posted on August 9, 2001 07:27:37 PM new
Can you believe that some Republican leaders in the House as well as the Senate Republican leader, Trent Lott of Mississippi, were opposed, as was
Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's top political adviser. Mr. Rove has argued that opposing funding would help Mr. Bushattract Roman Catholic Democrats in 2004.
posted on August 9, 2001 07:35:21 PM new
As practically no republicans here have been able to come up with an instances of Dumbya doing anything right, I'll try to help out.
For the past 25 years, with Bush Sr the only possible exception, one requirement to win the presidency has been to run against Washington (even when relying on Washington for the win). Clinton and Reagan each became 2 termers in that period with the extraordinary talent to do so twice. Bush Jr. has been running for 2004 for about 9 months now and shows a full understanding of this in badmouthing Washington at every opportunity. He is even extending it to running away from the whole east coast by moving his vacation from the family's Connecticutt tradition to his Texas ranch. Bush policies further this by giving us policies likely to deepen frustration with the federal government. e.g. Concerned about the quality of education? Let's have federally mandated standard tests. Concerned about fiscal discipline? Let's bring back deficit spending. Foreign policy? Let's offend country after country...
He's not totally stupid.
McCain? Not much chance, he's had a long carreer in the Senate.
posted on August 9, 2001 08:34:42 PM new
You guys are too much. You bash Bush, say he hasn't done anything... now he has, at least Helen agrees is somewhat good, but you have to keep picking away at it..
Of course the Republicans are going to fight this. But who controls the Senate?
This is no debate. Theres only one side, and its: Republicans are evil, Bush is Satan, and the Democrats and Independents are all thats left to save us..
nothing at all is going to make you happy, if Bush did everything you think you want, you still would not be happy.
posted on August 9, 2001 08:55:14 PM newI done told ya and told ya, but ya wouldn't listen!
Reiteration:
NearTheSea...please do not hold your breath!
I know the air quality hasn't been good for sometime, especially on the RT but remember
when it come to Bush we must not expect capitulation from the hard liners....or the one liners either! (giggle!)
posted on August 9, 2001 10:24:36 PM new
Hi chococake! Watch out! The republicans on AW are venting their spleens in this thread and you might get splashed!
I watched the speech tonight. I will say that whoever is running the presidency has finally realized that they can't go around dictating what's what to everyone and are now doing what republicans hate the most -- compromising on the issue.
I think that the solution was a brilliant one. I felt that the point the speechwriter made that the science is not far along enough to justify the means for full federally-funded research. It gave the go-ahead to some research and kept the moral issues right where they belonged. I like the idea of the over-sight board and will have to keep tabs on it to see, as some conservative christain detractors on TV noted, it's the camel's nose sticking into the tent and we do need to keep informed on developments to prevent the unthinkable.
I wasn't too suprized that Bush was allowing some funding to be done, as today on Wallstreet there was a Gold Rush that certiain peolle wer hurridly buying up stock in select genetics comapnies. I figured that someone decided to make some bucks and spilled the beans prematurely to some close associates. That was the tip-off.
Bush look well rested, but very nervous -- almost like Beginner's Parkinson's. I enjoyed seeing the reflection of the teleprompter in the iris' of his eyes, so I could see him reading what he evidently had rehearsed quite a bit. I think he did well and if he ever gets any confidence in himself, he may make a fine political speaker afterall.
After viewing the speech, I think that the short-speecg is a good approach. in twelve minutes, Bush managed to beat around the ... bush (no pun intended) a lot, but managed to have more real content in that time than many political speeches I have endured over the decades.
At any rate, it is a good sign when this adminstration starts to decide to act in a presidential way, a most political way of reaching a good compromise.
posted on August 9, 2001 11:53:48 PM newOMG!!!!!!!Borillar You have just come dangerously close to actually tippin the hat to this President! Good golly man you must be running a high fever. And I have fallen out of my chair!
I've got a question though.
Your comment:
I felt that the point the speechwriter made that the science is not far along enough to justify the means for full federally-funded research. It gave the go-ahead to some research and kept the moral issues right where they belonged.
I'm curious as to why you felt compelled to give credit for Bush's logic to the "speechwriter" of all people? From all accounts this is a subject that Bush has spent an enormous amount of time, thought and energy on - so while the speechwriter might have helped in composing the speech... the decisions that were made obviously belonged to GW.
If you follow the Bush Presidency you'll see that not only has he always believed in getting to the point with his speeches but he has quite a reputation as a man who is "comfortable in his own skin." Meaning, he's about as confident as you'll find - although I agree that he doesn't project that confidence over the television very well.
Also, if you look closely at the recent decisions coming out of the White House you may be impressed by how much Bush has shown he is willing to compromise. Maybe not as much as he should but at least as much or more than any other president ever has.
All in all, I'm going to sleep well tonight knowing that you actually made a lengthy post in which you never once called the Repubicans demonic or whatever. I guess I'm just a good influence on you after all, huh?
posted on August 10, 2001 06:44:28 AM new
Bringing up the rear, as usual. But, I didn't feel well last night, and was in no mood to address a remark I read.
While off-topic (sorry, Borillar), this thread went off-topic way back when, so....
Toke,
Many of the best posters are gone...
I would bet my best poster's list would differ from yours.
You wouldn't be pining for the good old days on the EO, would you?
Now there was a board where differing opinions were welcomed.
No triads there.
No pot stirrers, either.
I still think this is the most well-rounded board in the OAI.
"I still think this is the most well-rounded board in the OAI."
Although I haven't been here as long as many posters here, I have seen all of the other OAI boards and I agree that this one is so superior that all of the others really pale in comparison.
Yesterday, I think that there were a few cases of heat stroke. ROTFLOL
I just heard something funny about cats...
I remember that you have one...
If you are feeling powerful just try ordering a cat around. LoL!
posted on August 10, 2001 08:37:20 AM new
Femme...
Actually, I did prefer the EO before it was split. I thought it was more diverse and interesting in the past. There seems to be little crossover of posters between the boards anymore, and I think both the EO and the RT suffer for it.
I'll bet our lists of favorite posters would be startlingly similar...with an obvious exception or two.
Though I don't do much posting, I still hang out here, so it seems rather clear that it's my board of choice, as well.
BTW...if I keep disappearing mysteriously, it's because I'm continually losing my connection. The Broadband service tech won't be here until the 18th.
posted on August 10, 2001 08:52:31 AM new
I agree, toke, that it's disappointing that there is so little crossover between RT and EO. However, I remember the time to which femme alludes. I discovered this board in July of 1999. I read briefly then and didn't return until September of that year. I followed the discussions(?) in EO with my jaw hanging open in disbelief. Frankly, I didn't join AW until the "problems" went away. I like a good argument, but there was so much elementary school name-calling then. Not that there isn't some now also.
[ edited by saabsister on Aug 10, 2001 09:12 AM ]
posted on August 10, 2001 08:57:25 AM new
Some of the "best posters" are gone, but there are new "best posters" showing up everyday. Face it...if those who cause controversy and high blood pressure left, things would be dull indeed. RT has changed and will continue to do so, and its all due to the posters who call this place "home" from all other boards.
posted on August 10, 2001 09:14:59 AM new
saabsister...
Seems more venomous to me now...maybe that's just an illusion, due to the fact there are so few posters on the RT? Maybe.
hepburn...
True...controversy makes it interesting, but I don't see a need for the sheer nastiness that bubbles up more and more frequently lately. I don't doubt it's here to stay...there's probably similar sludge on every board. It just gets to me from time to time...not often. Usually I remember it is just a chatboard, and of little importance in the lives of most of us.
posted on August 10, 2001 09:34:08 AM new
Welcome! Before you begin posting in our message center, please take some time to review the Community Guidelines so that you are aware of what is and is not allowed in the message center. Have fun, and please post responsibly!
Has that welcome been up there for a while, I don't remember noticing it before...but then I am usually soooo busy working on my finesse that I don't notice the peripheral BS (Boy Scouts)!!
posted on August 10, 2001 10:35:22 AM newWelcome! Before you begin posting in our message center, please take some time to review the Community Guidelines so that you are aware of what is and is not allowed in the message center as well as WHO is allowed to say what to whom. Have fun, and please post responsibly!
posted on August 10, 2001 11:32:25 AM new"I'm curious as to why you felt compelled to give credit for Bush's logic to the "speechwriter" of all people? From all accounts this is a subject that Bush has spent an enormous amount of time, thought and energy on - so while the speechwriter might have helped in composing the speech... the decisions that were made obviously belonged to GW."
"I'm curious as to why you felt compelled to give credit for Bush's logic to the "speechwriter" of all people?"
I'll try to answer this for you, mybidness, but it'll like as not sound like I'm bashing Bush some more.
First, people who have met President Bush while he was governor have confirmed what everyone talks about him -- he has a much lower intellect and ability to think than the average person does. Now, the GOP is not so stupid as to actually put this country into the hands of someone with a low intelligence. That they made Dick Cheney Vice-President was done to bolster the presidential ticket, but it has become clear that his health precludes him from taking an active role in running this country. So who's running this country? I cannot say for sure and I really am not that curious enough to find out -- all I know is that whoever is running this country was not voted for by anyone. Therefore, I picked the speechwriter, because that's just as good a guess on my part as anyone else's in America.
"From all accounts this is a subject that Bush has spent an enormous amount of time, thought and energy on"
Yes, I heard him say that too and others also said so afterwards. I have no doubt that they spent several days at the ranch there having him sit there in that chair doing mock speeches, going over and over it again until Bush could do it with enough ease that they went with it. That's what I thought that they were referring to.
"the decisions that were made obviously belonged to GW."
I can tell you that if this decision falls flat on its face, Dubya really will get the credit. Like it or not, Bush is where the buck is going to stop and either he'll be a symbol to promote the party or he'll be used as a scapegoat when things go badly enough. Given his low IQ and as explained above, I seriously doubt that George had any part to play in decision-making.
So, my hat went off to whomever is running this country for realizing that they can't dictate to America and the rest of the world what their agenda is going to be. Now, if only the more reactionary elements in Congress would do the same thing, the People's Business might get going again after seven long years.
sp.
[ edited by Borillar on Aug 10, 2001 11:36 AM ]
posted on August 10, 2001 12:09:40 PM newFirst, people who have met President Bush while he was governor have confirmed what everyone talks about him -- he has a much lower intellect and ability to think than the average person does
Um, Borillar, can you please provide some links to back up that statement?
They actually have confirmed that he has a lower intellect and ability to think than the average person
I never heard that before. Sure, I've heard all the jokes about pronouncing etc, but a lower intellect and ability to think than the average person? BTW what is the intellect of the average person, and who are these average persons?
posted on August 10, 2001 01:27:14 PM new
Hi Toke,
8 days can be an eternity in the cyber world.
It must be frustrating.
I would like to think our lists would be similar. Since we are adults, we can agree to disagree on a few.
As for posters stirring the pot...
That can be viewed as a negative or a positive. Most of the time I view it as a positive.
It has lead to some very interesting and thought-provoking discussions. I am in awe at the level of intelligence on this board. I find it very stimulating.
I liken it to when I was playing tennis. I always preferred playing against people much better than I, especially men, because it made me a better player.
posted on August 10, 2001 01:55:05 PM new
Ah Femme, speaking of tennis, I played a little in high school (well alot actually) and I considered myself pretty good. It wasn't until college, that I played with a different set of people that I realized that I wasn't so good, even on a recreational level. In high school, I was the big fish in the small pond. In college, I was shark bait. Ha ha! As long as we're drawing chat board metaphors.
posted on August 10, 2001 02:50:19 PM new
Oh, you're just so right, NearTheSea! Bush is really a genius and is in full control of the White House and here's the link to prove it: Bush finds Error In Fermilab Calculations
posted on August 10, 2001 05:48:03 PM new
I can't believe I'm back on...briefly, I'm sure.
Femme...
If you're calling the posting of controversial subjects "stirring the pot" - I'm all for it. I don't mind controversy, in fact I like it. Makes for interesting exchanges, and it's definitely made me think about things I hadn't considered for years. Many years... It's often the only thing that can inspire this lazy woman to post... Heaven knows it's boring when everyone agrees.
I DO mind the constant stirring of the pot by any poster who rarely condescends to give an opinion of their own. They never have to defend a position...never having expressed one. They merely post to bait others into statements of personal belief or opinion so that they may then ridicule them... A perverse form of personal aggrandizement/entertainment, IMO.
No. I don't like that breed of chef. I am not entertained or impressed...I simply find it cruel.
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