posted on September 13, 2001 10:05:45 AM new
Traditionally our country has been one where the citizens commented on and critized their government and political leaders...especially in times of crisis.
To stifle the American citizen and keep him from commenting on current events is the one thing that WILL kill morale.
The posters here are just carrying on a 200+ year tradition...including those who are questioning others patriotism.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:06:08 AM new
I do have two legit questions...has nothing to do with bashing...:
Where in the dickens is Dick Cheney? Not a peep, not a word, not a photo shot since the beginning (of course, I have not yet watched the news today).
The scond is more of a remark: I am not understanding why Ari waited till YESTERDAY to announce (without proof, just conjecture)
that Mr. bush/Airforce one and the White House were the actual targets, NOT the Pantagon? Why wait 2 days to claim a supposed attack on the President? It seems to me this should have been the VERY FIRST STATEMENT...
So, the way I translate this "late arrival" is: Bush has lost a lot of credibility; people are realizing that he is not quite as strong as they wish he were...So, his cabinet is playing on the American People's sympathy to boost Bush's popularity during this crisis, so that we can all stand united and give him free reign as to the spending necessary to get us into a war.....
As I said, this is just an observation. Dont get your nickers all in a twist because I am expressing what many are thinking.
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posted on September 13, 2001 10:07:21 AM new
Pocono, I think they pretty much confirmed that this was 2 years or so in planning, the flight schools etc. These guys have been living amongst us for awhile.
I still believe that, though it could have been this Bin Lodam's money, that Hussien is involved. Media pretty much doesn't touch anything about Iraq on the news at all.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:08:01 AM new
Instead of rushing off to bomb the hell out of a country for harboring a terrorist, one might want to think about HOW this was all pulled off, and WHO was behind it. Nobody thought one of our own could do such a thing, and we were proven wrong once before. SOmeone may have teamed up with the terrorists, but the PLANS may have came from our own back door.
edited to add MAY HAVE.
[ edited by hepburn on Sep 13, 2001 10:09 AM ]
posted on September 13, 2001 10:17:25 AM new
Shosh I think that the internal intelligence is what kept Bush 'hidden' but within contact to all that he needed to be. I don't think that they will announce the actual intelligence breifings to the public that fast, or in the near future.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:20:41 AM new
krs, sometimes we agree and sometimes we disagree. but that remark about Cheney... is this the time to be making fun of him?
posted on September 13, 2001 10:21:08 AM new
Thanx, NearTheSea...I had to stop watching TV, after yesterday's morning viewing, because it is just too over-whelming for me. I truly was fearful that perhaps he had suffered another heart attack and the White House would not release the info. I wish no one harm! Might not care for them, but that's a far cry from wishing them harm. I also thought he was deep-sixed, just in case something should happen to the President...
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posted on September 13, 2001 10:22:05 AM new
Well, the ARTICLE said that someone had the codes, but that isn't what Ari said. Drudge is about like Rush.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:28:19 AM new
I just got this in an email, from someone who posts here, but doesnt wish to anymore at this time. I thought it fit:
the sum of all Americans IS MORE than one President, or a political party. And whatever happens, however this is dealt with (and it must be!) I need to put my COUNTRY before petty political differences.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:30:10 AM newYou make me sick today.
Take a pill.
All I did was comment on a story broadcast on network news around 3:10 A.M. EST by NBC anchorman Forrest Sawyer. You want to ream someone? Find the source of the leak. That's who put the information out there. I merely reacted to it.
Who died and made you censor, inside? I guess the "attack on freedom" was a complete success because in the wake of this tragedy you and others would deny other Americans their most basic right -- free speech.
I happen to agree 100% with donny. Bush's absence from the public eye is disturbing. Rudy Guiliani has been conducting himself in a manner that's far more presidential -- and human -- than our President is exhibiting. And guess what? Guiliani manages to do it without a teleprompter.
What worries me even more is that President Bush is going to use this attack as a means to bolster his sagging popularity. He's got his war now. A chance to save his Presidency. I dread how many more people will have to die to ensure his reelection.
And if you have been reading all the threads of the last months as you claim, inside, you would know that I abhor political threads and for the most part have abstained from participating in them.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:32:24 AM new
Shosh - Just to answer one of your questions. The URL info. Irene posted was on Fox News 9-11.
A whitehouse spokesman (I saw his face, but didn't recognize him) was saying that they had become aware that classified information had been breached. When asked how this could have happen, he answered that since the cold war had ended, there hasn't been the same caution/security used in regards to certain classifed information. He promised this would change. When questions were asked of him, by the press, he stated that it appeared that this information had been passed along/around, as it didn't have a high enough security level.
Donny - I agree with inside, that you don't seem to be listening to the most current news. It was announced after the President did return to the White House after our Secret Service gave clearence that all was okay for him to do so. The news reported that he was insisting he return to the Capitol, but since the news (at that time) was these terrorists had targeted the White House, and Air Force One, the SS wouldn't allow it. So these issues have been discussed on national TV, you've just missed them.
Also, the first and second day President Bush, V-Pres. Chaney and Colin Powel have been on the phone call the world leaders, gaining their support for the US. Again, it's been on the news. And they have gained support for all world leaders with the exception of one.
Even Sen. Dashal is presenting a unified appearance when the press interviews him. What has happened to our country, did not happen only to democrats nor republicans....it happened to our country.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:32:31 AM new
Everyone..
Stop with the insults immediately. Observe the CG's or risk putting your posting privileges in jeopardy. Otherwise, you risk suspension and this thread will have to be locked.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:33:04 AM new
And this:
AW has become a battle ground and the mentality has become "If you're not for us, you're agin us" for many posters. Alliances are made similar to the old "wolfpack" mentality that discourages agreement or disagreement on opinions based solely upon the poster, INSTEAD PF the viewpoint offered.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:34:14 AM new
Spaz,
Your statement, "What worries me even more is that President Bush is going to use this attack as a means to bolster his sagging popularity. He's got his war now. A chance to save his Presidency. I dread how many more people will have to die to ensure his reelection. " says it all about your politcal agenda. You started this thread for one reason. I repeat, You make me sick.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:37:04 AM new
And once more:
I have no doubt that those terrorists believe that they can make us fear them if they strike at our wealth, our materialistic lifestyles. What they do not know, (but will find out) is that what we Americans value MOST is our freedoms, to speak freely, worship freely, travel freely, vote freely. It's our cornerstone, our rock, and they will find out that Americans will protect those freedoms at all costs. I know I will.Now is the time we need to draw together, regardless of our political opinions or the varying ways that each of us believe that our country must deal with this. No matter what, we need to stand together, as Americans, not democrats, or republicans, or whatever other parties we identify with. I didn't vote for Bush. I don't think he was rightfully elected. But he's all we have. And the sum of all Americans IS MORE than one President, or a political party
Im done. But what was said by this person is so right on.
[ edited by hepburn on Sep 13, 2001 10:38 AM ]
posted on September 13, 2001 10:39:26 AM new
inside,
My agenda is the survival of this nation. What greater show of concern is there than to evaluate the capabilities and motives of the man in charge of it?
posted on September 13, 2001 10:41:41 AM new
inside..
Your posts are insulting and violate the Community Guidelines. You continue to post insults after my warning to "everyone." Consider this a warning to cease and desist immediately or risk putting your posting privileges in jeopardy.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:42:44 AM new
Im stating what someone else said and said very well. It isnt against the rules and I havent posted headers nor the name of the person. If it is, then I will no longer post here either.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:43:05 AM new
It's hard to understand why some people here are saying others are Bush Bashing. How can we talk about Bush and how we think he's handling things? Some think he's doing OK, some don't. Isn't it OK to voice your opinion no matter which side of the fence you're on? Yes, everyone is in this together but we might all have different views.....so what?
inside - I've never heard Shosh say she wish Bush would die unless she was being facetious. Some posts are actually meant to lighten our thoughts but are taken out of context. I hope you can see that.
I agree with what donny said also, but that doesn't mean I hate Bush.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:43:27 AM newStrange, I remember several times when you wished Bush was dead....
Wishing someone would just disappear, move far, far away, is a far cry from wishing them dead...
Linda Thanks for the explanation. I need to resume watching a little news; it's just that my heart is not into it at the moment....
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[ edited by shoshanah on Sep 13, 2001 10:45 AM ]
posted on September 13, 2001 10:43:34 AM new
This is ridiculous. It's okay to insult and ridicule other posters during this crisis, but not question anything the President does? If we don't stand blindly behind the administration, somehow that means we don't love our country? If people don't grieve the same as you do, they're somehow unpatriotic?
That's a load of bull.
I do question the fact that virtually every member of this administation has held a news conference except for the one that's in charge. It has nothing whatsoever to do with whether I like President Bush or not, it's my right as an American to do so. I also question why this administration feels it's more important to "showcase" President Bush than to have him out front speaking directly to the American people trying to calm their fears and answer their questions.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:45:52 AM new
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, Hepburn, just trying to keep you from being moderated. It is against the rules. The precedent was when somebody tried proxy-posting messages from a certain permanently suspended member a couple years ago.
posted on September 13, 2001 10:48:44 AM new
I know you arent, Spaz. This person isnt suspended. They just choose not to post right now, and states why in the email. I chose to share this persons views because I agree with them. I also agree that people are fearful, disgusted, angry and overwhelmed and all those feelings come out in different ways. Im sure everyone is taking that into consideration, as have I.
edited to add that i dont mind nor care if I get moderated. In the large scheme of things lately, this is piddly stuff.
[ edited by hepburn on Sep 13, 2001 10:50 AM ]
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