posted on September 13, 2001 12:45:11 PM new
I'm surprised that no one has considered the security aspect of the President's appearances during this situation.
Think about it, people. He's the President, the symbol of leadership in this country. Don't you realize that security precautions would be jacked to the highest level during a crisis? If anything, the man should be stashed in a bunker in Colorado, safely away from any potential harm, and not bouncing about out in public.
Didn't any of you notice the increased security levels around him when he visited the Pentagon? The tom and I did. We even commented that his SS people were probably having fits about him being there.
CNN reported that the President went against the advice of his Secret Service people, who wanted him to stay out of sight from the first instant, but the President felt he needed to be visible. I'm no fan of the man but I can respect his desire to show the people that he's not hiding. And yeah, he's not the world's greatest communicator but I saw his expression when he saw the destruction at the Pentagon. That said more to me than any trite or prescripted words could ever say.
Yeah, Roosevelt was out in public the day after Pearl Harbor. So what? The man also rode around in an open convertible during parades and such without fear of having his head blown off from a shooter in a tower. Security concerns at that time were nowhere near the level they are now-security concerns that have grown because of things that happened to our past presidents.
I wonder how any of you who are criticizing the man would do if you were in his place, confronted with a horrific event and the knowledge that it happened on your watch?
As an aside-we were in the Netherlands when a plane crashed into an apartment building in Amsterdam. Queen Beatrix arrived-when it was safe-and stood there, her hand over her mouth and an expression of utter horror on her face as she surveyed the wreckage. Her expression said it all.
Sometimes, words don't have to be said to get a message across.
posted on September 13, 2001 12:46:47 PM newOn this day, the family's bickering is put on hold. As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans we will rise in defense of all that we cherish. ...
Thanks, Toke, for this nice quote.
It is nice to see that many are still listening to their V.O.R (Voice Of Reason)...And Hi to you, lovely person...
posted on September 13, 2001 12:52:10 PM new
Shosh...
That quote came from the Leonard Pitts editorial that a couple of people have posted. It does kind of say it all, in just a few words. And you know how I feel about brevity...
posted on September 13, 2001 12:58:40 PM new
If I knew the character of the person "Clinton-bashing", it wouldn't bother me at all because I would know how they meant it. Just like when my husband and I argue and he tells me he could wring my neck, etc.
I don't hate Bush eyeguy6. I just don't think he's President material. I try to have an open mind and am hoping he will make the right decisions for everyone on this planet. He worried me before this happened if that helps explain my position.
Maybe you too could try looking at posters threads with a bit more positiveness than assuming the worst.
posted on September 13, 2001 12:58:55 PM new
As for the original question, if this operation was in the planning for as long as has been estimated by some, then it started on Clinton's watch.
As for Clinton knowing binLaden planned something/threatened something, heck. bin Laden is always planning/threatening something. Is the entire government supposed to go to threatcon Delta every time the guy spouts off another threat?
What should bother people more than who knew what when or try to finger the blame on one's disliked President, is the state of the intelligence gathering community in our country. It's a well-known fact amongst the intelligence community that our gov't has relied more and more on techie info-gathering than on good old fashioned human spying(It's cheaper to use machines than humans, yanno) and budget cuts have forced the agencies to cut the number of operatives they do have. Our country relies more and more on information passed on from other countries' intelligence agencies to back up what the machines tell them. What happens if the information is deliberately misleading?
posted on September 13, 2001 12:59:45 PM newShadowKitty....Where have you been all this time! Seems I have not seen you in ages!....Hope all is well with you....
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posted on September 13, 2001 01:06:27 PM new
The fact that we're in disagreement about Bush's reaction is proof in itself that he's not doing a good job. An effective President would unite people at a time like this.
posted on September 13, 2001 01:07:05 PM new
I heard some pundit or other discussing the need for, and lack of, "human" intelligence, last night on cable. He said we gave it up because we wanted to "rise above" the dirty necessities involved with placing operatives in terrorist cells. He said those operatives were always tested by the terrorist leaders, by requiring them to kill someone...to prove themselves. We just lacked the stomach for that, he said. Sounded like a bad novel...don't know about the truth of it.
posted on September 13, 2001 01:09:09 PM newIt might help if every single criticism of Bush wasn't automatially defined to be "bashing".
And, gaffan, it might help if every post you do isnt condescending and looking down upon those you think are spewing hogwash. Lets see...I think I coined this a long time ago and it fits here, too:
posted on September 13, 2001 01:09:58 PM new
I cannot help but feel uneasy about something said yesterday about some device which cost billions, and was to intercept [phone] messages between terrorist or any potential attackers. Unfortunatley, the system appears to be based on the use of some key words...as if the terrorist were really gonna say "Hi, Bin...This is terrorist No. 2 calling from AA Flight 93..."
I wish the person interviewed had chosen a better answer than "Well, it did not work this time"...
Is America supposed to wait and pray that may-be, just maybe, it WILL work next time????
No matter who ordered this sensitive system to be built, it seems rather incomplete...
ShadowKitty...My bad...I don't look at all the threads... I'm good, thanks...
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posted on September 13, 2001 01:12:08 PM newSpaz Can you name me one leader that we've all agreed with? I think that's an extremely unrealistic expectation on your part. Even God himself hasn't accomplished that. LOL
posted on September 13, 2001 01:18:54 PM new
kraftdinner, if you would take the time out from trying to assume what you think others are saying, maybe you yourself could practice what youre preaching to everyone else. Since when were you regulated "the balancer" between posters? State your opinion, but stop trying to foister it off on others.
posted on September 13, 2001 01:21:00 PM newLindaK, maybe you're right. I do try and see what's written between the lines of what somebody posts and might come up with a totally different assumption than others. So what? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I have seen Shosh, krs, spaz, hjw and other posters slammed for their comments being taken out of context and have almost lost my cool over it, but realize we are all entitled to read what we want out of other posts.
So which is it? You say one thing, then preach another.
posted on September 13, 2001 01:31:16 PM new
kraftdinner - This is not the thread I was referring to. I remember the thread I was speaking about had something to do with the President's motorcade.
But I did find this one. The thread title is Assassination Attemp on Bush? ..and even though the smilies are there....so are the words. Note 10:44:25 AM "Oh! How very sad. I am in tears. hmm, I mean "
Then at 6:45:58 PM "posted on February 7, 2001 06:45:58 PM
Well, one thing for sure: one group of Government Employees are gonna be very, very busy keeping dumbo safe... Give them a raise; they are gonna need it to cover their overtime...
Too bad about the man getting shot in the leg...
Oh! Well! Someone will succeed...After all, there is still 4 years to go...
Death-threat from England, hey??? Class act Did they have to point out E-N-G-L-A-N-D on the map for dumbo?
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I know Shosh has done much to help other ebay users. I've seem her goodness. I'm just saying that because you believe she was joking, both in this thread and the other I refer to, doesn't mean it wasn't said.
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posted on September 13, 2001 01:32:46 PM new
Well, time out for me...
TTFN
Oh! I cannot run off on lnda...Heavens no! That would seem cowardly...Sorry linda, I did not see your post...
everyone gather round. Linda is bringing up the facts...Let my trial begin.... Unfortunately, it will have to begin without me...Enjoy your shosh-bashing, linda...God bless your kind heart...Let me know when my execution day is set for, will ya? I want to bring myself flowers... Gosh Shosh!
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posted on September 13, 2001 01:36:50 PM new
Like I said somewhere in this long a$$ed thread...people says things in the heat of the moment they might not necessarily mean. Maybe this one was hers.
posted on September 13, 2001 01:41:18 PM new
hepburn, what are you talking about? If you are talking about Shosh, I know her character and do know what she means when she makes "adverse" statements.
When my dad died last year and I was wondering how to deal with the grief, krs simply stated "get on with your life". People thought he was being harsh, but I knew what he really meant.
As far as assuming things, that's what we all do when we read others posts. Other than that, I haven't a clue what you're getting at.
posted on September 13, 2001 01:47:25 PM new
What Im getting at is your constant interference of assuming what someone says, to mean what YOU perceive it to mean. In short, butting in and shoving it down throats how wrong someone might be because YOU are right. Then when someone proves you wrong, you "so what". And no, I wasnt talking about Shosh. I was talking about you, and your insistance of what YOU perceive. Now, do you understand that? If not, "so what".
posted on September 13, 2001 01:49:27 PM new
Maybe she did krs. "so what". It fit, didnt it? If you would bother to go do a search on pot,kettle, black, you would see just who it came from. Hepburn.
posted on September 13, 2001 01:51:58 PM new
I also said glass, houses, rock. Soon as I find the thread, I will post it here. Doesnt matter anyway, does it? Maybe to you.
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