RainyBear
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posted on September 14, 2001 11:32:17 AM new
~~*~~ extracting self trom thread before becoming totally pissed off.... ~~*~~
feminists?!?!?!?
[ edited by RainyBear on Sep 14, 2001 11:33 AM ]
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hjw
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posted on September 14, 2001 11:42:34 AM new
Jt
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"America as a nation of people has cast God aside and justifies corruption and evil. He will grow weary of our selfish disobedience."
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So you agree with Jerry Falwell? How would you define selfish disobedience? That is, of the magnitude that would cause your God to lose patience and justify terrorism.
Helen
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REAMOND
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posted on September 14, 2001 11:43:14 AM new
The religious zealotry of Robertson and Falwell is little different than the nexus of what we have declared war on.
I hope I am not being to far afield when I say that the same religious zealots that inspire terrorists to fly planes into buildings offer little difference from Falwell and Robertson who inspire people to kill homosexuals, force their religious views on the rest of society like the Taliban and bomb abortion clinics.
These religious factions are breeding hatred and violence around the world.
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exexec
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posted on September 14, 2001 12:02:41 PM new
Thank you for the telephone number REAMOND. I urge all my fellow AW posters to pick up the phone RIGHT NOW and let them know of your disgust and outrage. If you have ever supported this so called ministry financially, make sure that you let them know that you will never again support them financially! With both of these "creatures"....it's all about money!
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RainyBear
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posted on September 14, 2001 12:12:07 PM new
Ugh, why can I not stay away from these threads??
The presence of religion causes far more violence and division in our world than the absence of religion. Varying versions of God just give people something huge to argue about. A moral system based on common decency, not varying "edicts of God/Allah/etc" would be far less divisive.
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JaneInMa
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posted on September 14, 2001 12:34:23 PM new
I am an aethist because of people like this. Religion has caused more death and destruction than anything on earth.
Jews, catholics, protestants muslims all have suffered death and wars to an extent that should turn a decent person's stomach.
If you say you kill for God (Allah or whoever) you take away your own personal responsibility and humanity. How can that ever be right? Stand up and take responsibility for what you do and do not hide behind a fictitious being.
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hjw
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posted on September 14, 2001 12:35:26 PM new
RainyBear
AMEN!
Helen
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captainkirk
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posted on September 14, 2001 12:46:13 PM new
I wonder how God missed, say, the countries in Europe that are even more full of "feminists, abortionists, etc"? One might think the countries where abortion, prostituion, pornography, etc., is legal/encouraged would have been better targets for his anger.
And I can't imagine the awful things the people must have done in the middle ages when the Black Death killed a thousand times more people - including mostly the faithful, since most of the population there were faithful, church-attending christians.
The sad thing is that, no doubt, the people who support this kind of nonsense have some sort of "logical" reason why all this makes perfect sense. 
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REAMOND
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posted on September 14, 2001 12:52:43 PM new
If these two were true leaders, they would have offered messages of hope and patriotism.
Instead they have used it for their own self serving purposes.
Anybody sending money to these a**holes are crud.
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labrat4gmos
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posted on September 14, 2001 01:14:55 PM new
1-800-759-0700 -----The 700 Club.
I will put that number up on this page. Thanks Reamond! I called in.
I went to church services at noon and found our congregation is missing 2 friends & a brother-in-law in the towers and two families have lost a mother and a son in the planes aimed at the Pentagon and a tower.
I came home and found that I was one who caused it...both by Falwell and I guess another poster too! I must "justify corruption and evil" because I believe women have the right to choose. I might not chose it for myself, but unlike Ashcroft I do not believe a female should have to mother a fetus from her father, family friend (both terms used loosely here)or any other male who decides he feels the need to feel powerful!
I am also a feminist...I have said before there are those who want to get back to the good ole days, the ones at the very beginning of our new country. Where all black people, Indians and women were considered servants. Where if you danced for joy on Sunday you were put in the pillory, where if you were a teenage girl you may be burned as a witch and where if you didn't give your wife to your white master you were killed.
Yes, I am guilty.
I have to go, because my keyboard can't take much more pounding.
Edited to make the number clearer. PLEASE CALL!!!! LabRat4gmos
[ edited by labrat4gmos on Sep 14, 2001 01:19 PM ]
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dbsnd
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posted on September 14, 2001 01:58:09 PM new
ddicffe,
I agree with you! Pat Robertson has no crediblity with whatever he says. He's earned that!! I know and am personal friends with so many who are very credible regarding their Christian faith and they are never acknowledged because they don't flaunt their lifestyles. All Robertson accomplished when he opened his fat mouth was to give all the Christianity bashers another chance to swing their bats. Most of these people don't realize or understand these horrible are addressed in the Bible. There are severe forewarnings in that book all of us would do well to heed.
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hjw
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posted on September 14, 2001 02:14:50 PM new
dbsnd
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"There are severe forewarnings in that book all of us would do well to heed."
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Why?
Helen
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joice
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posted on September 14, 2001 02:20:00 PM new
Hello Everyone,
There are more belief systems than there are posters at AW and although disagreements will abound, I ask that you all post with sensitivity to the beliefs of others.
Joice
[email protected]
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dbsnd
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posted on September 14, 2001 02:59:32 PM new
Helen,
My comment was in reference to what is referred to as the "end times". Forget Nostradamus! He's a lightweight. When a book has the age and accuracy the bible has concerning the foretelling of events, I don't know about you, but I think that is something important to pay attention to. The bible is a credible referrence.
Speaking of credible and lack thereof, I read that article or like article with both Falwell and Robertson comments. One very important thing both these guys failed to mention was the failure of the Christian Church and it's leadership. The Church in America has let it's country down. All these things they spoke about are here because the church has not offered anything better. I hate to admit that, but it's the truth. And being a believer in Jesus Christ I have to share part of that failure in responsibility. On a positive note, many local churches here in the San Diego area have opened their doors today in support of the day of prayer.
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RainyBear
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posted on September 14, 2001 03:05:40 PM new
accuracy the bible has concerning the foretelling of events
Hi dbsnd, can you tell me which events the Bible has foretold? I'm sure that's something I should already know, but I don't and I'm curious. Thanks in advance!
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hjw
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posted on September 14, 2001 03:17:14 PM new
dbsnd
Thank you for your answer and I sincerely hope that my question did not offend you.
Helen
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jt-2007
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posted on September 14, 2001 03:40:11 PM new
Rainy, there are various web sites that address this issue with varying depth.
Here is an easily understandable one that brushes many topics:
http://www.lamblion.com/prophecy/signs/Signs-01.html
And things to look for to come:
http://www.lamblion.com/prophecy/signs/Signs-02.html
There is a site that is pretty much "the AW" of Christian prophecy. I don't think AW will allow me to post a link to the forums. There are currently 143 members and 328 guests logged in. Most users ever logged in at once was 569 on 09-13-2001.
They are all there because they are +ready for the +rapture and to discuss the signs that are evident. I sure wish that I could post a link...but maybe you will find it on your own.
T
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figmente
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posted on September 14, 2001 03:49:35 PM new
Those are as nonsensical as the Nostradamus bulls**t.
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gravid
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posted on September 14, 2001 04:19:03 PM new
Kind of reminds me of when I was in school and the teachers tried to say we were responsible for what the whole class did even though we had no control over them.
Did not buy into it when I was 11 years old and I sure haven't changed my mind.
So he is responsible because he hasn't converted everybody! whoe whoe onto you Patty my boy!
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Antiquary
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posted on September 14, 2001 04:23:19 PM new
Last week I received a telephone call asking me to participate in a survey about the "Right to Work" question which will be presented for approval on this fall's state ballot. I usually participate in these surveys if I'm in the mood so I agreed and it seemed to follow the basic format for such surveys until we reached the final question. "Are you a born again christian?" I was speechless for a few moments and then asked what that information had to do with the "Right to Work" issue. The questioner was someone who was hired only to conduct the survey and didn't really know either.
I did answer though and since have been wondering what hit list I merited. LOL
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jt-2007
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posted on September 14, 2001 04:26:21 PM new
Well don't leave us hanging...what did you say?
T
I want to say "why the heck would they care"...but somehow it doesn't shock me.
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Antiquary
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posted on September 14, 2001 04:29:08 PM new
Yes, I'm a born again agnostic. 
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jt-2007
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posted on September 14, 2001 04:32:23 PM new
The faith of a mustard seed can move mountains.
T
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Antiquary
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posted on September 14, 2001 04:34:08 PM new
I'm a prairie dweller.
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RainyBear
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posted on September 14, 2001 04:46:25 PM new
Terri, thanks for the link.
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jt-2007
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posted on September 14, 2001 04:52:07 PM new
You are welcome. If you are really interested just keep reading and pray that God will give you understanding. It is a challenging subject.
T
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REAMOND
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posted on September 14, 2001 05:05:49 PM new
Yeah, just keep spirialing into your savior mythology, just like the terrorists are doing.
We can't win, their god sends them to paradise for killing us and according to our religion our god allows us to be killed because we don't worship correctly.
So instead of sending armed forces against the terrorists we should pray correctly.
Hell, all these years all these people have been going to war to protect our Nation, going to work, paying taxes, raising and educating kids, and all we needed to do was pray correctly.
Hogwash- all of it.
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Hjw
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posted on September 14, 2001 05:12:29 PM new
REAMOND
And you forgot all that "selfish disobediance" which causes their God to withold his protection.
Did I get that right, Terri?
Helen
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DoctorBeetle
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posted on September 14, 2001 05:45:04 PM new
It’s all too easy to take portions of any belief system out of context and misuse those portions to “prove” points that are insupportable by the main body and tenets of that system.
The overwhelmingly great majority of Muslims do not believe that they are called upon by God to commit terrorist acts and kill innocent people to glorify God. The great majority of Christians do not agree with the flawed theology espoused by Pat Robertson and his ilk. Jesus never asked anyone to kill in his name. Jesus never condoned intolerance.
Don’t paint all Christians with the same brush being used to tar Robertson. Rather than assume that his ideas on what God wants from us are valid (or universally held) find out for yourself if you are so inclined. The four Gospels of the New Testament are the best place to find out exactly what Christianity is supposed to mean.
It speaks for itself; you don’t need Robertson to interpret it for you. In it you will see that Christians are tasked with telling you the good news about the salvation offered by Jesus. But God gave you free will and you can choose as you wish.
Dr. Beetle
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MrsSantaClaus
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posted on September 14, 2001 05:57:11 PM new
My take on the majority of television evangelists:
I don't pray to a God that is short on cash.
Becky
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