posted on September 14, 2001 06:08:00 PM new
Some quotes from the Koran.
"They wish that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you may become alike. Take not, therefore, friends from among them, until they emigrate in the way of ALLAH. And if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and take no friend nor helper from among them;"
"4: 92. You will find others who desire to be secure from you and to be secure from their own people. Whenever they are made to revert to hostility, they fall headlong into it. Therefore, if they do not keep aloof from you nor offer you peace nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them, wherever you find them. Against these WE have given you clear authority."
Yeah, I'm sure we can act like policemen and go get the "bad guys".
posted on September 14, 2001 08:05:06 PM newhjw some notes on selfish disobedience and redemption/forgiveness:
Numbers 14:18
Yahweh is slow to anger, and abundant in loving kindness, forgiving iniquity and disobedience; and that will by no means clear [the guilty], visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation.
Proverbs 17:19
He who loves disobedience loves strife. One who builds a high gate seeks destruction
(End time prophecy)
Isaiah 24:20
The earth shall stagger like a drunken man, and shall sway back and forth like a hammock; and the disobedience of it shall be heavy on it, and it shall fall, and not rise again.
Micah 7:18
Who is a God like you, who pardons iniquity, And passes over the disobedience of the remnant of his heritage? He doesn't retain his anger forever, Because he delights in loving kindness.
Romans 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those whose sins weren't like Adam's disobedience, who is a foreshadowing of him who was to come.
Romans 11:32
For God has shut up all to disobedience, that he might have mercy on all.
Romans 5:19
For as through the one man's disobedience many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the one will many be made righteous.
Ephesians 2:2
in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, the spirit who now works in the children of disobedience;
Hebrews 2:2
For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense;
And now for His forgiveness:
Daniel 9:9
To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgiveness; for we have rebelled against him;
Ephesians 1:7
in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,
Psalms 130:7
Israel, hope in Yahweh, For with Yahweh there is loving kindness. With him is abundant redemption.
Luke 21:28
But when these things begin to happen, look up, and lift up your heads, because your redemption is near."
Romans 3:24
being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
Hebrews 9:12
nor yet through the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood, entered in once for all into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption.
Hebrews 9:15
For this reason he is the mediator of a new covenant, since a death has occurred for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, that those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Just a few items.
Nite all, and God bless.
Rick
edited fro the salutation
In the begining, God created the heavens and the earth.
[ edited by ddicffe on Sep 14, 2001 08:06 PM ]
posted on September 14, 2001 08:25:42 PM new
Methinks you have the verse wrong, amy. It goes more like this:
1:26: God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the sky, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Rick
In the begining, God created the heavens and the earth.
Your quote has some truth to it, but it should read. "People create gods for themselves in their own image." Many people would like to think that their opinion is God.
[ edited by outoftheblue on Sep 14, 2001 08:38 PM ]
posted on September 14, 2001 08:41:17 PM new
Hello Everyone,
You know this is one of those subjects that get very heated and with 2 threads going on religion, we will have a hard time keepin up and we will not tolerate any insults to fellow AW'ers.
posted on September 14, 2001 11:30:51 PM new
Ddicffe...I didn't mistakenly misquote it. Man made god (gods) in his image. And man uses the bible to prove whatever viewpoint/position it is he has...and any thing you want can be proved by quotations from the bible...including two or more diametrically opposed positions.
posted on September 15, 2001 01:37:31 AM new
It would be better if Bush counted on his own abilities instead. The voters who voted for him weren't expecting God to run the country, they expected Bush to do it
The terrorists counted on God and he obliged them. Bush may be on the wrong side of the fence and God won't help him.
posted on September 15, 2001 02:39:19 AM new
Maybe you should have voted for the other guy. That way God wouldn't have to take time out of her busy schedule to help someone who couldn't do the job he was elected to
posted on September 15, 2001 05:25:34 AM new
Did anyone see Pat Robertson doing his back-pedal thing on Fox news?
First he said Falwell had made the statements. Then, when read a quote that he made, he said it was taken out of context.
I remember when my partner told me that the bible says that when Satan appears, he will be pleasing to our psyches. (That's obvious paraphrasing.) And my first response was, "You mean like Pat Robertson?"
It was only a matter of time before he caused his own demise.
I know that not all Christians are like Robertson, nor do they follow his "teachings." My disrespect here is aimed ONLY at him.
posted on September 15, 2001 05:51:13 AM new
A resounding AMEN!!! to Sister Amy.
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I picked up the Washington Post yesterday on my way down to NC.
Last night my daughter and I read this Falwell/Robertson article. I had to keep putting the paper down after each paragraph. The steam coming out my ears was fogging up the apartment.
I see no difference between these 2 fanatics than the fanatical bin Laden and his followers. They both promote hate in the name of religion.
I'm an atheist and have more love in my heart and tolerance for others than any "religious" person I know. Common sense is my religion.
posted on September 15, 2001 04:36:01 PM new
Femme-
I don't know what the Washington Post said but ABC News said
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson said Tuesday's
terror attacks occurred because Americans have insulted God and lost the protection
of heaven.
"We have imagined ourselves invulnerable and have been consumed by the pursuit
of ... health, wealth, material pleasures and sexuality," Robertson wrote in a
three-page statement issued Thursday by his Christian Broadcasting Network.
I'm not a follower of Robertson but I can not see the hate everybody is talking about. I also do not understand how you can equate him with bin Laden.
In a kind of unrelated item, My wife told me today the Chinese Gov. decreed thursday;
Any web site originating in China publishing anti-American or pro terroist comments will be shut down permanently.If found, individuals will treated as terroists!
I glad we live in the U.S.A.
"It (terrorism) is happening because God Almighty is lifting his protection from us,"
said Robertson.
posted on September 15, 2001 06:07:53 PM new
Hey Dan-I am talking about SupraMKIV-
your niece here wants to know if she can borrow one of your Supras tonight
Tis true what he says, the Chinese gov't
will prosecute anyone saying anything anti American anti Bush or pro on the terrorism.
So, it is a great place, the America we do live in.
Supra, can you post a url to the page that Li reads on her computer please?
posted on September 15, 2001 06:54:36 PM new
Billy Grahamm was a class act the other day. I wonder why more christians don't embrace him as an example. On second thought, many might and we see their works instead of seeing their faces or hearing their voices.
[ edited by REAMOND on Sep 15, 2001 08:44 PM ]
posted on September 15, 2001 07:01:36 PM new
Billy Graham, I respect and like the best of all 'public' ministers. I don't think anyone could find anything bad to say about him, anywhere.
posted on September 15, 2001 07:39:08 PM new
I stopped watching these guys when Pastor Fred Price (in LA) said that he was "believing God for a yacht." I believe it is all designed to make the people send money to their network. My sister worked security for a Benny Hinn Prayer Meeting and she was amazed that he passed around the plate five times that evening and even takes major credit cards. Mr. Hinn said there would be a great economic upheaval and those that tithed to his organization would be protected from all that would occur.
I think the Pope is the only religious leader that is genuine.
posted on September 15, 2001 08:41:12 PM new
ok the Pope and Billy Graham, and I'm Catholic, (but the Church is a HUGE corporation in itself) I do not know if and how Graham gets money.
On the lower left hand side see the question
MY ANSWER: "Did God create evil?" and compare it with Robertson's statement. Also see the "youth" link on bottom right for Graham comments on the terrorist attack.
T
posted on September 16, 2001 06:22:28 AM new
I may just be an underinformed heathen, but red flags always go up in my mind when someone starts telling me what God feels or thinks.
