posted on September 14, 2001 06:35:13 PM newHow about the repeated attempts by certain parties in this thread to silence anyone who doesn't conform to the majority?
Boy, I hear ya there, spaz. But AW aint going anywhere and I can take up the battle again at a later date. So can you. But not if you go bye bye.
The politicizing did sicken me, and I think earlier in this thread I mentioned that I didn't start it to be an us-or-them discussion. But that's what it swiftly became. So I rolled with it and have been responding just as everyone else has.
[ edited by spazmodeus on Sep 14, 2001 06:50 PM ]
posted on September 14, 2001 06:44:53 PM new
Sometimes grief or anger or fear makes people selfish, Spaz. Lately, many have been just that. Myself included. If it helps, I validate what you are saying. I always have. Im just not good at words like you are, so I stumble along...that is, unless I get pissed. You tried to auction off my famous rant...can I auction yours if it hasnt been womb'd yet?
posted on September 14, 2001 06:48:24 PM new
Okay, Pocono. I'm sorry, then. I misread. I'm glad I did. It seemed not to be your style. You have my apology. I'll edit the posts.
posted on September 14, 2001 06:50:07 PM new
Spaz, When you said you envy that others can take comfort in icons and such and envied them in a way, I can relate to that too. I thought something was wrong with me, because I couldnt FEEL what they are feeling. But I broke down watching, of all things, the US anthem being played by the changing of the guards, and when I saw that pic that UARU posted of the flag raising. Maybe I was numb. Tempers are short, people are stressed and it tends to boil over. And I guess Im not numb anymore.
posted on September 14, 2001 06:52:39 PM new
Pocono, I personally think some americans HAD to know what was going on, or have sympathies to that "cause", otherwise, how could this happen the way it did, for so long right under our noses? If McVeigh thought nothing of killing his own kind, then there has to be others of like mind.
posted on September 14, 2001 06:58:40 PM newBut I broke down watching, of all things, the US anthem being played by the changing of the guards
In England? LOL, that did me in, too. I don't know what it was about that particular playing of The Star Spangled Banner. Maybe the fact that it was in another country -- a country we rebelled against. I think for me it acknowledged the enormity of this tragedy, that England, a country we spurned -- the very country we won our freedom from -- played our song as a gesture of solidarity and sympathy. That, and the faces of the people crying behind the huge iron gates. I imagined they were American tourists who were stuck in Britain, unable to get home because of the air ban.
Those are the kind of images that stay with me, that move me, that give me inspiration.
posted on September 14, 2001 07:06:18 PM new
I agree too, that it was probably the most touching thing I have witnessed thus far, and at the changing of the guard no less...
I have always loved the people of England, and this just fortifies that love.
Also, Tony Blair is one hell of a guy as well. He showed more anger and hurt then even President Bush seemed to I beleive.
It is a tear welling experience to see the countries of the world rallying behind US for a change.
posted on September 14, 2001 07:06:42 PM new
Al, LOL!
Spaz, yes, all those things you said is what made me break. England, the place we fought and won, our past enemies to gain our freedom, who played OUR song to show support and sympathy and empathy. Just writing this gives me goosebumps.
posted on September 14, 2001 07:07:58 PM new
I think it was Reamond that posted a thread of pics from around the world. Did you see it? Awesome tributes to us, and I thank Reamond for posting it.
posted on September 14, 2001 08:47:41 PM newabout that particular playing of The Star Spangled Banner. Maybe the fact that it was in another country -- a country we rebelled against.
Of all the "Staged Events" since Tuesday, that one got to me the most too.
That's what that whole song is about, our war with England, 220 years ago. And maybe there's a lesson in it, make freinds with your enemies.
posted on September 14, 2001 11:08:12 PM new
There's been a lot of back and forth in this thread about freedom of speech. I view freedom of speech as a right and a responsibility. At the heart of that responsibility is discretion -- that is, knowing when to add your two cents or not.
Every now and then, particularly when we're debating national events, I have to pause and remind myself that what I post here has zero effect on the big picture. The only impact it has is on those of us who read these posts.
In retrospect, it probably would have been best if I'd reminded myself of this before criticizing the weeping eagle. Clearly some of you appreciate the image and find solace in it. It wasn't my intention to deny you that. I was just venting to make myself feel better, failing to appreciate or respect that the picture was making you feel better.
posted on September 14, 2001 11:16:53 PM new
"I view freedom of speech as a right and a responsibility. At the heart of that responsibility is discretion"
While I continue to believe it is paramount to protect the President at all costs, I understand that the President must also risk him/herself(I'm ever hopeful) in times of national need.
Or, as it was said in the Star Trek movie: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one."
posted on September 15, 2001 09:41:46 AM new
With such incendiary openings, I'm amazed that this thread has managed to remain calm enough to remain open so long, and with so many interesting bits mixed in with the blather.
It is ridiculous to attempt to blame either President Clinton or Bush for these attacks.
Many people will attempt to twist anything as evidence of the righteousness of their pet cause(s).
posted on September 15, 2001 01:59:05 PM new
It's always interesting to read other countries' news stories about events in the US. Different perspectives, and all that, y'know.
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