Microbes
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posted on September 15, 2001 01:29:10 PM new
the enlistment age is advanced from 34 one year for each year of prior service.
Yup, means if I can get another waiver from DA for my hearing, I still have 2 years...
[ edited by Microbes on Sep 15, 2001 01:29 PM ]
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toke
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posted on September 15, 2001 01:29:34 PM new
Everything I've been hearing and reading about our now permanent lack of security and its consequent fear and restrictions, seems like self-fulfilling prophecy and a mindset I wish to avoid. I refuse to be afraid...I'm angry, instead. And cautious...
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REAMOND
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posted on September 15, 2001 01:44:14 PM new
"So far we have one poster who has been making numerous posts in multiple threads that basically advocates genocide. His/her position has been to wipe the Islamic faith off the face of the earth...and to leave the few remaining in a position of living by making fire with sticks.
Seventy years ago it was a madman in Germany who saw the people of a certain faith as the "enemy"....today it looks like we have madmen of the same caliber in our society. The only difference is that then it was Jews who were targeted, today it is Muslims."
Comparing European Jewry's Holocaust to hitting fundementalist Islam and the terrorists it supports is disgusting and off the map.
European Jewry did nothing to deserve the Holocaust.
Unless you want to make the case that fundementalist Islam is not supporting and producing these terrorists, then do it.
However the comparision doesn't even come close.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 15, 2001 01:44:31 PM new
Yes, I did mean the Cuban Missle Crisis. Thanks.
But I heard (today) that the CIA gave those reports to the FBI for further investigation. Just like since the bombing...both the CIA and FBI are working on these issues.
Don't think it matters that he felt this way before this latest bombing....we'd been attacked before this by the terrorists and I know he didn't support terrorists at all.
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krs
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posted on September 15, 2001 01:46:02 PM new
There is a report that two unmarked airplanes landed in Pakistan last night and that approx. 24 people got off and were spirited away. It's from an eyewitness account. Could be a couple of teams sent to see if they can administer some death penalties, which, in case anyone wonders, I think would be a very fine thing.
I take it back, there is one plane reported. It's from Pakistani newspapers:
http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100national/page.cfm?objectid=11306563&method=full
[ edited by krs on Sep 15, 2001 01:48 PM ]
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krs
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posted on September 15, 2001 01:51:33 PM new
So reamond, you're saying that some genocide is justifiable?
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spazmodeus
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posted on September 15, 2001 01:54:05 PM new
How can anyone carry off a covert operation when you have newspapers announcing it to the world? Maybe it's a ploy to get bin Laden feeling froggy so he jumps and exposes himself. Who knows.
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spazmodeus
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posted on September 15, 2001 01:55:17 PM new
By "exposes himself," I meant ... well, you know what I meant.
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krs
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posted on September 15, 2001 01:56:37 PM new
"Don't think it matters that he felt this way before this latest bombing....we'd been attacked before this by the terrorists and I know he didn't support terrorists at all."
So you think that he never envisioned that his announcement of support for Isreal might generate resentment in other parts of the middle east which could possibly result in some sort of action against the United States? It was beyond his wildest dreams?
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gaffan
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posted on September 15, 2001 01:57:26 PM new
Comparing European Jewry's Holocaust to hitting fundementalist Islam and the terrorists it supports is disgusting and off the map.
Whether this statement is true or false has no bearing. Comparing "hitting fundamentalist Islam and the terrorists it supports" to the the referenced genocidal rants -- now that's off the map.
-gaffan-
[email protected]
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krs
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posted on September 15, 2001 01:58:08 PM new
He looks like the sort that is often caricaturized exposing himself on the streets of New York City.
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Microbes
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posted on September 15, 2001 01:58:25 PM new
How can anyone carry off a covert operation when you have newspapers announcing it to the world?
Your right. CNN (and the rest) should know better than to even ask certain questions.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:04:15 PM new
Spaz - I agree and have questioned the exact same thing in the last few days. The first one that got me going was when the news was sharing one terrorist had told the pilot to shut off the 'phone' so no calls would come from the airport towers. Then the news go on to report that while the captain did that, the terrorist didn't know they had to do something else (they spelled it out) in order for the ground not to be able to hear them. I thought, "Well, they (the terrorists) won't make that same mistake again, now that you've shared what they should have done. STUPID!!!
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spazmodeus
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:04:27 PM new
CNN (and the rest) should know better than to even ask certain questions.
And even when they don't get the answers they want, they resort to a pool of "experts" who are happy to go on camera and tell us (and the opposition) what those in power might be thinking and what they are probably planning.
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julesy
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:05:02 PM new
Sorry if this comes out jumbled, but I find all of this different information difficult to disseminate.
I keep seeing the word "war" bandied about. By Bush, by others, but where is the formal declaration? The resolution that passed last night...was that some type of psuedo-declaration? Without a declaration isn't any type of ground or air invasion illegal?
I want justice, not war. Don't want revenge either. That will only beget more violence HERE.
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toke
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:05:14 PM new
It's not the questions...it's the answers. Our government (and its hangers on) leaks like a sieve.
And don't forget disinformation...
[ edited by toke on Sep 15, 2001 02:06 PM ]
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krs
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:08:01 PM new
He's very carefully skirted the issue of a declaration of war. He can't do that without full approval, but he can word what he can do to sound as though it's a declared war.
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toke
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:08:40 PM new
Hi Jules...
They haven't declared war since WWII. Just don't do it any more.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:11:03 PM new
So you think that he never envisioned that his announcement of support for Isreal might generate resentment in other parts of the middle east
I wouldn't have any idea what he envisioned. I don't think showing support for anyone/anything necessarily means that something negative *will* come from that. And if it does come, I wouldn't blame the statement one had made to be the cause of anothers actions.
Not sure if you're saying a person or a president shouldn't state how they feel, without worrying someone may be come resentful.
which could possibly result in some sort of action against the United States? If anyone worried about every issue they held a position on, was going to result in some sort of action by someone, no one would speak at all.
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gravid
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:12:57 PM new
Even those that don't actually advocate wiping the whole country off the map are stuck with no real other option to consider.
Should the US go in with ground troops and try to sort out who the terrorists are from a nation hiding and aiding them? They will lose as many troops as the New York attack killed., and still not accomplish what is needed.
There are not a lot of good choices between extremes of sitting on your hands waiting for the next attack and acting like a monster yourself. They have backed the US into a corner where "civilized" behavior is not rewarded in any way.
Would you choose civilized and dead or barbarian and alive?
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Linda_K
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:18:22 PM new
Julesy - In the last couple of days, I heard (tv news) that the congress gave President Bush backing that allows him to pretty much do what he needs to do. Not clear (to me) if it would be an actual declaration of war....or another conflict.
The President keeps referring to it as war, both saying they declared war on us and we're at war with them.
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krs
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:19:34 PM new
There's a petition to the congress to declare war against all Islamic terrorist and anyone who supports them.
No, I won't tell you where it is.
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julesy
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:20:14 PM new
So we're headed for another Vietnam?
No formal declaration; just get the masses as riled up as possible, and let the chips fall? And in the meantime, nobody will care that there's no formal declaration. Until afterwards.
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toke
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:23:22 PM new
For instance:
We did not declare war on Korea.
We did not declare war on Viet Nam.
We did not declare war on Iraq.
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gaffan
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:25:19 PM new
Would you choose civilized and dead or barbarian and alive?
False alternatives. Just because some choose to see no possible course lying between rolling over on one side and turning a big piece of the planet into glass on the other does not mean no such course exists. Failure to concede the existence of any other options is characteristic of the extreme and polarized positions which are derived not from rational thought but from emotional reaction.
-gaffan-
[email protected]
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krs
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:25:51 PM new
It authorised him “to use all necessary force against those nations, organisations, or persons he determines planned, authorised,
committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harboured such organisations or persons”, but did NOT declare war.
Back to the TV set to get your facts straight.
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krs
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:30:03 PM new
gaffan, they're announcing that ice cream bon-bons will be rationed at a rate of one bon-bon per family unit per week. Stand by for a lot more desparate posting.
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REAMOND
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:35:25 PM new
krs- I'm not advocating doing anything more than our bombers and servicemen did in WWII.
Some would and do dishonor our nation's veterans by claiming that the nuclear weapons dropped on Japan were genocide.
Modern warfare depends on destroying the means of an enemy to make war, which includes the support infrastructure which includes civilians.
The "police" actions advocated won't work, we can't even protect our military barracks in Saudi Arabia, they've been blown up twice, with casualities. We tried an extraction in Africa and it was a disaster.
Putting a large ground contingent in the Afghanistan area may only be a target and a trap for nuclear and biological weapons to be used against our forces. It almost seems too easy and what this terrorist network wants us to do.
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gaffan
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:37:30 PM new
Get some sleep, Ken.
-gaffan-
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Linda_K
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posted on September 15, 2001 02:45:03 PM new
krs - The wording you stated is pretty much what I said. No need for further sarcasm.
"that the congress gave President Bush backing that allows him to pretty much do what he needs to do. Not clear (to me) if it would be an actual declaration of war....or another conflict.
And if you have a problem with me trying to answer someone's question, or with the fact that I'm listening to the TV to keep up with what's happening in our nation.....TOO BAD.
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