toke
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posted on September 16, 2001 11:47:09 AM new
It's a grand old flag, isn't it Zilvy? Glad to see you're not wasting any time on the extremely unimportant things in life...
I plan to comb my hair...
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Hjw
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posted on September 16, 2001 11:48:08 AM new
Now that's a new trick, zilvy...replacing one message...telling me that I am a troublemaker that you would like to see drown with cement shoes with an entirely differen statement.
Wow! What's next?
Nelen
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krs
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posted on September 16, 2001 11:50:33 AM new
SupraMKIV posted on September 16, 2001 10:38:59 AM
"krs- .03%? Bah! You should add a few zeros in front of that three".
"Even if for some reason the gold can't be recovered, there's plenty of supply in the world. One company estimated the trade center hoard to be 0.3 percent of the global supply".
LOL! I did. Well, one anyway.
Muriel,
You've put out some pretty offensive statements about employees who don't even work for you, and bear in mind that without them your husband might not even have a job.
I guess this is a generalized session of feelings about unionization but I don't think it was meant to be that. The situation at hand in New York city, the cleanup and attempts at rescue and recovery are possibly hampered by the local union bylaws and that has very little to do with the wearing of T-shirts or retirement banquets.
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Hjw
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posted on September 16, 2001 11:52:02 AM new
Toke,
Well, I see that most of the gang is here now. 
We should have a party, I guess.
Helen
to add posters name
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Muriel
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posted on September 16, 2001 11:56:41 AM new
God bless you, too, Ken.
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toke
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posted on September 16, 2001 11:56:44 AM new
krs...
Aren't the union workers being paid for their labor and the non-union folks, volunteers? Or are the union guys volunteering too?
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dman3
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:00:07 PM new
I have heard on the news several times that the companies are donateing equiment and time for the rescue efforts..
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
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hepburn
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:03:19 PM new
I think we all could use a snort, dontcha think?
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hepburn
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:04:47 PM new
This might be a stupid questions, but Im gonna ask it anyway.
What the hell does it matter if someone is in a union or not if they are VOLUNTEERING? They arent being paid. They are doing it because they WANT TO HELP. So, whats the deal?
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zilvy
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:05:23 PM new
I'll have a virgin Daniels (no Jack) I can't drink!
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Hjw
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:07:30 PM new
Hepburn
I don't "snort". Do you?
I do think that it's time for a break.
Thank you dman for that information! I had heard that also. As I said earlier, I don't think that it was because of an issue of money that these volunteers were rejected.
Helen
ed. to add, because of.
[ edited by Hjw on Sep 16, 2001 12:09 PM ]
sp.
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toke
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:09:58 PM new
dman...
I thought the union had a contract or something...that implied payment to me. I have to admit...I've taken a short break from the news. My eyes actually hurt.
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krs
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:11:03 PM new
I hadn't heard that anyone was being paid other than the emergency people, but I did see something about cleanup contracts having been awarded, or having been put out for bid, or something. I don't know. Does seem odd that anyone would complain about someone taking a job from someone who had no job yet in the first place.
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Muriel
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:13:50 PM new
Hepburn: Pass the Jack, girlfriend. 
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hepburn
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:14:51 PM new
Helen, why do you insist on addressing me when you know we will just argue if take your bait? Have you seen me address you at all lately? Follow my lead...I.G.N.O.R.E.
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Hjw
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:19:36 PM new
Well, Hepburn
I don't ignore anyone.
Helen
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dman3
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:20:18 PM new
The thing is here that clean up efforts have not even started they are in rescue recovery and investigateing..
The only clean up that has been done is so the stock market can open on monday..
and this was done by city workers.
Clean up and rebuilding will or is being contracted out yes but this effort hasn't started it weeks if not months in the future.
Right now at the site is FBI in some cases on hands and knees sifting through papers and stuff looking for any and all evidence to help make there case.
http://www.Dman-N-Company.com
Email [email protected]
[ edited by dman3 on Sep 16, 2001 12:23 PM ]
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hepburn
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:24:13 PM new
Bummer. Im blessed.
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hepburn
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:29:26 PM new
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame7.html
Ho hum.
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MartyAW
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:33:29 PM new
Hello,
Everyone needs to adhere to the topic of this thread; stop with the personal insults and attacks.
This thread will be locked without further hesitation, if this cannot be done.
Thank you for your cooperation,
Marty
Moderator
[email protected]
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Hjw
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:36:54 PM new
hepburn
Is that link supposed to related to this thread? Maybe you have the wrong link...it's a link to the flame characterizations.
You may want to check it out.
Helen
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zilvy
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:41:53 PM new
This morning one of the networks interviewed a welder/ironworker... guy had his welder's mask on top of his head, said he was from North Carolina, had been told his skills were needed, had slept on the sidewalk last night waiting to volunteer and contribute his labor. He pointed to bunches of torches sitting around unused, other welders standing around with him, and said they weren't going to be allowed to work.
Why not? The site clearing has already been contracted out to a few big construction companies. You can't work if they don't put you on their payroll. They wouldn't hire this guy from out of state because he "wasn't a member of the right union."
Contracted out indicates a "JOB"meaning paid, he doesn't belong to the right UNION so they wouldn't hire him!! Yes I am sure there must be gold in them thar hills. Otherwise use all that are available and willing. If they know there job and are instructed where and with whom to work what difference does it make which union you belong too?
Rather like my point of Raytheon's union workers not crossing a picket line of a union group who caused the demise of a business...even though Raytheon needed the items for the defense of the US.
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Hjw
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posted on September 16, 2001 12:54:31 PM new
If the defence of the country was in jeopardy I doubt that a picket line would have been in place.
Helen
gram.
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uaru
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posted on September 16, 2001 01:13:52 PM new
If the defence of the country was in jeopardy I doubt that a picket line would be in place.
In WW2 there was a song GIs sang about saving 3 shells for the end of the war. 1 shell was to be used on Congress, 1 shell was to be used on John Hormell (inventor of SPAM), the last shell was to be used on John L. Lewis (the head of the coalminer's union.)
Lewis organized slowdowns and work stopages at the height of the war. At times he was running neck and neck with Hitler as American's most hated man.
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zilvy
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posted on September 16, 2001 01:20:17 PM new
Thank you uaru. That is one case in point.
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Muriel
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posted on September 16, 2001 01:25:06 PM new
uaru: What Zilvy said.
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Hjw
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posted on September 16, 2001 01:28:19 PM new
John L. Lewis did wage a fierce battle for the mineworkers.
He also founded the C.I.O. Congress of Industrial Organizations.
Helen
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Antiquary
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posted on September 16, 2001 01:33:03 PM new
In this time of confusion, the one certainty that I can see is that this event will be used mercilessly to justify every possible political viewpoint and cause. In that respect, nothing has changed.
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DeSquirrel
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posted on September 16, 2001 01:35:13 PM new
Let me try and explain something to those who have a rough time figuring simple things out. Within hours of the tragedy, all of the surplus fire, first aid, police, EMT and heavy equipment from 5 states was in Manhattan. It is now being turned away because they don't need people standing on each others shoulders. If you are not needed DO NOT COME HERE and be part of the problem!
Another thing is that this is a crime scene and most of the people standing on each other shoulders are FBI, police, army, and Fireman going over debris with SHOVELS. They do not need good old Joe from NC with his torch.
As to the "big contracts", i'm sure the mayor spent hours negotiating these!
Oh, BTW, you can stop paying $5/gal for gas. I can see the smoking hole from my roof and our gas prices haven't changed.
If anyone wants to help why don't they just do what is being requested?? Respirators, masks, gloves, with nobody in them. They are going crazy trying to figure out what to do with all the mountains of uneeded perishable goods they are STILL receiving.
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Hjw
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posted on September 16, 2001 01:35:21 PM new
Perhaps Lewis' greatest legacy was the creation of the UMWA Welfare and Retirement Fund in a contract with the federal government, signed in the White House with President Truman in attendance.
The UMWA Fund changed permanently health care delivery in the coal fields of the nation. The UMWA Fund built eight hospitals in Appalachia and established numerous clinics.
In 1964, Lewis was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian decoration, by President Lyndon Johnson.
Helen
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