posted on October 17, 2001 07:53:13 PM new I went down there quite accidentally, although I have been meaning to go anyway. I was coming back from seeing a friend, and the subway trains are all so messed up here since 9/11, that I accidentally got on one going downtown instead of uptown. I couldn't make a connection until I got to Chambers Street, so I figured "Well, as long as I'm on Chambers Street, I may as well get off and take a walk, have a look around at the site." I really didn't expect to see anything because I'd heard it was all blocked off. I guess some people think it is morbid or something, but, for some reason, I felt I needed to see it, make it "real" for myself or something?? I had only seen the smoke from blocks away when it first happened. Well I took a walk down Broadway - the smell of smoke and fire is still extremely strong - and when I got to the corner of Broadway and Maiden Lane, there was a wide open gap where you could see right into the site, which was right there. I could not believe what I saw. It's true, it is just not the same on television. I thought I was prepared for what I saw. I was not. I could not (can not) believe the total devastation. Ruins. Everywhere. I was looking at a building (I am still trying to identify which one it is) - that was still standing but completely and totally blown to smithereens. I don't know how it still stands. I don't even know how to describe it - it looks like layers and layers just blown to bits. It was 7 pm so it was already dark, but all the bright lights were there for the workers and it was so horrifying to see all this lit up in the night. I saw a piece of the wall of Tower Two still standing. Kinda white looking, kinda charred looking, nothing but ruins everywhere. And the big cranes. I cannot begin to describe what I saw or how it felt. The closest I can describe it is that I felt like I had been transported into some completely different dimension, into this war zone. A different lifetime, a completely different city in another world, not the NYC I know. I stood on the corner crying and crying. Tears just pouring down my face, which I did not expect. I have seen these scenes on TV over and over like everyone else and I thought I knew what to expect. But I didn't. I guess I needed to see it for myself, for real, in person. I guess I needed to go down alone and experience it and cry and finally get it out. This image will be burned into my mind forever. I cannot describe the horror of it. May this never ever happen to another of our cities or anyone's city.
posted on October 17, 2001 08:07:10 PM new
Snowydayz - Yeah it IS morbid. That's the reality right now. That's real life right now. Morbid.
[ edited by nycrocker on Oct 17, 2001 08:09 PM ]
posted on October 17, 2001 08:08:19 PM new
I actually went down there about two weeks ago. It is exactly as Rocker described; indescribable (<--- hmm, that doesn't look like a word...).
posted on October 17, 2001 08:12:12 PM new
It must have been very sobering, rocker and james. I can't imagine the scale. TV's one thing, but to see it in person must've been overwhelming.
posted on October 17, 2001 08:16:25 PM new
Sorry Rocker for your pain. I really think you had to see it, and release some of what you have been holding inside. It's our country but it's your home.
posted on October 17, 2001 08:17:32 PM new
Snowydayz if you don't like this thread, don't freakin read it. Thanks a lot for your compassion. If you wanna be an ostrich and stick your head in the sand, that's your choice, but don't try to force it onto me and those of us who need to FEEL this. This is REALITY whether you like it or not. People are not APOLOGIZING to me for anything, they are feeling WITH me. Like choco said, this is OUR country and this is MY home. This is the city I have lived in for 20 freakin years, you heartless moron. Now get out of my freakin thread.
[ edited by nycrocker on Oct 17, 2001 08:21 PM ]
posted on October 17, 2001 08:24:59 PM new
Rocker, thanks again for being you.
High five because a smiley doesnt fit in here.
edited to add this for snowydayz: That is a morgue down there. Rocker was feeling for those STILL BURIED IN THE RUBBLE. Get it? Guess not. You dont want to see the destruction, OR the gravestone of thousands of people. You are a cold one, arent you?
[ edited by Hepburn on Oct 17, 2001 08:27 PM ]
posted on October 17, 2001 08:28:29 PM new
I have seen a lot here, but if anyone is the moron that would be you, actually freak is a better word. Wow, been kicked out of rockers thread, could the hurt be any worse? I know perfectly well what reality is, I don't have to see the gore up close for it to be "real".
stick to what you know, hepburn and don't presume to know wht I think.
[ edited by snowydayz on Oct 17, 2001 08:30 PM ]
posted on October 17, 2001 08:37:56 PM new
Why don't you go start one of your silly ass ponderment threads, at least I did not have to change my user name because all of the previous posters thought I was an idiot with all of that "zoomin' around the empty halls of the round table" crap.
posted on October 17, 2001 08:38:03 PM new
snowydayz
posted on October 17, 2001 08:28:29 PM
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I have seen a lot here, but if anyone is the moron that would be you, actually freak is a better word. Wow, been kicked out of rockers thread, could the hurt be any worse? I know perfectly well what reality is, I don't have to see the gore up close for it to be "real".
stick to what you know, hepburn and don't presume to know wht I think.
[ edited by snowydayz on Oct 17, 2001 08:30 PM ]
That is so lovely, I thought I would plaster it here forever, in case you decide to edit later.
posted on October 17, 2001 08:39:15 PM new
THANK YOU snowydayz for proving our point further. Enough said.
And to the rest of you THANK YOU... thanks for being there, for letting me get this out, for understanding these feelings. Yes I did hold it in too long and yes NYC is one big morgue right now. But I know we are ALL in pain over this. Well... all except an occasional cold hearted moron. But I know you all share in the pain and we all deal with it in our own ways.
I would rather deal with it the way I am than have a cold hateful attitude towards other people at a time when we need compassion the most.
posted on October 17, 2001 08:40:42 PM newWhy don't you go start one of your silly ass ponderment threads, at least I did not have to change my user name because all of the previous posters thought I was an idiot with all of that "zoomin' around the empty halls of the round table" crap.
Actually, I dont think anyone DID think I was an idiot and if they did, I dont give a rats patootey. Why I changed my name is my business, not yours. At least my posts didnt slam people down like yours do. Creep.
posted on October 17, 2001 08:42:09 PM new
When they show pictures of the site, what bothers me is seeing the firetrucks still hosing it down. I can't imagine the heat that must've been generated. Was it like that when you went to see it rocker?
posted on October 17, 2001 08:42:12 PM new
plsmith, she changed her name, lol. POT KETTLE BLACK. Hepburn started that, but it came from MAUI. So stuff it, snowydayz.
posted on October 17, 2001 08:42:47 PM new
Sorry, I was here a lot longer before that, so why don't get get your fact straight. I had a 6 month break.
I have plenty of sympathy for the victims and have donated every extra dime I have to all the charities, I have sent cards and gift packages and cash, I hardly think your opinion matters to me.
posted on October 17, 2001 08:44:52 PM new
My name was snowydays before, I lost my password and email address and Joice changed my name for me, better than trying to hide behind something else, so why don't you learn to read stupid. Or should I say, k? like you do in all your wisdom.
posted on October 17, 2001 08:46:38 PM new
Hep YOU GO GIRL!! Okay if YOU get moderated then so do I -
snowydayz get your FREAK @$$ off this thread, you are not welcome here.
Can you believe there is someone sick enough to derail a thread like this one - when someone is sitting here crying over their city and other people are sharing in the pain of it? Wow. The hatred in this world is appalling. Snowydayz I know a hate filled group you may want to go join. Can you fly airplanes by any chance?
I went down there quite accidentally, although I have been meaning to go anyway. I was coming back from seeing a friend, and the subway trains are all so messed up here since 9/11, that I accidentally got on one going downtown instead of uptown. I couldn't make a connection until I got to Chambers Street, so I figured "Well, as long as I'm on Chambers Street, I may as well get off and take a walk, have a look around at the site." I really didn't expect to see anything because I'd heard it was all blocked off. I guess some people think it is morbid or something, but, for some reason, I felt I needed to see it, make it "real" for myself or something?? I had only seen the smoke from blocks away when it first happened. Well I took a walk down Broadway - the smell of smoke and fire is still extremely strong - and when I got to the corner of Broadway and Maiden Lane, there was a wide open gap where you could see right into the site, which was right there. I could not believe what I saw. It's true, it is just not the same on television. I thought I was prepared for what I saw. I was not. I could not (can not) believe the total devastation. Ruins. Everywhere. I was looking at a building (I am still trying to identify which one it is) - that was still standing but completely and totally blown to smithereens. I don't know how it still stands. I don't even know how to describe it - it looks like layers and layers just blown to bits. It was 7 pm so it was already dark, but all the bright lights were there for the workers and it was so horrifying to see all this lit up in the night. I saw a piece of the wall of Tower Two still standing. Kinda white looking, kinda charred looking, nothing but ruins everywhere. And the big cranes. I cannot begin to describe what I saw or how it felt. The closest I can describe it is that I felt like I had been transported into some completely different dimension, into this war zone. A different lifetime, a completely different city in another world, not the NYC I know. I stood on the corner crying and crying. Tears just pouring down my face, which I did not expect. I have seen these scenes on TV over and over like everyone else and I thought I knew what to expect. But I didn't. I guess I needed to see it for myself, for real, in person. I guess I needed to go down alone and experience it and cry and finally get it out. This image will be burned into my mind forever. I cannot describe the horror of it. May this never ever happen to another of our cities or anyone's city. 