rachelcrisscross
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:58:05 PM new
stusi? yeah, what scare?
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gravid
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:00:18 PM new
Spuds beat scuds.
Does mrpotatoehead know about this?
Russet rockets or wham yams?
They must be precision munitions with all those eyes.
I have to go get another bottle of maker's mark excuse me.....
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:01:45 PM new
just had a thought (it happens once in awhile). remember the west Nile virus? just think , if they could have done it that would have been the time. but they didn't. maybe that gave them the idea? they dusted all of Manhattan. I hate thinking
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plsmith
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:10:39 PM new
Yeah, Breiny, I hate thinking about all this stuff, too, but periodically I can't shut it off and this is one of those times. And I agree, it'd be a simple matter to devote some newspaper space to cropdusting activities expected to occur within a newspaper's region. Like the shipping news.
Gravid, here on the West Coast, the newspaper articles devoted to such things give smallpox a 40% kill rating. And yes, they state it is more lethal than anthrax because it is contagious, and they know what a slobbery lot we are...
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:12:47 PM new
I can't help but think that the anthrax incidents are at least in part being perpetrated by an ultra right wing fanatic of the Unibomber type.
This is not so far fetched. Most people seem to be blaming this on Middle Eastern Terrorists, but there are several things that bother me about that.
Supposedly this "weapons grade" Anthrax is made in the USA. To get their hands on it terrorists would have to pay off someone on the inside or be there themselves. Either way, it's just as scarry. Is security around this stuff pathetic enough so people can just walk out of a lab with it?
Another theory I've pondered is: Could this be one of those people that hates muslims, and wants them to be run out of the country. Is there a better way to spread hatered of any group than through fear?
If this stuff was made in this country, shouldn't the ones responsible for making it be held partially responsible for what people are doing with it?
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gravid
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:15:34 PM new
breinhold - I hear what you are implying. If they could mix it in with the regular spray job it would be very effective.
Thankfully most of these kind of businesses everybody knows everyone else and you don't just show up with a buch of new faces under turbans and take over the whole market thank you sahib. We have very special price this month with coupon second secret ingredient of equal or lessor value for same price, hahaha.
If the ones who made it are in any way shape or form the Army or the government no they are untouchable and immune from legal responsibility.
outoftheblue - I understand Iraq has the capability to make the weapon grade stuff also despite having the snot bombed out of them and roving weapons inspectors for years.
[ edited by gravid on Oct 27, 2001 10:21 PM ]
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rawbunzel
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:22:54 PM new
AHEM...May I have your attention please...
HeHeHe...edited for the effects of drinking.Never drink while posting. 
[ edited by rawbunzel on Oct 27, 2001 11:00 PM ]
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:23:34 PM new
outoftheblue-I never thought about that and now that I am, I have to say in 47 years I have heard all kinds of hatred of all groups but I cant remember ever hearing anyone hating Muslims. even the biggest rednecks here never have. (I don't think they knew what a Muslim was until now).
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:26:32 PM new
now if a political correct redneck jumps me for saying redneck I am gonna be in shock. this could be a new thread! how do political correct rednecks talk? that's a challenge
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rawbunzel
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:28:05 PM new
This thread:
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=28&thread=129306
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:33:49 PM new
outoftheblue, I thought about the Muslim hating theory, but somehow, I don't think so. I think this is a radical hate group that's looking for attention. Especially when letters were sent to the media. The amounts of anthrax used was very small in each case (as far as we know) leading me to think they didn't/don't have much of it. If it were terrorists, wouldn't they more logically have sent letters with LOTS of the powder inside, insuring more exposure, and sent them early?
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plsmith
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:35:23 PM new
AHEM, Rawbunzel, that's not what she said at all. She had mistakenly said that a Nat'l Guard post had been sprayed, then corrected it to read a Coast Guard post. (There's a link to the article in the link Rawbunzel provided above.) Neither of these cases has been solved (as in who did them or why) beyond the authorities determining that anthrax was not the substance sprayed...
Edited to make it easier:
http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0110/24/m05.html
[ edited by plsmith on Oct 27, 2001 10:38 PM ]
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:42:50 PM new
gravid
I understand Iraq has the capability to make the weapon grade stuff also despite having the snot bombed out of them and roving weapons inspectors for years.
I'm sure you are correct about that but I heard that this particular batch was processed with a special chemical made right here in the USA, that helps it stay airborne for longer periods of time.
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:43:29 PM new
something else has been bothering me. before the 11th no one even talked about anthrax. I guarantee that 6 months ago my family doctor would have been stumped and unaware.he would have given the wrong med and I would have died. people would wonder what happened but who would look into it, being I am just some unknown guy? the spores are showing up in weird places. could they have been there way before the 11th? even as far back as the first attempt at the wtc? not the mail but some of the strange places like air ducts.we could be finding some of it now only because we never looked before. the more I read about it ,the less they know about it.
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rachelcrisscross
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:43:52 PM new
There is some evidence that some aryan groups in the u.s. may have ties to
al-queda...
In one of the articles I read about the crop dusting some head in the coast guard didn't think the spraying was necessarily accidental. To quote him - he said "definitely criminal"...
Sorry - I'm losing track of all the articles I've read, or else I'd tell ya where I read it...
ed - to correct typing - and might as well add - also a case of west nile virus reported somewhere on the east coast (u.s.) the other day and as some of you know, Hawaii has a lot of cases right now of...uh...darn...I forget what it's called starts with a D...getting kind of sleepy...
[ edited by rachelcrisscross on Oct 27, 2001 10:50 PM ]
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rawbunzel
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:47:28 PM new
Plsmith, You are so right! My only defense is the vodka and OJ .
Time for me to shut it down for the night.
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:48:03 PM new
"There is some evidence that some aryan groups in the u.s. may have ties to
al-queda..." wow now that i didnt expect! what a strange tent full-o-nuts that would be.
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:48:41 PM new
breinhold
Hatered for Muslims in this country is pretty much post 9/11. It doesn't have to be a hate group. It cound just be one or two individuals, like the ones that phoned in the death threats after 9/11.
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rachelcrisscross
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:51:54 PM new
...they have a common enemy...
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:53:47 PM new
that is true , I do think there is a frightening amount of people that lurk waiting for anything bad to cash in on to elevate themselves.
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:55:33 PM new
am i dumb or what.......your right. i see it now.
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:58:07 PM new
in fact I am seeing it very clearly. I just got more bummed out than I was.
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plsmith
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:58:44 PM new
Dengue Fever...
What about all the blue-eyed blondes that took up with the Rajneesh in Oregon and allowed themselves to be brainwashed/used to such a degree that they went along with a plan to poison salad bars (with salmonella) throughout one county there? Rajneesh is long gone but where are all those people (who were probably 20-something back then)? Anyone who has a mindset for being that leadable would seem like a prime candidate to take up with al-qaeda-types. (Man, I'm gettin' more paranoid by the minute, hahaha!)
Wish I had some o' that myself, Rawbunzel! Good night...
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breinhold
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posted on October 27, 2001 11:02:31 PM new
goodnight everybody.....and I don't have any vodka either. damn
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 27, 2001 11:07:37 PM new
The other clue, to me, was. Why would a Muslim Extremist who supposedly hates the American lifestyle [everything American] write a love letter to J. Lopez in care of the Sun? Not to mention they included a Star of David [A Jewish religious symbol]. Someone's confused, and it's not just me...
Enquiring minds want to know. Just kidding.
[ edited by outoftheblue on Oct 27, 2001 11:45 PM ]
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rachelcrisscross
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posted on October 27, 2001 11:20:59 PM new
Good night to all who went to bed...
Uh, I forgot what else I was going to say...
Oh yeah...I was going to say that I think this is all rather confusing...
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saabsister
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posted on October 28, 2001 05:43:24 AM new
The Washington Post had an article this morning on how lax the federal oversight has been on the inventories of dangerous microbes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63210-2001Oct27.html
As far as the origin of the smallpox scare goes, I don't know it. The Post has reported that the feds are trying to see how far they can dilute the available supply of smallpox vaccine and still have it be effective. They expect to have an adequate supply by late next year, I believe. 
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stusi
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posted on October 28, 2001 08:41:23 AM new
Based on the info given here(?), it seems that the smallpox "scare" is nothing more than the news media telling us all, including the terrorists(!), that smallpox may be a far more serious threat than anthrax! Can we expect the media to give the terrorists an even more complete list of biological and/or germ warfare sources that they possibly have not thought of ?
The suggestion that Aryan groups have aligned with Muslims seems as absurd as them aligning with Asians, African-Americans or Jews. BTW- the dislike of Muslims in the U.S. is not new; has everyone forgotten the Black Muslim movement of the 60's? The now (in)famous image of the U.S.Olympic athlete raising his fist at the awards ceremony was quite angering to millions of Americans!
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stusi
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posted on October 28, 2001 08:51:52 AM new
The article that saabsister linked to causes me to think how easy it would be for a bin Laden sympathizer to come here as a "student", get access to such microbes at one of many college chemistry labs and wreak havoc at their leisure! Between the airlines not having terrorists in their databases and the government not tracking locations of biological or germ weapons I am both extremely disappointed and angry at this gross failure of domestic security agencies. We seem to be doing a great job of Monday morning quarterbacking!
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saabsister
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posted on October 28, 2001 08:58:11 AM new
Stusi, I share your disappointment. Indeed I'm angry. These threats have been discussed for years. At the very least an adequate supply of vaccine should have been available - for everyone.
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