REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 10:56:33 AM new
Enough to know that you don't go into one to play paddy-cakes and get servicemen needlessly killed.
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krs
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posted on November 1, 2001 11:00:18 AM new
You mean none.
And while you're busy with that, what of this?
FBI hunt men with nuclear link
by Jeremy Campbell In Washington
As a week of terrorist alerts unfolds, the FBI is mounting a
nationwide hunt for six men in possession of photographs
and descriptions of a nuclear power plant in Florida and the
trans-Alaska pipeline, a senior US official is quoted as
saying today.
The men were stopped by police
in the Mid-West several days
ago but let go. This was one
reason for the warning issued by
the Justice Department of a "big
event" by terrorists in the US in
the next few days. Adding to the
alarm is the fact that the men
were carrying box cutters and
razor sharp blades on plastic
handles similar to those used by
the suicide attackers on 11 September.
After deciding that the men's Israeli passports were in
order, the Immigration Service decided that they were
legally in the US, Knight-Ridder newspapers reported
today. Investigators believe the men have fled to Canada. A
US official said the FBI and the Justice Department are
"furious" that the men were let go. The Civil Aviation
Administration has imposed flight restrictions around every
nuclear plant in the country.
The White House said the alert issued on Monday evening
was based on a message sent the previous night by an
Osama bin Laden adherent in Canada to Afghanistan. The
message referred to an event scheduled to take place
"down South".
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© Associated Newspapers Ltd., 31 October 2001
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 11:09:09 AM new
I'm staisfied with my service record. What war were you a general in krs ?
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uaru
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posted on November 1, 2001 11:14:17 AM new
krs,
Maybe you know, and then maybe you don't know. The story about the 6 men with box cutters and maps of the Alaska Pipeline, and nuclear plants. Has been dismissed as a rumor by the "mainstream" news agencies.
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 11:17:38 AM new
The only herd mentality is on the side of your friends the Taliban
Oh, that hurts.. Not really, I was expecting a response like that from you.
I have no feelings for the Taliban, what so ever. Just the men, women and children that they rule over.
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 11:20:31 AM new
Well if that's the case, then you should be happy that the Taliban is being destroyed.
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krs
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posted on November 1, 2001 11:29:08 AM new
Of course it has, uaru. Why would they be inclined to incurr the displeasure of the administration?
there has been a number of 'omissions' by your 'mainstream' media. The flight of the plane into PA is a good example. Did you know that that plane dropped altitude and assumed a direct line approach to three mile island? No, of course you didn't. It wasn't on YOUR news, was it. Suppose that that little known fact had something to do with this other later report? What target in this country could offer a greater potential for far reaching destructive effect than any of the active nuclear power plants? And what would take place if that bit of info was dispensed in YOUR media? Why, the nation might panic a bit, or at least the residents close to those things might do so. Now, what would a reason for stifling that fear possibly be? Wasn't it a cornerstone of the bush energy plan that there be a wider use of nuclear reactors to supply needed energy? What would happen to that plan if the nation perceived those things to be not only dangerous in and of themselves but also ready made hard to miss targets for terrorists? Think the plan would fly?
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internationalgolf
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posted on November 1, 2001 11:31:47 AM new
“Know the Enemy”
Good advice, particularly for all of those who have forgotten what happened in New York and Washington DC on 09-11-01.
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/741497.html
http://www.newstrolls.com/wtc.htm
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 11:45:41 AM new
Why internationalgolf, those are innocent American civilians you are alluding to, no one cares about them.
It is those 8 Afghanistan civilians that were UNINTENTIONALLY killed that count.
Not only that, but this war is a Bush/Cheney/oil conspiracy.
Those terrorists in those planes were robots created in a secret lab by Exxon.
bin Laden is actually a Vice President for Mobile Oil, and the Taliban are major shareholders in Enterprise Oil Corp.
I can't prove it, but Santa Claus and teh Easter Bunny are involved in this somehwere.
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[ edited by REAMOND on Nov 1, 2001 11:52 AM ]
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 11:56:58 AM new
All of those pictures are a monument to inhumanity.
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saabsister
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:00:25 PM new
RAEMOND, what do you think that we as a country have learned since September 11?
I think it's a pretty darn small world and I'm not sure that we can effectively fight several countries at a time. At least not on their terms. (I'd like to see bin Laden taken care of, but I'm also in agreement with Antiquary's suggestion that we beef up security at home.) And I also think that the politicians here have a history of playing "paddy-cakes" - they'll be calling the shots, not the generals. We can bomb three or four countries, but I'm not convinced that much will change other than adding to the civilian body count - here and there.
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:01:15 PM new
Let's be clear- those pictures are monuments to the inhumanity of our enemies.
The pictures of the few, if even believable, bodies of civilian casualities in Afghanistan are monuments of the huge humanitarian efforts of the American people in an effort to protect themselves and harm as few civilians as humanly possible.
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:02:42 PM new
then you should be happy that the Taliban is being destroyed.
It's not just the Taliban that are being destroyed, obviously. You don't cure the problem by killing the patient.
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saabsister
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:04:59 PM new
RAEMOND, look at James Nachtwey's Inferno some time. It's a book of war photography. Innocent civilians suffer everywhere. We had just been lucky until Sept. 11.
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:07:07 PM new
The pictures of the few, if even believable, bodies of civilian casualities in Afghanistan are monuments of the huge humanitarian efforts of the American people in an effort to protect themselves and harm as few civilians as humanly possible.
I wish I could believe that. I think. Is the US military really that incompetent?
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:10:55 PM new
We fought in two major theatres of war in WWII, and did it victoriously.
Applying security at home to the extent necessary to avoid or prevent more terrorists attacks will destroy our free society.
Taking the war to the terrorists will preserve a free nation. It will take time. One of the things that is time consuming is targeting, in order to spare every innocent civilian possible.
To protect these innocent people in other countries will require our patience, and more than likely will mean more casualities at home. For the time being, the American people will support this tactic. For how long I don't know. Being unemployed and a terrorist target will triy the American patience to its limits.
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:15:00 PM new
We have dropped tons of munitions on Taliban military and communication targets. The few, if any, Afghanistan civiliians killed are a testement to our military and our humane resolve.
If any other military force were to bomb to this extent, the civilian casualities would be in the thousands.
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uaru
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:17:11 PM new
krs Why would they be inclined to incurr the displeasure of the administration? there has been a number of 'omissions' by your 'mainstream' media.
Yes, I usually depend on the news carried by the services under the administration's control (as you seem to feel) like CBS, CNN, AP, BBC, Reuters, Washington Post, etc.
There's a lot of "alternative news sources" and a lot of stories. I'll be the first to admit the "alternative news sources" have the juiciest stories.
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:25:46 PM new
uaru
Isn't that called interspecies relations?
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saabsister
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:28:00 PM new
Being unemployed and a terrorist target will triy the American patience to its limits.
I agree with that statement. So I feel that it's important to think of how our policies cause other countries to react. I think our arrogance - Western Civilization's arrogance, if you will - has caused some of our problems. You can bet that Mideastern culture will be included belatedly in textbooks. It's already discussed in more depth on TV. It's too bad that we were so culturally chauvanistic for so long. Now we're talking about our casualities vs. the enemies' casualities. That was part of the problem - technology has bought us all much closer together whether we like it or not - the Taliban doesn't like our culture seeping into theirs and we don't like their reaction(although we may like Mideastern oil).
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:28:42 PM new
Let me also add, we Americans are paying a dollar price in doing our very best not to harm innocent civilians.
We could save billions in tax dollars by using dumb bombs. A dumb bomb would cost less than $1000, compared to up to $1 million for a smart bomb.
We have made a humane decision and I think a noble one, to do as little harm to non-combatants as possible.
It's only money ? Yes, but that money could be used to find cures for cancer, job training, free vacinations, etc.. We use it instead to protect innocent civilians during war.
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:36:02 PM new
REAMOND
If you honestly believe that this war in Afganistan will do anything, what so ever, to stop terrorism.....
Shaking my head.
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:37:59 PM new
I don't think we suffer from too much arrogance. I think it is misrepresented just how many people actually detest our culture. When given the choice, most are drawn to it.
Do we sometimes blunder in foreign policy ? Sure do. Do we deserve to be murdered by the thousands for it ? Nope.
America is full of problems. But they are the type of problems most countries would trade for in a heart beat.
bin Laden, Islamic terrorists, and the Taliban aren't about seeking a coexistence with the West, they are about destroying the West and EVERYTHING it stands for.
If you look at the culture of the Taliban, that is what they want the world to embrace and to become the dominant culture.
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krs
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:40:45 PM new
I wonder what your reaction would be to finding that the people doing the bombing agree that it should stop?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A3233-2001Oct28?language=printer
ubb
[ edited by krs on Nov 1, 2001 02:01 PM ]
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:40:58 PM new
I think I have made it clear, and U.S. policy is clear that Afghanistan is the starting point.
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:50:10 PM new
Well I don't know the opinion of the poeple doing the actual bombing, and the article doesn't give that opinion either. But it is a pretty good bet that the vast majority support it.
The article you linked to contains the opinion of one person, and he only complains of the efficacy of the bombing stage of the war.
I think he is too anxious to put ground forces into Afghanistan. Having air superiority and softening ground targets is an essential prerequisite to minimize casualities of ground forces.
The ground war will be like a bar room brawl or street fight, it won't be like Iraq.
I am more concerned about rational rules of engagement for the ground forces than dropping too many bombs on the Taliban.
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internationalgolf
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:54:22 PM new
As long as you wish to “know your enemy”, you may as well check this out:
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=3299
[i]It is Haraam for a lady who is menstruating to recite the Qur'aan Shareef
with the intention of Tilaawat. However, she is only permitted to recite
those verses that contain the meanings of Du'aa (supplication) with the
intention of making Du'aa, not with the intention of making Tilaawat
(reciting) the Qur'aan.
In the example quoted, it will not be permissible to recite Surah Tabaarak
since it does not contain the meaning of Du'aa.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.[/i]
[ edited by internationalgolf on Nov 1, 2001 12:55 PM ]
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 12:57:52 PM new
Here is a good link to what American people think about the prosecution of the war.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,37798,00.html
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 01:01:57 PM new
This war is pointless.
I believe that the US Government is just flexing its muscles in a vain attempt to show American superiority to the world.
At this point even some Taliban leaders would do anything to end this but those currently in power here don't want it to end. There's too much at stake politically..
Let's all put on our blind folds and chant "we are the champions of the world."
Please forgive my spellin
[ edited by outoftheblue on Nov 1, 2001 01:09 PM ]
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 01:02:38 PM new
Great link internationalgolf. I am going to submit the question : Is it OK to have sex with goats to produce more Islamic terrorists ?
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