REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 01:07:16 PM new
Let's all put our blinders on and put our heads and way of life on the chopping block for the terrorists to cut off.
There are some people when hit will lay down and get kicked to death, others will not.
There are some that are so self loathing that they believe there is nothing worth fighting for.
I look around my country and see many wrongs to right, and much work to be done. I also see some pretty great people and the best way of life ever produced by humans.
These things are worth protecting.
Let me also add, free speech, and offering opposition does not mean anyone will agree with you, or follow your advice. All it means is that you may utter your opposition. The right of decent is not the right to be understood, agreed with, or followed, but only the right to be heard.
Opposition is not being squelched in this country. One's message lives and dies with upon its own merits.
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internationalgolf
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posted on November 1, 2001 01:29:11 PM new
Taliban Picking Favorites for Front-Line War Coverage
Afghanistan's Taliban government is granting access to the front lines for favored U.S. TV networks, while those expected to give negative coverage are priced out of the market with exorbitant visa fees, the New York Times reported Thursday.
"Reporters on the scene and news executives in the United States said that winning entry to the [front lines] depended on being a news outlet that the Afghan rulers wanted to use to convey their message. But it was also the result of having the right connections - or in the parlance of foreign correspondents, the right 'fixer.'"
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/11/1/103534
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 01:31:09 PM new
I used to think that Bush was an idiot. I was wrong. The man is a genius! It's amazing how easily the man manipulates the American public.
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internationalgolf
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posted on November 1, 2001 01:39:41 PM new
Or... you may be the idiot.
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 01:52:40 PM new
Yes... watching the WTC towers fall, seeing some of the best and bravest firefighters in the world murdered was great manipulation on Bush's part.
Unless of course it was the space aliens and Bush, and the oil companies manipulating the American public.
The only conspiracy going on is the one to manipulate our country's survival and security. 80% of Americans support and participate in that conspiracy. LONG LIVE THE CONSPIRACY !!
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 01:53:14 PM new
internationalgolf
Judging from your first comment in this thread. I'm voting for you.
Enought insults?
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 01:59:40 PM new
"Yes... watching the WTC towers fall, seeing some of the best and bravest firefighters in the world murdered was great manipulation on Bush's part."
I didn't say Bush had anything to do with that, nor did I say anything about a conspiracy. I just said that he is manipulating the American public and he's good at it.
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kraftdinner
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:00:50 PM new
I agree with you totally REAMOND.
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:02:10 PM new
"80% of Americans support and participate in that conspiracy. LONG LIVE THE CONSPIRACY !!"
Just because the majority believe something doesn't make it true. Surely you know that. I don't really care or base my beliefs on what is popular obviously.
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:07:24 PM new
Yeah- he's good at it. He's one of the worst public speakers to ever occupy the office.
I pointed out explicitly what has "manipulated" the American people, and it has little to do with Bush's abilities.
Some people get "manipulated", motivated, and willing to risk their lives when they see their fellow citizens murdered in cold blood.
Bush - the great manipulator. You gotta be kidding.
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NearTheSea
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:08:35 PM new
I don't understand the ones that say that the bombing of Afghanistan is wrong, or however you put it.
I would like to know then, what course of action should the U.S. have done after the United States was essentially attacked, and attacked hard on Sept. 11?
uaru-you got it right about the tabloids 
don't you remember Men in Black? That is were they got all there leads and sources, from the rags like the National Enquirer
[email protected]
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krs
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:10:01 PM new
Really reamond, the Franklin Steak House
and Tavern in Nutley, N.J. is where all the average americans eat and drink? LOL! Great Fox link. Are you by any chance related to lindak?
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:10:39 PM new
The conspiracy I refer to has nothing to do with popular opinion. As I stated 80% of Americans support the conspiracy to protect our survival and security.
It has nothing to do with Bush, or any manipulation. We have been attacked.
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:12:22 PM new
well krs, my link provided a larger sampling than yours.
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krs
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:14:14 PM new
Smart bombs as a humanitarian gesture! How dumb can you get? It's smart bombs to hit targets with little risk, but even so they admit to hitting a hospital not once by accident, not twice, but three times. Pretty dumb smart bombs.
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krs
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:16:51 PM new
A larger sampling perhaps, and understandably so considering the free drinks on Tuesdays, but my link was from a source recommended by uaru as reliable. LOL!
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:22:44 PM new
The smart bombs are the best available. As I pointed out before, had any other military force dropped the tonnage we did, there would be thousands of civilian casualities.
I wouldn't be too sure that what was hit was a hospital.
It was reported that a senior citizens retirement center was hit too. But then someone pointed out that the average life span in Afghanistan is 40, and there never were any old folks homes in Afghanistan, the elderly all stayed with their families.
It is also the case that the Taliban and crew will hide out in any place that we will not target.
If the Taliban hides in a hospital, school, or mosque, the military can hit it with my blessing.
The military may also be in the position not to deny hitting "innocent" targets so as not to reveal intellegence sources.
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:24:42 PM new
"We have been attacked."
A fact. Not disputed.
The point I've been attempting to make all along is the "war in Afganistan" is going to do nothing to stop terrorism.
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outoftheblue
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:27:14 PM new
This war against terrorism cannot be won. Not with military force anyway. That's the manipulation.
[ edited by outoftheblue on Nov 1, 2001 02:28 PM ]
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:32:48 PM new
Well... if you're ready to fly the white flag, go on over to the Taliban and surrender.
I haven't seen anything to point to the conclusion that military force will not be effective in this war. It will not be the only element we use, but it is far too early to say that it will not be effective.
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krs
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:47:22 PM new
What surrender? There's no war with the Taliban except in the news and the minds of simple people. As far as has been determined terrorists not taliban attacked the WTC. I doubt there's a taliban who could've affored the plane fare. So what are we bombing them for, again? Revenge? Well, THEY didn't do the nasty. I think that the bombing of Afganistan is continuing because of the administration's frustration at not having been able to get Bin Laden, because there's billions to be made by whoever controls that country, to foster a make believe need for renewed governmental spending on all of those things that republicans make money making, and to put on a reelection show in advance without using a campaign fund dime.
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internationalgolf
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:49:46 PM new
"This war against terrorism cannot be won. Not with military force anyway. That's the manipulation.
There you go... proving my point!
LOL!
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krs
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posted on November 1, 2001 02:51:28 PM new
Not only that, but the war fervor in this country will die off now that football season has begun.
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 03:06:39 PM new
We have declared war on terrorists and the people that support them, which includes the Taliban. Some people just don't listen and create dream worlds of conspiracies and plain nonsense.
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Antiquary
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posted on November 1, 2001 03:11:06 PM new
LOL @ football season
Yes, Ken, that's what bothers me so much about the rabid pro-death sentiment that I see, though thankfully I don't see it locally much. It one thing to become involved in Afghanistan because it's necessary for our defense, or to seek justice, but when people begin to enjoy all the killing and bombing a little too much I begin to wonder. It seems to resemble some sort of elaborate entertainment being provided for their benefit. Sort of the old Christian and lions that the Romans provided.
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 03:16:02 PM new
The only rabid pro death sentiments that have been demonstrated have been by the Islamic terrorists.
I don't think they watch American football.
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rawbunzel
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posted on November 1, 2001 03:18:49 PM new
We were attacked on Sept. 11. I don't think anyone disputes that. Shortly after the attacks our "President" came on the TV and told us that this would be a war unlike any we have seen. There wouldn't be pictures of bombed out buildings or casualties. OH NO ~ THIS war was going to be different ~ fought covertly, undercover, sneaky like. We wouldn't see a THING on the TV or know what was happening. Well it looks like the same old war to me. Planes flying,bombs dropping and people getting killed that really shouldn't be. But hey, we were attcked weren't we? Send in the ground troops. Then we'll see some pictures. We are in another quagmire, much like Vietnam. We will be there for years and it will grow into Iraq before you know it. Can't you see how we are being brainwashed into believing that Saddam is behind the Anthrax? With no proof what-so-ever?
I agree. The whole darn thing is about money and oil. Don't you ever wonder why this "President" had to be elected? Why this is all happening as if right on some schedule? [just a few months into his Presidency] Well, I do wonder. I'm not the only one.
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REAMOND
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posted on November 1, 2001 03:24:32 PM new
No one, Bush or otherwise, said there wouldn't be any bombed out buildings or casualities. Quite the opposite was said.
What is happening in the war on terrorism is nothing like Vietnam.
Even if Iraq isn't behind the anthrax, there are plenty of other reasons to take Saddam out.
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krs
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posted on November 1, 2001 03:39:45 PM new
Reamond, you said that "We have declared war on terrorists and the people that support them". Better check again because little boy was very careful NOT to declare war on anybody.
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Antiquary
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posted on November 1, 2001 03:42:56 PM new
Yes, I remember all of that Robin, which concerned me equally because the impression was that we would know nothing at all about what was happening. The inability to control the foreign press dashed those hopes.
What is beginning to concern me a great deal are the constantly conflicting messages about our purposes and strategy. They have altered almost weekly. Just as the shift from bin Laden to then the Taliban, various degrees of support for the Northern Alliance, we are going to send in special forces, then we aren't. We began with Afghanistan the impression was that it was going to be a matter of weeks, then perhaps months, now no one knows. I'm wondering what anyone knew from the beginning at this point. It's almost like bin Laden and the Taliban were an afterthought.
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