I haven't directed any comments to you so I don't understand your unprovoked outrage. Like you, I have my opinion and the right to post it here.
Whenever I mention a concern about the innocent people in Afghanistan, somebody will invariably point out the 5,000 people killed here....as if I may be unaware or uncaring about this tragedy. So I pointed out in my comment that I had not forgotten these people. Your interpretation , below, of my comment is wrong. I can't think of any living person who would have no compassion for those people and their families. What an insulting comment!
<start of your quote>
"Get in the way. I won't mention the unmentionable here, as it pisses some off (you know, what happened in Sept. when some big buildings and a lot of people 'got in the way') If someone keeps bringing it up, they say 'we know all that' and its like 'shut up already about it, we've heard enough' We need to have compassion for the innocent Afghanis that are starving and getting killed! "
<end your quote>
Then you mention, a parrot.. Are you the parrot of everyone with which you may happen to agree? My opinions are based on a number of influences...past and present.
posted on November 3, 2001 03:13:22 PM new
You just have to love the logic of people who say that the innocent people and buildings that are destroyed "get in the way", as if the bad guys are hiding behind them and they are targets that must be obliterated.
What is happening in Afganistan is just revenge and nothing good will come of it.
[ edited by outoftheblue on Nov 3, 2001 03:15 PM ]
posted on November 3, 2001 04:18:20 PM new"What is happening in Afganistan is just revenge and nothing good will come of it."
Huh outoftheblue?? Terrorist camps have been struck. Airport runways have been compromised. Military weapons storage facilities have been bombed. Planes destroyed, etc., etc. The aim is to leave the Taliban defenseless by bombing key targets. If the U.S. were on a revenge mission, I doubt they'd be using these tactics when nuclear weapons are so readily available.
posted on November 3, 2001 04:28:51 PM new
krs, and the rest of you pacifists are just incredible. WHAT do you want????
Terrorists declared war on us. They attacked our country, killed our citizens, crippled our mail service because of the anthrax fear.
Do you honestly believe 'making nice' with that type of people is going to work? You keep talking about negotiation-exactly what are you going to offer them to leave us alone? Your lunch money won't get this bully to leave!
As for the bit about the war being purely political strategy by the Republicans, that's SICK. Even someone as closed minded as you can't really believe that.
God knows, those photgraphs make me sick at my stomach. But the days when soldiers dressed up in pretty red uniforms and fought out in the field while spectators sat in their buggies watching and having picnic lunches is gone. War is horrible-people get hurt, and that's a fact. But WE didn't start this war!
You're such an expert, krs-quit spouting propaganda, and political fairy tales. YOU give us one intelligent suggestion as to how to stop the terrorists. YOU tell us how to win a war without damaging the scenery or the citizens. Anyone can start an argument, that doesn't take intelligence, only a memory for inconsequential and probably incorrect tidbits of propaganda. Prove you know what you're talking about-or shut up.
posted on November 3, 2001 04:43:24 PM newProve you know what you're talking about-or shut up.
[quote]No matter how well prepared for war we may be, no matter how certain we are that within 24 hours we could destroy Kuibyshev and Moscow and Lenningrad and Baku and all the other places that would allow the Soviets to carry on war, I want you [a group of military officers] to carry this question home with you: Gain such a victory, and what do you do with it? Here would be a great area from the Elbe to Vladivostok and down through Southeast Asia torn up and destroyed without government, without its communications, just an area of starvation and disaster. I ask you what would the civilized world do about it? I repeat, there is no victory in any war except through our imagination, through our dedication, and through our work to avoid it."[/quote]
I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its stupidity
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Helen, lol! You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on November 3, 2001 04:51:06 PM new
kraftdinner
So when are they going to actually go in there and get something done? They are just sitting back, playing it safe and saying to the world, "look how superior we are."
Popular opinion is not even going to be on their side for long. Already, a coalition of churches has called for them to quit bombing, fearing that millions will starve during the winter.
I can't believe how near sighted people are. The end of this will be as the end of the Gulf war. Little will be accomplished and the Middle Eastern People will be even more ticked off. The bad guys will still be at large and things will be worse than before.
[ edited by outoftheblue on Nov 3, 2001 04:58 PM ]
I can understand feeling empathy for the "innocent". But a simple point is that you Know what everyone else knows: virtually nothing.
krs puts up some photos from a muslim news service taken (supposedly) in Afghanistan, a country at war for 20yrs and filled with landmines, and you leap to the barricades to have us cease the slaughter. You are illogical because your ingrained mindset is that we are always wrong and you can't let facts get in your way.
Most of the people here are angry based on confirmed facts:
1) A big hole in NYC with verified dead people.
2) independent foreign coverage of Afghanistan which documents people crushed under a religious dictatorship.
If presented with the ability to choose I wonder what the Afghans would say at the prospect of removing the Taliban at the expense of the current attacks.
Tony
6,000 Bombs and 27 Days Later, U.S. Preaches Patience (Update1)
By Glen Justice and Tony Capaccio
Washington, Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. planes have flown more than 2,000 missions over Afghanistan in the last 27 days, dropping more than 6,000 bombs.
Some have loosed 5,000-pound ``bunker busters'' that burrow deep into the earth. Others dropped cluster bombs that fragment into smaller explosives designed to kill people.
Gunships fired howitzers and machine guns. Submarines and ships launched more than 95 cruise missiles. Helicopters have ferried in commandos. And a flying broadcast station has aired more than 300 hours of U.S. propaganda.
Still, four weeks into assaults on Afghanistan, the Taliban rule the country, Osama bin Laden, suspected in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the U.S., remains at large, and opposition forces haven't gained ground.
President George W. Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld find themselves defending U.S. military progress against the Taliban -- and preaching patience.
posted on November 3, 2001 05:29:45 PM newOthers dropped cluster bombs that fragment into smaller explosives designed to kill people.
Yup. That's what bombs are designed to do. However commercial airliners are not designed to kill people. I suppose that if Afghanistan had any airlines we could fly a few of those into the ground. Oh well, just have to make do with "bombs".
By the way, Bin Laden supposedly released a statement on video today. Does anyone know what it was about? I missed it on the news.
posted on November 3, 2001 05:38:06 PM new
I returned because can does anyone know of any other addresses to AW beside [email protected] to remove my stuff from here?
I never threw anything at you hjw, I only offered to buy you a plane ticket.
And as your news article indicates we are airing loads of propaganda to the Afghani people, what do you think the Taliban Regime and others are doing over there? Playing Grateful Dead over the airways???
KatyD, yes we'll have to do with bombs, I didn't see nor hear about the video, I haven't been here for awhile today.
desquirrel-from all I could see of the photos, they could have been a set of ones from the Christians Children Fund for the starving children in Bosnia, Somalia, wherever.
posted on November 3, 2001 05:41:31 PM new
desquirrel
I had formed my opinion about this war before I saw a picture of Afghanistan. I think you are wrong to tell me that I know nothing.
I understand your anger but sometimes anger prevents logical thinking. You picture me as reacting to pictures in an emotional way, leaping barracades to stop the slaughter.
The truth is that my opinion was formed before I saw the first picture of Afghanistan. My opinion was formed before the word War was spoken.
The remaining portion of your post makes no logical sense to me.
You mention two facts. The demolition of the WTC and the fact that the Afghanistan people are religiously persecuted.
Helen, lol!