posted on February 24, 2002 04:53:10 AM new
DeSquirrel, your last comments are so far out there in Fantasy Land that it isn't worth the effort to educate you. Keep to your ludicrious notions, nonsensical logic, and palp that slops from the Republican Blather Machine for your own opinions. If you decide in the future to stick to researched facts and some common sense, I'll be happy to debate the issues with you. I'm not saying that you are purposely misleading people, but that you've been purposely mislead by other misguided people.
posted on February 24, 2002 10:45:35 AM new
Somehow I knew you wouldn't answer the questions. You people seldom do.
You have the same problem Borillar does. You start out with your own wacky pre-conceived notion and then go to absurd extremes to "prove" it.
If you find an error in something I wrote, dispute it. An no, "my housepainter said Einstein got it all wrong" is not a proper reply.
A very simple illustration of my point is one of my first responses to a Borillar post. He said "out here everyone hates George Bush". Now, Borillar hates George. But if I were he, I could NEVER make a statement like that because it is simply untrue. (At the time the approval rating was 88%.)
Since you found the "farm" topic so amusing, I could gladly lookup the statistics on the NJ greenhouse and hydroponic yields.
posted on February 24, 2002 12:20:24 PM new
First off you dod not ask any questions.
Second off you are the one making unfounded generalities.
I did dispute your idiotic statement about noyt needing seasons. You answered it with the ignorant suggestion that there would be enough hydroponic farms in your state to feed the nation. a fantasy at best. Do you want to heat your home or a tomato ?
You are confusing Bonilar's post with Mine. While we both agree on many things I answer for What I said and He For His.
He said Everyone hates Bushm I'm sorry But first off I don't know that he said that I think you hear what you want to hear.
I actually see too many people like you in a fascist lockstep mindlessly not questioning the actions of this silver spooned drunk. Its Uunamerican not to question authority Look up the Boston Tea party.
I found your farm suggestion pathetic.
I feel that you might be at a pic nic without the sandwiches.
posted on February 24, 2002 04:57:28 PM new" I think you hear what you want to hear. "
That's certainly been the case with DeSquirrel in my experience. For instance, he brings up a prior thread where we were discussing oil and fuel. He claims that I talked about a perpetual motion machine, but he was and is misguided about the nature of the contraption by listening what he wants to hear and that is only himself, IMO.
A Perpetual Motion machine, by definition, is a device that breaks the Second Law of Thermodynamics; that is, it exists in a closed energy system without the effects of entropy (decay).
My efforts to make DeSquirrel understand that this was not a closed energy system that I proposed went unheard as he continued to blatantly misclassify what I was talking about as a perpetual motion device. To talk about that device in a serious manner meant that he would have to discuss things intelligently. And we now know that his figures are based upon Republican propaganda and not on any facts.
Borillar
"Real friends don't let friends vote republican"
posted on February 24, 2002 06:46:48 PM new
Now here is where I question statements like you just made Borilar.
You said
And we now know that his figures are based upon Republican propaganda and not on any facts.
I am old and I am retired, but I still can comprehend sentences, if they make sense.
I have voted Republican. I have voted Democratic. Mainly I still hold to the Republican platform.
As in all politics, and as with most politicians, yes there can be propaganda, however, its not based soley on one party.
As I understand you are not Republican, and hold beliefs in another party, that is your right. But I do not see any real debate here, as it looks like (I did say look like) you do not want to hear another side.
(I see people being quoted over and again on what they post)
I have skimmed through old posts, read through some. As some threads titles begin as something, it seems to turn again to a Bush/Republican thrashing, even when a thread is about 'Men and Women' or some such title(something that started as non political)
I came here through a favorite seller of mine, who I have bought from over the last couple years. And I came by this name by my grandson, as he is always going about saying "yeah, ok, sure"
I did think there may be some lively debate here. Maybe there is.
I will continue to read, some are amusing. Some I have to shake my head.
posted on February 24, 2002 09:30:33 PM new"As I understand you are not Republican, and hold beliefs in another party, that is your right."
Why is it, then, that every time a Republican hears someone getting angry at the Republican politicians, they automatically assume that the critic is part of another party -- shall I dare say it -- the Democratic Party!
You did not state WHICH party, but I must tell you that there is no party for me! None represent my thoughts and interests. I can only classify myself as a moderate progressive and firmly believes in the concepts established by our founding fathers.
The question I have is this: why is it that every time that Republicans are in charge, the U.S. Constitution is always under attack by them? Why do they always seek to pervert and to destroy the Constitution? What is WRONG with you people anyway? Why do you HATE the U.S. Constitution? What's the matter with you?
And please -- don't tell me that you are from the Old Republican Party. They don't exist anymore. It publically collapsed when Geo. Bush Sr. declared a New World Order and all of the old time Republican politicians retired or resigned. Since then, the GOP is an arm of a marriage of Corporate Fascism and Christian Fascism -- both of whom see the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights as their mortal enemy. I'm sick of hearing you people go on and on about the Republican party: it ain't the Republican Party anymore! It's gone! It's DEAD! There is a demon in it's place! And so if you want to keep claiming to be a Republican, then you should be ashamed of yourselves.
My Two Centum!
Borillar
"Real friends don't let friends vote republican"
posted on February 25, 2002 07:55:36 AM new
yeahoksure
I know just what you mean, they keep calling me a Republican, but I just let it slide. These guys must be the life of the party. I have no problem with differing "opinions" even those I considered inane, but when it comes to stringing together dozens of "theories" (to put it mildly) and then announcing "See, we proved it." I cringe. I've had too much training in disciplines that require a hypothesis to be substantiated and "proved" by facts.
posted on February 25, 2002 08:00:04 AM new
Borillar,
You're quite right, the term "perpetual motion" machine was my quote. I believe you referred to a French "scientist" who invented a machine that once started produced more energy that it used. And that the evil corporations were "keeping him down". Do you also believe in the "400 mpg" carburetor story??
posted on February 25, 2002 08:14:43 AM new
desquirrel have you stuck your head in those hydroponics that are going top feed the whole world so we don't need seasons yet, I know exactly what you are now, it's not a republican so much as the type of fool, who looks at a printout of 3,500 steps that must be taken by the operators of a nuclear power plant. and says Gee this is safe yet a layman who has seen the wife drive with the parking brake on, or seen tools break on the job knows better. you guys are fine for suggestions and opinions but if we let you run the place it would soon all be one big love canal.
evasions aspersions and fallicies are what you have made your postions with which chamges faster than a prozac induced blackout.
posted on February 25, 2002 09:26:34 AM new
Borillar
I do apologize for 'catagorizing' you in one or another, or any political party.
I do not hate the Consititution. I do not know where you have the idea that that is what the Republican party stands..
As for any Old Republican Party, I again, do not know what you mean. I also don't know what you mean about a Demon being in its place.
I am not ashamed of being affliated, if that is what you wish to call it, with the Republican party.
As the dictionary defines it, Fascism is Totalitarianism, marked by right wing dictatorship and a bellicose Nationalism. As for right wing, we do have a right wing President, but not a dictator. (though I'm sure you will say he is) And as for as bellicose nationalism, there are not enough war mongering citizens in this country, when we have people like you.
As Fascism is defined you CANNOT have it in any democratic or republic system.
posted on February 25, 2002 01:02:06 PM new
yeakoksure: You are like a lot of Republicans that have been around for a while. You missed recognizing the most important events in you party in the last decade, however. The Republican party and its planks are gone, demolished. A shell now stands where it once was so filled with promise. During the 1990's, the Republican party was invaded by Corporate Fasicsts and Christian Fascists. The last decent Republican to leave the party was Bob Dole, who I felt very badly for during the election when he forced himself to stick to the new party line and publically compare smoking cigarettes with drinking a glass of milk. I did not agree with many of his stances, but I knew him to be a man of great integrity and that earned my repsect for him. To see him shatter to the core in making that statement which he knew to be false, he lost all of his will to run for President after that.
But that was at the end of the process. When Geo. Bush Sr. took over the Executive Branch, a great many old-time Republican politicans threw in the towel. And while Bush was President, a great many more retired or resigned for one lame reason or another. It was all too obvious what was going on: they were too stink'n proud to be around the likes of Bush and his New World Order and wouldn't have any part of it.
In their place, the power vacuum was filled with Newt Gingrich's New Republicans. And the party has never been the same since.
Too many pre-Bush Republicans still think that this is the same party with the same values as they grew up with. It's not. And when old-time Republicans still live in a fantasy world that their beloved party has not changed, even though it should be obvious enough to someone paying attention, then hopefully some of them would listen to me.
Don't get me wrong: I think that the old-time Republicans who want to take back their party has all of my support! But I think that it would be better if the curent "Republican" party kept not a single seat inthe next few elections and the old-time Republicans should go sit with the Buchannon faction if that suits their tastes more.
But I will not be told by you or anyone else that the Emporer is wearing clothes when I can see for myself that he isn't -- know what I mean?
As far as Fascism and its dictionary meaning goes, you have to realize that the purpose of a dictionary is to only give the CURRENT meaning(s) to words, not the CORRECT meanings to any word! Big distinction there. Where once Fascism was equated with and explained by references to Moussilini and Hitler's political parties, new types of non-millitaristic Fascism has evolved in its place. And in American politics today, it comes in the form of the Corporate takeover and the Christian factions that act every bit as much as Hitler once did (and saying the same things too!)
Does that explain things to you well enough? More questions happily answered.
Borillar
"Real friends don't let friends vote republican"
posted on February 25, 2002 01:04:56 PM new"I believe you referred to a French "scientist" who invented a machine that once started produced more energy that it used. And that the evil corporations were "keeping him down". Do you also believe in the "400 mpg" carburetor story??"
If that's what you wish to believe, have fun!
Borillar
"Real friends don't let friends vote republican"
and I am retired, but I still can comprehend sentences, if they make sense.