posted on March 9, 2002 02:26:17 PM new
There's not too much positive to say about American politics and politicos, except they provide great fodder. That's why we call them political animals.
I like Jim Hightower and Jim Mattox (aka Pit Bull). You have the right to an informed opinion -Harlan Ellison
posted on March 9, 2002 04:25:11 PM new
Samuel Adams. George Washington. Thomas Jefferson. Benjamin Franklin. Abraham Lincoln. Roosevelt - both. Truman.
posted on March 9, 2002 06:53:37 PM new"There's no one alive who you would support?"
Show me the staunch Jeffersonian who believes in the ideals of the Enlightenment and Self-Rule forms of government and is both willing to reform our government and has the support of a political party and this nation of voters. Like Jesus said, when asked what He came to do, He said that he wasn't there to change the old ways, but to return to them. What politician lives today that so strongly believes in the principles that guided our Founding Fathers to create this type of government Of the People, By the People, For the People, that he is willing to risk all, do what needs to be done, and has the willpower and strength to do so? What presidential candidate alive in America today isn't set to the lowest common denominator - so low, the refuse of the party that they belong to? Who is this mystery politician? Where is He or She?
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posted on March 9, 2002 10:27:50 PM new
I probably would have, Irene. Samuel Adams is a historical hero of mine. He was a troublemaker and a brewer of more than just beer. George Washington was the First Grand Master of Freemasons for the State of Virginia and he had a great reputation that was well founded. When offered to be King of America at the end of his term as President, he turned it down and surrendered his office. Thomas Jefferson was an Enlightened person himself and like Washington, stepped down when he could have become King. Abraham Lincoln already had an unimpeachable reputation as a lawyer in Illinois and that is something few politicians have today -- if any at all. Teddy believed in the ideals of both America and Capitalism and did a lot for both and refused to Sell-Out. FDR, although an American Aristocrat, was a True man of the people and anyone knowing him beforehand would have not have surprised at how he took care of Americans and America. Truman was a 33rd Degree Freemason. The 33rd Degree is not earned, but bestowed upon a man of great honor and values that has done so much for humanity.
You see, Irene, it's not so hard to spot the Sell-Outs from those whose reputations for both honesty and excellence are unimpeachable. The greatest PR campaign that has succeeded these days is that to win political office, you need money. The truth is, you actually need VOTES (or a rogue Supreme Court to appoint you into office over the objection of the majority of voters). This is a lesson that they have to learn. Had they instead of falling asleep in their American History classes, politicians had Honor, an infallible reputation for being for the People of this country, then they would never have to worry about getting into office. But where is one, I ask you?
posted on March 9, 2002 10:53:59 PM new
Although it's not possible, I'd love to see Clinton back in office. Even if he had sex with Monica a million times, I still think he was a fabulous President.
What about you Irene??
"Sometimes when we touch, the honesty's too much....."
posted on March 10, 2002 12:28:49 AM new
About the only current person that comes to mind is Colin Powell. He be good, but has steadily refused over the years to even consider doing it.
If one could resurrect someone, I'd go for Truman, John Adams or FDR.
posted on March 10, 2002 08:13:54 AM new
This is a hard question. Before recent months, I would have said Hilary Clinton, or John Kennedy. But now, I tend to be more wary on picking a name out of a hat of many that I "heard" were good presidents or could be. However, I do lean towards Colin Powell.
I heard somewhere that Jesse Ventura is thinking about running. Him...maybe, but I need to study up more on what his personality is like. If push came to shove...I might go along with Bill again too.
posted on March 10, 2002 10:34:48 AM new
Yes kd...Venture wont take BS, but what he does in Minn is a far cry from what he could or would or might do as prez. I find I get too damn disappointed after someone I think will do well winds up in office and then it goes to their head and they dont watch out for the rest of the country.
Actually, I wish the time would fly and we were already ready to vote for a replacement NOW. I am very fearful of the next 3 years.
posted on March 10, 2002 11:02:15 AM new
You hit the nail on the head Hep. What a Presidential candidate says to get elected usually has nothing to do with what happens when he is elected.
A decent person wouldn't last. Look at Jimmy Carter...
"Sometimes when we touch, the honesty's too much....."
posted on March 10, 2002 11:30:10 AM new
I wish it could be Clinton. I can't trust Powell, because he's too close to Bush. I don't like Gore, but that's who was running. I can't think of any Democrats who have shown any strenth. I would like to know more about James Jeffers think that's his name.
posted on March 10, 2002 04:01:01 PM new"Can people really expect to hold politicians to higher moral plane than they hold themselves?"
No. Benjamin Franklin was a womanizer like Clinton and moreso. Like Clinton, he was highly intelligent and loved to dabble into politics. I would have voted him into office , if I could have and if he would have wanted it (he turned it down) if I had knowingly known ahead of time what his personal "Christian" virtues were.
Conversely, people CAN and SHOULD be expected to hold politicians to a higher plane of citizenship. By that I mean, that We the People put them (politicians) into office. We do so for one and only one reason in our Democratically-based system: to REPRESENT US in all matters. That is the One, the Only, the Single Sole reason why they are there at all! Period!
posted on March 10, 2002 05:12:41 PM new
Borillar, by higher moral plane I meant integrity and honesty. People don't seem bothered by lying politicians. I kind of question the integrity of a politician who lies when it is expedient.
posted on March 10, 2002 07:16:16 PM new
"Who Do You Want for President?"
Irene, here in America one gets more mileage out of such a question if it is asked in this way: "Which actor would you like to have as President?"
Within that parameter, I'd go for Joanne Woodward and Paul Newman -- either one in the prime spot -- or Ozzie Davis and Ruby Dee, again with either in the front seat.
If I could select from amongst the living whom I know personally, I'd vote with enthusiasm for Municipal Court Judge, Peggy Hora.
From national waters past, I'd heartily endorse former Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders.
If I were to resort to the attractive pursuit of dead candidates a la Borillar, I would walk 'til my soles were bloodied to elect Martin Luther King, Jr. Or Barbara Jordan. Or Shirley Chisholm. Or Bobby Kennedy. In that order.
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