posted on March 21, 2002 08:05:34 PM new
LOL- nice one nycyn.
The destruction of Israel is not just a PLO policy, it is the policy of the Arab world. The PLO has never taken the 'destruction of Israel' covenant out of their articles. Other Arab states pour money into the PLO to support these terrorists acts.
If the PLO had acted in the best interests of the Palestinians instead of the greater Arab world, they would have their own nation right now.
I think the events have spoken loudly that the PLO doesn't want peace or their own country, they want Israel destroyed.
There isn't a nation on earth that would remain idle or act with the restraint Israel has demonstrated if their neighboring peoples had sworn their destruction and was commiting terrorist acts.
Israel is the only robust democracy in the region. While Israel's treatment of Palestinians in Israel is far from perfect, they are treated far better than their treatment at the hands of Syria or Jordan, their Arab "brothers".
The Palestinians have a lot to lose pursuing their present course. Sooner or later Israel will do what is necessary to obtain their security, and there will be no Palestinian nation.
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Arabs rioted followed the UN vote
Britain handed the problem to the United Nations. On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly voted to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab sectors.
There was violent and total Arab opposition, but wild Jewish acclaim. Fighting started almost immediately.
Even before the mandate ended, in April and May, Jewish fighters moved to protect, consolidate and widen the territory for the new Jewish state. Often they attacked areas designated for Arabs, and tried to depopulate Arab areas in the planned Jewish sector.
Palestinian refugee camp in Jericho
On April 9, Jewish fighters massacred more than 200 Palestinian villagers, including old people, women and children, in the West Jerusalem village of Deir Yassin, causing widespread panic and greatly augmenting the flight of Palestinians from their homes across the country
----------And they have no hesitation about using terrorist methods themselves. They want the territory and they will do anything to have it.
----and it really doesn't matter that "the area was theirs thousands of years ago." That holds true almost everywhere in the world--that there were peoples there before the current population arrived. By that argument, we should just hand the US over to the Indians and decamp (for where?), so should much of the population of South America, Canada, Australia, England, etc.
Its funny that what we decry and bemoan about in the past is A-OK in the present...
posted on March 21, 2002 10:42:48 PM new
Totally forget the past. Start from today.
We have only two premises- Israel is a sovereign democratic nation. The PLO is out to destroy Israel.
I hope Israel prevails, and really do not care if the PLO wastes its chances for its own nation.
It has nothing to do with religion, ethnicity, or anything else besides Israel being a robust democracy. I could care less if we have another Arab terrorist nation.
For that matter, if the Israelis pushed the Palestinians back into Jordan and Syria and took all the land it would be just fine with me, and the PLO further justifies it with each terrorist act.
Ultimately, the debate will go on forever, but might will make right. If the battle is joined, I'll support the only rational democracy in the region, and back them to the hilt.
posted on March 22, 2002 12:18:14 AM new
All things being relative, try going to an Arab state and living, and then go to Israel.
By comparison Israel is a garden of eden compared to any other place in the region.
Arabs actually live better in Israel than in Arab countries.
Israel represents freedom and democracy in the region. That is the real threat to Saudi Arabia, The PLO, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Jordan, et al.
Israel is a piece of the 21srt century laying smack in the middle of the Dark Ages. Given a peaceful footing, Israel will outstrip the region economically, socially, politically, in short order. Arabs would be standing in line to become citizens of Israel. These are the reasons they want Israel destroyed.
posted on March 22, 2002 02:28:51 AM new
If a fellow is programming computers or building automobiles it is just too hard to jump up five times a day and do the rug diving thing every time the mulla calls to prayers.
Islam in a strict form does not work with personal liberty or an industrial culture.
posted on March 22, 2002 03:28:19 AM new
wake up call, Israel Spies on the USA like in the Pollard case, Israel Has Murdered American Servicemen Like In the USS LIberty.
Israel is just another secular state. Israel is not pro USA Israel is pro Israel. Isreal has too much influence in the USA, We need our Money here at home Let the Idiots fight each other without Our Help.
posted on March 22, 2002 05:03:33 AM new
I suspect that the government feels Israel is an "unbreakable" ally, like England, that is their ace in the hole if it all hits the fan at once in the oil producing region. I am not sure they are getting their money's worth.
The US has never staged out of Israel when they had the Saudi's etc, but who knows what agreements they have in place?
posted on March 22, 2002 05:58:14 AM new
auroranorth- Everybody spies on everybody. The only sin is getting caught. We spy on Israel, Israel spies on us. France spies on us, as does England and Germany. Watch your enemies close, but watch your friends even closer.
Ultimately Israel has to be for Israel, just the U.S. must ultimately meet its own interests.
posted on March 22, 2002 06:20:57 AM new
The fact is is that Pat Buchanon is right washington dc is Israeli occupied territory. We do not give France 50 billuion a year. 98% of our foreign aid goes to one country. The money is then used to hold our corrupt polititcians in line. Now before you start ravibng about anti semitism, I would like to say I really wanted to see peace over there and I am well aware of the war that the moslems have waged without let up on the USA since her Birth. Washington saidd to beware of foreign entanglements we do not need Israel. Israel as a nation needs pyschiatric counseling much like an abused child growing up to be an abuser. The current leadership is arrogant, hostile, and exceedingly vicious, they have had just as much a hand in the current problems as the PLO. Sharon enginerred this to bring up a failing political movement. it's time the UN stepped in and tried him for war crimes. Kids throwing rocks do not justify kids run over with tanks, either that or the next time a crip or other subhuman kills a white here maybe we should strafe the ghetto for 2 dys.
posted on March 22, 2002 07:46:48 AM new
In 2002 dollars we gave France far more than we have ever given Israel, including our own blood. You can add to the list Germany, England, and Japan. These were good investments, as is an investment in Israel.
We give billions of dollars to Egypt too. And we gave this aid so Israel would give back the land it captured from Egypt when Egypt, Syria, Jordan et al attacked Israel.
We do need Israel. They are the only democracy in the region. They are the only foothold of Western values in the region.
posted on March 22, 2002 07:52:54 AM new
Wanted to add- Egypt is the only country getting U.S. aid and sends terrorists to attack us, as well as preaching at the mosques "death to America".
posted on March 22, 2002 08:27:38 AM new
Can you explain three Isrealis in a white moving van celebrating hours after the WTC attack--clapping each other on the back and laughing and dancing and photographing each other with the fallen buildings as a backdrop?
They're either still in custody or they may have been returned to Isreal--no one admits to knowing, but the boxcutters, thousands in cash, and all of the passports found in the van are probably in a box somewhere in FBI headquarters.
posted on March 22, 2002 08:55:16 AM new
HELL krs, we can't explain who killed Kennedy, or MLK, or if man really set foot on the moon, and you want to know about some Israelis in a white Van ? Geeze !!
posted on March 22, 2002 09:13:43 AM newKids throwing rocks do not justify kids run over with tanks....
Consider the following situation. You live in s small town. Outside the town live 100 Hell's Angels. Every day, several Angels bike into town with machine guns and shoot up Main Street, killing as many people as possible.
How would you feel about it? Would you politicize it? Would you argue that if the Angels want the town so much, let's give it to them. Or would you be screaming for blood, and demanding help from the federal government?
Also you must remember that Israel was conceived out of the furnaces of Nazi Germany. The Arabs started every war, and the price Arabs paid was Israel claiming territory needed to preserve security. In total, the county is about one-third the size of California. Compare that to the entire Middle East.
I feel bad for the Palestinians who are caught up in their religious insanity, just like the crazy Mom who drowned her children. But the Israelis have a right to live without constant - daily - threat of murderous terrorism.
BTW, is there some covert agreement that detractors should misspell the name of the country?
posted on March 22, 2002 11:15:19 AM newCan you explain three Isrealis in a white moving van celebrating hours after the WTC attack--clapping each other on the back and laughing and dancing and photographing each other with the fallen buildings as a backdrop?
WHERE do you get this crap? So now you think the JEWS are responsible for 9/11. Total #*!@.
It's okay to have a different political viewpoint about the turmoil in the Middle East, but this "the Jews did it" is pure anti-semite propaganda put out by Muslim fundamentalists. It's just another spin on what Hitler's "Blame the Jews" campaign. Frankly, I'd thought you were more intelligent than to get sucked in by this bullcrap.
LOL! Listen to you! And where, may I ask, do you divine that I've decided any such thing as what you accuse me of, old bat?
Now, as to those israelis in the van, they were reported by several concerned citizens, were arrested, and nothing is known of them since. Your own Fox news made the first report of that incident and several others in a fouur part series in Nov. 2001, later pulled the entire series from their website after protests and expressions of concern brought them to sway to the music.
You, by yourself, can read all about it in this series of links:
posted on March 22, 2002 11:35:44 AM new
Ken, I don't watch Fox news so I wouldn't know if what you are saying is true or not. I don't hate "all things Arab". I try not to "hate" anything or anybody.
Ken, why do you need to belittle and insult anyone who has different viewpoints than your own. It's one thing to debate the point, but to resort to insults doesn't help to get your point across. I can accept that you have your own "ideas" about these topics. Why can't you accept that I have mine without belittling me and insulting me?
posted on March 22, 2002 11:46:17 AM new
Get off it. You ARE the same person who just posted TO ME
"WHERE do you get this crap? So now you think the JEWS are responsible for 9/11. Total #*!@.
It's okay to have a different political viewpoint about the turmoil in the Middle East, but this "the Jews did it" is pure anti-semite propaganda put out by Muslim
fundamentalists. It's just another spin on what Hitler's "Blame the Jews" campaign. Frankly, I'd thought you were more intelligent than to get sucked in by this bullcrap."
are you not? You've been casting around here day after day thrpowing out your idiotic one line insults to myself and borillar and now you think that you can temper down and scold in a reasonable tone?
posted on March 22, 2002 09:32:56 PM new"Borillar, I'm not necessarily averse to making Jerusalem off-limits to to all -- just haven't yet been convinced that the fighting would cease if that territory was removed from the battle."
PLSmith, the thing for me is that they stop using God as an excuse to butcher each other and go butcher each other in the name Hate or the Devil for all I care! I want us OUT of there! These people were butchering each other thousands of years before America was a nation and a thousand years from now they'll still be butchering each other. How do you stop it? You don't! The smart folks get the hell outta there as soon as possible!
posted on March 23, 2002 07:17:40 PM new
dollars spent in the middle east are dollars wasted at best time to stop the bloodsucking by both sides there.
