yellowstone
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posted on May 23, 2002 06:45:33 PM new
Ditto again.
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gravid
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posted on May 23, 2002 06:58:10 PM new
Killing the kid to save it from potential murder sounds so very much like bombing the village to save it from the enemy.
Why not nuke NY so the terrorists won't have a target? That'd teach 'em!
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Helenjw
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posted on May 23, 2002 07:07:55 PM new
Shhhhhh....he might just start a thread on that idea.
ed to change gender.
[ edited by Helenjw on May 23, 2002 07:09 PM ]
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stusi
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posted on May 23, 2002 07:08:04 PM new
twinsoft- thank you for a direct response to a hypothetical question. Others may want to study this post real hard to see that the original thread post was obviously clear enough for someone to intelligently respond(whether I agree or not) without misquoting, miscrediting, playing the semantic game, saying the question was not worth responding to, refusing to answer direct questions etc. It seems, unfortunately, that there are very few here willing or able to discuss ethical issues in a reasonably adult fashion. KatyD, Borillar, REAMOND, gravid- thank you for being mature enough to respond for the most part directly to the issue without game playing. It makes the board tolerable and sometimes informative despite the pigheadedness,immaturity and ignorance of others.
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yellowstone
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posted on May 23, 2002 07:12:12 PM new
.....and there he goes again with the name calling.
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Helenjw
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posted on May 23, 2002 07:12:52 PM new
Thank God I'm in the latter group from his perception, that is.
[ edited by Helenjw on May 23, 2002 07:15 PM ]
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auroranorth
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posted on May 23, 2002 08:02:35 PM new
1.Stusi there you go again with the force thing. I was being honest when I said yuo have a pattern.
2.If anyone out there thinks they are safe from this get a copy of Margaret Coffin Vs Florence County 1985 Federal court Milwaukee wi. filed by Fred hatch atty
3.The Wisconsin ACLU knew what was happening in florence county so did Judicare they both sat on their assets.
4.Dog track tommy thompsons first official act was to stop the investigation.
5.the Gibbons boys death needs to be properly addressed it was clearly a murder.
6.the records are still in the state DHSS files.
7.Auction watch dating pairs stusi with desquirrel
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twinsoft
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posted on May 23, 2002 08:28:59 PM new
Thanks, Stusi. Oh, I'm no angel. In fact, right now I'm sorely tempted to compare HJW's posts to the braying of a jackass. Sorely tempted.... 
P.S. Keep ignoring. You're not missing anything. I'll let you know when she manifestos. LOL
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Helenjw
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posted on May 23, 2002 09:03:17 PM new
<twinsoft's quote>
Thanks, Stusi. Oh, I'm no angel. In fact, right now I'm sorely tempted to compare HJW's posts to the braying of a jackass. Sorely tempted....
P.S. Keep ignoring. You're not missing anything. I'll let you know when she manifestos. LOL
<end of twinsofts quote>
No sweat, twinsoft. I'm sorely tempted to compare your posts to things worse than a braying jackass but so far I've been able to show more restraint than you.
I don't manifesto so that's a useless hope.
I'v never had anyone on ignore. It reminds me of driving down the road with blinders on. It's nice that you hang around to help take care of stusi.
Nothing bothers me much...especially people like you and stusi so don't worry about the expression of your silly little thought.
Take it easy dude.
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krs
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posted on May 23, 2002 09:10:08 PM new
"that so many become confused, are unable to intelligently discuss, get hung up on semantics, and feel that things are not even worth being discussed......... Here they are summarily dismissed or ridiculed except by a few. Sometimes it is possible to pose a question without having made up one's own mind yet the assumption is that the poser has taken a position".
These cannot possibly be the words of Stusi (There's an antisemite behind every Bush) the hypocrite, after his innane explosions of just the other day?
Nah. There must be two Stusis, or a case of the familiar "Pot, Kettle, Black".
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rawbunzel
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posted on May 23, 2002 09:34:45 PM new
you're starting to scare me
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stusi
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posted on May 24, 2002 06:45:45 AM new
I have had Helenjw and krs on the "ignore" function for several days. I have also been in touch with DianaAW as the function works only sporadically. When I asked Helen to spare others etc., it was because her posts seemed to follow mine as though she was responding to me directly. This A.M. the function is not working once again- as such I would like to address krs' accusations. Unlike yourself, I am not a "hit and run" artist. I do not post inflammatory comments,mostly stolen, and then either "disappear" or refuse to respond to direct questions about your supposed comments. I am always available to respond DIRECTLY to those in disagreement and without getting hung up on semantics. Your "days of terror" are over,krs, as you have been exposed for what you are- a coward and very possibly an anti-semite as your comments regarding Israel are taking a more definitive slant. The word you have been laboring over in the crossword puzzle you are doing while waiting for the train is "integrity"- too late the train just left!
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Helenjw
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posted on May 24, 2002 08:45:08 AM new
I am not addressing this comment to stusi because I think that I am on ignore if the function is working. But I do want to point out that calling another individual here an anti-semite is absolutely inappropriate We don't call each other racists or any other such perjorative terms. I don't believe that there are any racists or anti-semitic people here. Showing some sympathy for the plight of the Palestinian civilians is not anti-semitic. I have sympathy for both the Jews and the Palestinian people. What does that make me? According to twinsof, I'm a jackass.
It's my opinion that name calling by both Stusi and Twinsoft is getting out of hand. Other posters here have pointed it out. New people from ebay outlook have mentioned it. It's time to stop it!
Helen
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[ edited by Helenjw on May 24, 2002 08:47 AM ]
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twinsoft
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posted on May 24, 2002 08:50:14 AM new
Helen, you take sheer delight in taunting and insulting others. Pot, kettle, black. Grow up.
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Helenjw
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posted on May 24, 2002 08:55:18 AM new
twinsoft
No, I'm serious. I'm just as serious as others here who have noticed the name calling.
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mezuzas
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posted on May 24, 2002 09:12:32 AM new
Let's see, she/he said it would be better to abort an unborn child as opposed to killing a live newborn but she/he is claiming she/he didn't say the unborn child isn't alive??
This thread gets more and more insane.
It's like where Newsweek had an article about botched abortions where it stated it was sad that the babies who survived the botched abortion became deformed but if the baby had died from the abortion then it's a good thing.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 24, 2002 11:11:59 AM new
OK, a woman that murdered her own baby, is pregnant again. What if this was Susan Smith or Andrea Yates?
I think it's an appropriate question. Not knowing how far along she is in the pregnancy, it's hard to say, but if she's under 2 1/2 months, I would recommend she get an abortion as well. Women that kill their own children shouldn't be allowed to have ANY more imo.
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Helenjw
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posted on May 24, 2002 11:46:23 AM new
I believe that it is the right of a woman to have an abortion. But here, we are talking about FORCED abortion, like in Fascist Germany. This child should not be deprived of life because of the alleged crime of the mother.
Helen
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[ edited by Helenjw on May 24, 2002 11:48 AM ]
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krs
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posted on May 24, 2002 11:57:30 AM new
"Days of Terror" LOL!
Stusi, has it ever occurred to you that I have no interest in any sort of discourse with you, and have not since you painted yourself to be the petty and obtuse little churl that you are in your very first days in this forum when you would continually run to call for the moderator at any hint of what you perceive as antisemitism? No? Well, there it is, plain as the nose on your face.
As to your continual charges of antisemitism may I suggest that you purchase a dictionary? Antisemitism is a dislike or hatred of the jewish people, or people of the Jewish religion. I happen to disagree with many of the actions of the state of Israel, but that isn't quite the same thing, now is it?
By your perverse and paranoic thinking (say thank you for my having allowed for thinking by you) if I took exception to an action by the governor of Alabama then I would must be anti-southern Babtist(ism). Well, hey, I AM anti southernbaptismism but it isn't because of the governor, nor does it have to do with anyone who follows the tenents of that particular reading.
Now go away and put me back on ignore. That BS about it not working is one of the oldest lame excuses in all forumdom.
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krs
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posted on May 24, 2002 12:03:08 PM new
"This child should not be deprived of life because of the alleged crime of the mother".
Stusi's suggestion is more abhorrent than that, Helen. He would have the child killed to save it from the potential future crime of it's mother.
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Helenjw
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posted on May 24, 2002 12:20:41 PM new
Right. Stusi's idea was so abhorrent, I forgot to consider it in my answer.
Helen
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nycyn
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posted on May 24, 2002 12:58:52 PM new
>>I have had Helenjw and krs on the "ignore" function for several days. I have also been in touch with DianaAW as the function works only sporadically.<<
Bang.
I mean, click-ignore.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 24, 2002 01:28:29 PM new
I agree that it's pretty radical Helen, but there aren't very many women out there who would kill there own children.
Trying to think of alternatives in preventing people from killing shouldn't always be termed as Fascist. It's like the thread about castration. I would think a person would do ANYTHING to prevent themselves from harming another person and spending the rest of their lives in jail. Why is it always pictured like it's against everyones will?
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Helenjw
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posted on May 24, 2002 01:56:42 PM new
Kraftdinner 
I know that you came into this discussion a little late. If you will read the discussion from the top, you will see how crazy and immoral this idea really is.
I have to go out now and then to dinner tonight with a relative traveling through the area....How I wish that I could just stay here. LOL!
Have a happy weekend!
Helen
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stusi
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posted on May 24, 2002 09:07:36 PM new
krs- I just logged on and for the fifth time over the last several days the "ignore" function IS NOT working properly. It is on one minute and off the next! Try it or contact AW if you still choose to believe otherwise. BTW- it is sincerely refreshing to see you respond directly, albeit lamely, to my categorization of you.
Helenjw- you are playing thread cop again. It seems that my "ridiculous" ideas are actually get some support here despite your rantings that no one could possibly agree with me. Your continued definitive statements that there could not possibly be any anti-semites here is itself deserving of a big LOL. You really enjoy speaking for others, don't you?
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stusi
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posted on June 12, 2002 06:45:28 AM new
"One day after Aimee Lee Weiss gave birth to a baby girl, Broward Sheriff's Office deputies arrived at the hospital and tried to take the child". The Child Protective Unit was rebuffed by Aimee's father but told him that there would be a court hearing today.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 12, 2002 09:19:29 AM new
Hope you'll keep us updated. I'd be interested in hearing how it goes. I wonder if laws are different than in CA. When child protective services are sent out to remove a child [in CA], the police accompany the CPS worker in case there is a problem.
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stusi
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posted on June 13, 2002 05:41:45 AM new
The child, Jaimi, will first be kept in the neonatal unit for at least three weeks as she was two months premature. Then she will go into the temporary custody of the same Department of Children and Families that has "lost" 1000 children into the foster care system. It will then be decided if she will stay with family, friends or an adoptive family. As the child's father is said to have jumped on his wife's stomach to induce a miscarriage of the murdered first child, and the grandmother is married to a registered sex offender, it is unlikely that the child will ever be with the family again.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 13, 2002 06:00:23 AM new
This poor child. What a way to start out in life.  Sad that it doesn't look like immediate family will be able to protect and care for her. Hopefully extended family will enter the picture.
And it is also scary to think of her being placed 'in the system' when, they too, have failed a lot of the children they are supposed to be protecting.
Have you read anything about how the state intends to find the children they've now 'lost'?
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stusi
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posted on June 13, 2002 10:23:43 AM new
Despite he fact that Jeb Bush is not my favorite person, his respective state investigators as well as county are going to do everything possible to find these kids and restructure the system. I'll keep you posted. Stu
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