I don't have an answer to the cryptic remarks by Junquemama or the purpose of the links that he/she provided. For example, I don't know what was meant by the remark...
To Borillar..."You didnt bother to answer people who started threads to your leaving."
Then..."conjoined twins"
Then..."Helen,Im a one handlegal,Borillar is probley talking about junksons[/i [i]comment"junquemama is an imposter" Of course anyone who knows the history knows the joke,Then of course it makes a wonderful excuse"
Why make these remarks that most people here do not understand?
Another topic...not related to Junquemama...
I do understand Borillar's observation that some posters have more than one identity.. THAT, I agree with. In fact, some posters that you might consider major posters who have been here for years are the invention of one poster. As long as these ID's leave me alone, I don't care but I will not tolerate their abuse in the future without revealing who they really are...if I know.
posted on September 4, 2002 08:57:44 AM new
Borillar - I agree with a lot of what you say at various times but frankly I don't like your attitude. Not that I expect or am worried that'll ruin your day but there is a reason.
I have always been a serious person in the sense that when I say something I mean it. It is not an adopted position for the moment. I don't play games trifling with peoples sensibilities by adopting spurious arguments and putting out elaborate hypothetical questions for the sake of seeing if I can bait people into an emotional response, and show how foolish they are. Human nature being what is is that is really an unbecoming cheap trick most people learn to do by 6 or 7 if they have siblings and leave behind as they mature - unless they become politicians.
The actual act of putting a question out there before others presumes a lot and states in that assumption enough to define a position for the one posing it. Just assuming it is a valid question alone says a lot. Putting forth a statement you already think false just shows a lack of integrity.
There are enough real questions and problems in this world that using others time and attention for a game to watch peoples reactions and mock their abilities rather than honestly putting forth things that concern you shows a lack of respect for them. The ease with which you completely denounce them all when you don't like the answers they supply just reinforces my suspicion that you are just looking to boost your own opinion of yourself by tearing down others. It really is not a zero sum game. Only children have an advantage there as they did not have to compete playing for the attention and love of a parent with any weapon their mouth could devise. Children are really horrid little lying creeps and some never outgrow it.
When you are done I suppose you have a surge of satisfaction that you showed yourself as witty and so clever in your thought processes by all the alternate positions you could imagine even if there was no sincerity in any of them.
In truth when you have been exposed to someone who finds joy in that spiteful little debating game - and the profile is much too common - your life experience with such people tells you to just catalog them with the sub-category of people not to trust with anything that requires integrity and honesty, or any ability to demonstrate the needed humility to cooperate instead of compete. You know you can't trust anything they say not to be a mind game.
If they are your coworker you know that you have to either get rid of them or you will find a knife in your back.
If they propose a business venture - RUN - because they will dismiss any guilt when they rip you off as your fault for not having the brains to see the obvious trap. Trust is a weekness. Honesty is being simple.
I have a brother in law with this mental profile. If we had the privilage of the duel still I would put a ball between his beady little eyes.
Yes Mr. B you are indeed slick as boiled flax seed. And that is no compliment.
posted on September 4, 2002 09:21:12 AM newI don't believe that there are any topics so onerous that they are off-limits to a peaceful, intellectual discussion of the facts and merits of the case.
I agree with that statement. But it isn't the way these 'sensitive' topics often go.
I too would have enjoyed reading the thoughts/opinions of those discussing their religious 'take' of the sacrament. I've always enjoyed the discussions about different religions. But for reasons I will never understand, some don't have the capibility of realizing that others believe differently and are unable to show respect and acceptance of those differences. That saddens me.
KatyD - If you're lurking. Thank you for explaining the Catholic's stance on communion. I'm sorry the way the posts went, you felt the need to defend your beliefs. Attacks on anyones beliefs are uncalled for, IMO. Wish you'd post here more often.
posted on September 4, 2002 09:46:01 AM new
Gravid
Your thoughtful and well written post expresses the feelings that I have also.
Borillar seems to see us lately as a bunch of illiterate guinea pigs and on what criteria does he assume his superior stance?
Personally, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more. I won't "squat and dump" (as he so eloquently states) in his "class" again. And I think that anyone who does is a masochistic fool.
posted on September 4, 2002 10:12:52 AM newI don't have an answer to the cryptic remarks by Junquemama or the purpose of the links that he/she provided. For example, I don't know what was meant by the remark
Here's another Helen:
Hook,bait,switch
[ edited by junquemama on Sep 4, 2002 10:13 AM ]
posted on September 4, 2002 10:39:49 AM new
KatyD--I'm sorry that you had to take that but from my corner you won the point.
I don't know why people have to try to rip apart the feelings of another. Well, yes I do. It's called insecurity, the lack of anything in which to believe and that is sad.
It's sad because this is the only place where people like this can feel superior. I'm sure people run the other way in real life.
I share your belief even though I am not Catholic (Protestant). The sacrament is sacred to me, too, though we call it communion. My mother didn't go to church for 20 years but before she died she asked to take communion. That is how deep the belief goes. Some might call it caniballism (msp) and I guess that is their right. Heaven only knows they don't have to answer to me.
gravid, you said everything I wanted to say but couldn't articulate. Thank you for that.
Helen, I agree with you and find that an articulate person would even use the terms "squat and dump."
posted on September 4, 2002 10:57:52 AM new
One's beliefs are challenged/attacked on a dailey basis in all facets of our lives, sometimes it is subtle, sometimes not.
But these challenges are how we change and grow.
Change and growth of the individual are seen as the enemies of religion. You can not have exclusivity and control of the individual if you permit or face these challenges.
posted on September 4, 2002 06:14:08 PM new
>But how are we to know if it is really anything he believes or a debating stance?
Once again, gravid, your posts show a lack of comprehension. And that is no compliment. I had thought before that you were quite astute, but lately, your posts have devolved into near gibberish and now, paranoia. I was truly saddened by my discovery that there are very few regular posters on here who can or are able to hold an intelligent conversation. It saddened me to learn that people whom I felt were able to do so well at the political threads turned out not to have anything to offer outside of it. That most of us lived up to the criticism of our detractors, and even now, the denial of the depths of our hypocrisy continues from some of you. Whether we like it or not, we've earned that title.
So, since POLITICS, and WHO-STABBED-WHOM, and OUR SCHOOLS seem the only intellectual fodder on here, please don't blame ME in the future for posting nothing but Bush-bashing theads. I tried.
posted on September 4, 2002 06:17:38 PM new"One's beliefs are challenged/attacked on a dailey basis in all facets of our lives, sometimes it is subtle, sometimes not."
"But these challenges are how we change and grow."
"Change and growth of the individual are seen as the enemies of religion. You can not have exclusivity and control of the individual if you permit or face these challenges."
posted on September 4, 2002 06:21:43 PM new
>>Give me someone kind and trustworthy over somebody brilliant and self serving any day<<
Encyclopedic verbosity does not brilliance make.
There are two troll posters here, who might actually have something more to contribute if they cut the crap and got real or something. One, to his credit, has been quiet lately. Reflection is a good thing. No one is perfect. However, some people are completely incapable of this--self reflection/insight. They get by alright tho' (and I'm talking too much for a very tired woman.)
Helen: I wanted to respond to your post but I don't remember it becaussse I'm faalling saleep but yeah whatever you said. (x)
posted on September 4, 2002 06:30:39 PM new
aaand another thing. If people are using multiple ID's it would be helpful to me if they are exposed, or, explored, because I for One, don't have time for such horse dung.
