snowyegret
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posted on September 6, 2002 11:34:18 AM new
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OTTAWA - For the first time, the U.S. ambassador to Canada has explicitly stated that concerns about this country's military budget reach the highest levels of the Bush administration.
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What business does our government have telling Canada how to spend its money? It's not like Canada is a slacker ally like some countries I could name. Were there not Canadian troops killed in Afghanistan and by the US?
I hope Chretin told him to shove off. 
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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bunnicula
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posted on September 6, 2002 11:38:27 AM new
Merely the next step in Bush's plan for world domination. He doesn't hide the fact that, in his opinion, other countries have no right to have their own policies--and a willingness to use force if said policies don't march lockstep with his.
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snowyegret
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posted on September 6, 2002 11:52:02 AM new
Not the brightest of moves when Bush is trying to garner support and allies for an Iraqi invasion.
How are you bunnicula? I haven't seen you in a while.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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bunnicula
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posted on September 6, 2002 12:05:38 PM new
Fine, thanks Am recovering from a riding accident which limited my ability to do much online stuff--hunt-and-peck with left hand made typing a drawn out thing...
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snowyegret
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posted on September 6, 2002 12:17:53 PM new
Ouch! Arm or shoulder? I hope you feel better soon, and is your mule OK?
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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bunnicula
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posted on September 6, 2002 03:00:20 PM new
Sweet Fanny Adams, my mule, is fine. My right humerus was broken in 3 pieces...they put a rod down the center of it, making a 4-5 inch incision at the top to do so and anchoring it top & bottom with screws. Was told this will take a while to heal completely as the humerus bone has lesser amount of marrow and therefore less blood supply to aide in healing. sigh
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Borillar
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posted on September 6, 2002 03:49:02 PM new
>What business does our government have telling Canada how to spend its money?
The embarrassment never ends.
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stockticker
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posted on September 6, 2002 05:26:03 PM new
Oh I dunno. Judging by this forum, a lot of Americans seem to feel there is nothing wrong in telling other individuals how they ought to think and how they ought to act. So I'm not really surprised that your administration feels it has the right to tell a foreign country how it ought to spend its money.
Irene
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Borillar
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posted on September 6, 2002 08:12:28 PM new
Irene, don't you thknk that there's a diffeence between an Internet forum and official govenment policy?
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stockticker
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posted on September 6, 2002 08:51:48 PM new
Not really. If I don't like the "advice" I can just ignore it. 
Irene
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Linda_K
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posted on September 6, 2002 09:16:17 PM new
Mr. Cellucci praised Canadians who opened their homes to stranded American air travellers on Sept. 11 and who gave humanitarian assistance in the aftermath. I saw a 20/20 type program on a reunion of those Canadians and Americans who were stranded. Very heart warming.
If Canada isn't spending enough money for it's own defense, who do you think will be paying for that same defense should the need arise? Urging a country to review it's own military needs doesn't equate to wanting "world domination". Maybe it's like saying...we've got our hands full....you'd better be able to carry yourself if need be. Or at least be an equal partner.
I say this because I've just recently read where we're paying the cost for both Germany and France's defense. Wish I could read more on why that is.
[side note to bunnicula] Was this last fall also from Sweet Fanny Adams? I recall you saying you'd fallen once [or was it twice] before. Glad to hear you're healing.
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Borillar
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posted on September 6, 2002 10:01:30 PM new
Well, Linda, maybe its just all a matter of perspective, ya know? Bush thinks that Canada isn't spending enough money on defense and maybe Canada thinks that America is spending too much on defense. Maybe what America thinks about America and what Canadians think about their own internal matters is really appropriate.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 6, 2002 10:20:05 PM new
Borillar - Yes, to different perspectives. And I believe each country will act in it's own best interest. But aren't we [the US] expected to come to the aid of countries [allies] who aren't able to properly defend themselves? Do you believe if Canada was attacked, say the way we were on 9-11, that we wouldn't go to their defense? Sure we would. So I don't find it unreasonable to suggest urge any country that is able to choose to spend more of their own tax dollars on defending themselves, building up their own defense. That's all I'm trying to say.
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bunnicula
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posted on September 7, 2002 03:57:04 AM new
The problem is that Bush is pushing for another world war. Long before 9/11--about February 2001 IIRC--I remember posting here that he would be getting us into a war before long. I think he'd just gone out of his way to piss off China or something. And now he is doing his best best to expand his "war on terror" to any country whose regime he does not like and trying to bully other countries into doing the same. Face it--9/11 was good for Bush, it gave him a boost in popularity. But that won't last forever. And then there's the fact that our economy has slumped bigtime--and war is certainly good for economy--so I have no doubt that he'll be pushing hard to get his war escalated in any way he can.
LindaK: Sweet Fanny and I came up to a blind corner and a car appeared suddenly with the driver revving the engine under Sweet Fanny's nose. Neither of us were prepared for that She whirled away from it...centrifigal force had me leaning...unfortunately, there was a telephone pole right there. I hit the pole, then fell 5 feet to the ground (she's 15 hands). Sweet Fanny stopped and looked around, wondering why I was on the ground and not on her back
edited to delete an extraneous "while"
[ edited by bunnicula on Sep 7, 2002 04:06 AM ]
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stockticker
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posted on September 7, 2002 06:09:19 AM new
Linda_K said:
Do you believe if Canada was attacked, say the way we were on 9-11, that we wouldn't go to their defense? Sure we would. So I don't find it unreasonable to suggest urge any country that is able to choose to spend more of their own tax dollars on defending themselves, building up their own defense.
Linda, should I be saying the following to you?
Do you believe if U.S. was attacked, that Canada wouldn't go to your defense? Sure we would. So I don't find it unreasonable to urge the U.S., who is able to choose to spend more of its own tax dollars on defending itself, to build up its own defense.
Irene
[ edited by stockticker on Sep 7, 2002 06:10 AM ]
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snowyegret
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posted on September 7, 2002 06:51:00 AM new
Canada has always helped the US in this century, many times to its own detriment. The Canadian response to the 9/11 attacks was magnificent by its government, airports, and civilians.
How long can Canada continue an unequitable friendship? I see this and other moves by the Bush administration as cooling the accord between the US and Canada, just when Bush is trying to build a consensus for war.
Bunnicula, take care of yourself. OWWWWW!
Irene, I usually try to poke at bad behavior rather than lecture. But I was born in Ontario.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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junquemama
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posted on September 7, 2002 08:29:30 AM new
I've always been afraid Canada would attack
Texas.
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stockticker
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posted on September 7, 2002 08:43:20 AM new
Snowy, Ahhh! That explains it!
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kraftdinner
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posted on September 7, 2002 09:25:12 AM new
Canada supplies the U.S. with most of its foreign oil. Maybe Bush forgot that part.
Where in Ontario Snowy??
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Borillar
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posted on September 7, 2002 10:23:57 AM new
>Canada supplies the U.S. with most of its foreign oil.
Hey, KD! Next time that you come acros a chart or something like it, post the link here. I wasn't aware of that fact above and it now makes me curious to see where we do get all of our oil from (by country, that is).
>The problem is that Bush is pushing for another world war.
A World War would only please Satan.
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kraftdinner
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posted on September 7, 2002 10:56:19 AM new
Sorry to not explain myself... the U.S. gets most of its foreign oil from the Saudis and Iraq, the rest about 35%, comes from other countries with Canada leading, South America is next and so on. I should have said besides the middle east.
I'll see what links I can find.
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kraftdinner
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posted on September 7, 2002 11:47:40 AM new
Here's an article that explains Canada's oil export to the U.S.
http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/oildeal.html
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Helenjw
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posted on September 7, 2002 12:38:34 PM new
Major sources of U.S. petroleum imports in million bpd during 2001 were: Canada (1.83), Saudi Arabia (1.66), Venezuela (1.55), Mexico (1.44), Nigeria (0.89), Iraq (0.80), Norway (0.34), Angola (0.33), U.K. (0.32), Algeria (0.28), U.S. Virgin Islands (0.27), Kuwait (0.25). Total Imports 11.87.
Helen
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kraftdinner
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posted on September 7, 2002 12:49:26 PM new
What I've read has surprised me! I always thought the Saudi's & Iraq were ahead of Canada by a long shot, didn't you all? I also didn't know oil export was part of the NAFTA deal. 
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Helenjw
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posted on September 7, 2002 05:14:41 PM new
That surprised me too, Kraftdinner.
There are a couple of charts of US oil and petroleum imports here...http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/security/esar/latwom.html We import more from Canada as you said.
Helen
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snowyegret
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posted on September 7, 2002 05:20:42 PM new
Iraq is # 5. 8^O
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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gravid
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posted on September 7, 2002 06:22:08 PM new
Does that mean if Canada wants to develope weapons of mass destruction that's OK because it is a US ally?
Do we really want to cheese off Canada if they have the bomb?
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Linda_K
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posted on September 7, 2002 06:24:59 PM new
I hit the pole....OUCH...and the pole won. OUCH Hopefully the driver that caused the accident came to help you when you fell.
Irene - Yes, you could say that. My point is leaders of countries are 'pushing' other leaders all the time to do what they feel should be done.
From what I've read, Canada has many ports that aren't monitored and terrorists could come in through Canada and work their way down here to the US...especially since our US-Canadian boarders are pretty much open.
This thread started out with the US ambassador to Canada saying he was going to keep pushing Canada to spend for more their defence. [What right does he have to tell Canada how to spend their money] That's the same thing that your PM, Chretien, was doing with his statement [this week] about how the US and Europe shouldn't be spending so much of their money on farm subsidies. And he says he's going to keep pushing the US to stop it.
I'm just not seeing a difference....or anything unusual about that.
My above statement was stating this is normal [each country urging the other to do something different with their own funds.] behavior.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 7, 2002 06:30:18 PM new
snowyegret - How long can Canada continue an unequitable friendship? Please explain how you see our relationship with Canada as unequitable. I'm really interested in understanding that view point.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 10, 2002 10:01:29 AM new
Hi Snowyegret - I'm bumping this up as I really am serious about hearing your opinions on this. Sincerely.
Would love for any other Canadian to answer it to. I really wasn't aware some felt this way.
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