posted on November 4, 2002 07:19:48 PM new"WHAT do you contribute to the U.S. other than your Canadian opinions about what is wrong with us?"
That's like asking someone how much they make. Sorry, but that's none of your business Katy.
I don't think anything is wrong with Americans. I've NEVER said that. My posts tend to be against the way Bush is progressing while he's President. Even if I was from Mars, I would still have the same opinion right now. Even if I was living on Mars, I would feel this way. To limit your thoughts to only thinking Americans residents should be allowed to say anything about America is so ridiculous. Katy, really.
posted on November 4, 2002 07:59:04 PM new
Yellowstone, if I don't answer you from now on, it's not because I have put you on Ignore. It's just that I'm ignoring you.
posted on November 4, 2002 08:11:29 PM new
From hearing all your demands that everyone vote even if the choices given are repugnant to them I have to conclude Katy D would love the system some other countries have of making it a legal requirement to vote or be fined or jailed.
It seems to be beyond your ability to see that this demands of the citizen that they at least make a show of considering the candidates offered as being valid.
Is it so hard to understand that many feel the choices they are offered are really meaningless? That neither of two jackasses is what you want to go on record as having picked?
Sorry but you don't even realize what a little Fascist prig you are at heart.
posted on November 4, 2002 08:24:06 PM newThat's like asking someone how much they make. Sorry, but that's none of your business Katy.
Well, that's a convoluted thought process. You sit here all day every day and harp on and on about how *wrong* U.S. policy is, and how bad a president (and individual) George Bush is, constantly stirring the pot and remarking how stupid Republican voters are, along with those Democrat voters are who are using their citizenship to participate in their own country's government process and all the while you are smugly criticizing OUR country and trying to justify it on the basis of your laughable "U.S. citizenship, while YOU have never voted in one single election EVERand then when asked WHAT experience you have as a U.S. citizen, you reply none of your business!.
The whole idea that YOU have anything to add or contribute as a citizen is apologies to Helenludicrous and ridiculous!
I didn't ask you how much you make. I asked you what you *contribute* as a U.S. citizen. And the answer remains...
nothing.
posted on November 4, 2002 08:28:29 PM new
Excuse me, Gravid. You talking to me? Maybe you didn't read this thread. This isn't about voting for "repugnant" choices. Kraftdinner chooses not to vote nor participate in the country she "claims" as her own. It's about pretending to be something she's not.
posted on November 4, 2002 10:02:33 PM new
Your last post is a hoot Katy! Your grasping at straws is as pitiful as the Connie Chung/Gary Condit interview. Sorry I don't agree with you. LoL!!
We all know and identify with the legacy of Robin Hood, who in a time of despots and an abusive aristocracy, waylaid the wealthy in England's Sherwood Forest, relieving them of their wealth and distributing it to the poor and desperately needy. Most of us identify with this story because for once the underdog gets a break and wins. Apparently, George Bush never heard of Robin Hood. Or maybe he did, and is determined at all costs to be the exact opposite of this likable character. Based on his behavior, the latter seems to be the case. The man is blatantly robbing the poor and destitute to advance the fortunes of the wealthy.
Believe it or not taxpaying citizens, George W. Bush is using our hard earned taxes to fund his travel to fund-raisers in support of Republican candidates. Yes, its true. In six months the White House has billed $210,000 to an agency that falls under Health and Human Services (HHS) for his trips to boost GOP candidates in election bids. And not just any agency. He is soaking the Office of Family Assistance, an agency having to do with assisting the impoverished in this nation. Incredible and unbelievable you say? Then turn to page A5 of The Washington Post for Sunday, October 20, 2002, and see the article written by staff writer Thomas B. Edsall. Here is how the fleecing works.
Lets say Republican candidate Joe Blow needs a boost to put him ahead of his Democratic challenger in an election campaign. George Bush makes a visit to that state in the name of welfare reform. Coincidentally, at the same visit, he makes an appearance with, and an endorsement for his GOP brother or sister-in-arms. Who knows, the event might even entail a $1,000 or $10,000 a plate dinner. Cheers all around. Then its back to Washington and his Pennsylvania Avenue address. Later someone on his team furiously punches numbers into a calculator of the expenses of the trip. This bill is then sent to HHS and billed to Office of Family Assistance, due to the fact that the President did give an obscure half hour speech about welfare reform while on that trip. What a windfall. The President made a trip. His GOP cohort got a boost without having to dip into his own campaign funds, his poll ratings has improved, and the Republican National Committee has benefited from a lucrative fund-raiser. There is happiness all around, and the world is great.
posted on November 4, 2002 11:06:54 PM new
Before I jump on the bandwagon, I'd like to know how long this accidental loophole has been around and what other ex-Presidents have used it, if any at all. Is this something new to the normal massive corruption taking place in our nation's capital by the Repugs and GW? Or, is it some cherished institution that GW just takes for granted as being naturally meant to be corrupted?
If it is GW and ONLY GW who has done this, then we need to call for an independant investigation of his campaigning. If it isn't, then we need to close up this loophole.
posted on November 5, 2002 05:32:37 AM new
It's not "cute" and it's not "clever" or "stupid". It's corruption and it't been done since the beginning of time. Bush has simply taken it to a higher level.
"Republicans used to criticize Bill Clinton for the permanent campaign, but this puts Bill Clinton to shame," said Dennis J. Goldford, political science chairman at Drake University in Des Moines. "George Bush is a political animal."
"The president has the right to campaign 24 hours a day, seven days a week, if he wants," said Senate Majority Whip Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.). "But he doesn't have the right to charge these trips to the taxpayers. The Republican National Committee is loaded with money. Let them pay for it. . . . If Clinton did this, then Clinton was wrong. You can't justify thievery because somebody else did it."
posted on November 5, 2002 08:07:56 AM new
"No matter what happens tomorrow in terms of the actual wins and losses,
President Bush has set a new standard for rolling up his sleeves, working
harder on behalf of his team, and - has this been widely reported? - not
taking shots at individual Democrats, but making his case by talking in a
positive manner, about why he needs more Republicans to get things done.
"For your mid-term exam, compare and contrast the campaign style of
President Bush, with the style of ANY major Democrat. Include Hillary Rodham
Clinton Rodham's remark that President Bush was 'selected, not elected.'"
posted on November 5, 2002 10:26:37 AM new
>"For your mid-term exam, compare and contrast the campaign style of President Bush, with the style of ANY major Democrat. Include Hillary Rodham Clinton Rodham's remark that President Bush was 'selected, not elected.'"
As much of a slam as it sounds, it is the truth. If GW wanted any honor, he should have told the US Supreme COurt that he could not accept the Presidency under such conditions and resigned. Since he did not have the Honor or the guts to stand tall for something, he slimed his way into the White House, avoiding the voting process altogether.
Before you ask me, Voting is a State's Right. The US Supreme Court had no jurisdiction in the matter, but chose to rule anyway. In effect, either the majority of the US Supreme Court was (is) corrupt and GW Bush got "elected" into office and Voting is NOT a State's Right; or, Voting is indeed a State's Right and the US Supreme Court overstepped its authority, thereby making an UNLAWFUL court decision, thereby puting Bush into the Presidency illegitimately.
So, like I said: it wasn't a >SLAM< on her part, she wasn't being >NASTY<, she was telling it like it is. Some people just want to believe otherwise.
posted on November 5, 2002 11:34:07 AM new
Maybe government money shouldn't go for campaigning but it sure beats the hell out of it going to buy a new dress for Monica!!!!
posted on November 5, 2002 02:28:50 PM new
>Maybe government money shouldn't go for campaigning but it sure beats the hell out of it going to buy a new dress for Monica!!!!
posted on November 6, 2002 07:01:09 AM newBelieve it or not taxpaying citizens, George W. Bush is using our hard earned taxes to fund his travel to fund-raisers in support of Republican candidates. Yes, its true.
Just like all presidents have been doing for the last 20 years. But, of course, G.W. shouldn't be allowed to do the same thing...that's just NOT acceptable. If it's fair for one, it's fair for all. Don't like this being allowed at all? That's fine. Work to change it. But don't approve of it/accept it under your choice for president, but not for someone elses choice.
posted on November 6, 2002 06:26:07 PM new
Yellowstone and Linda
I'll repost my answer in case you missed it.
It's not "cute" and it's not "clever" or "stupid". It's corruption and it't been done since the beginning of time. Bush has simply taken it to a higher level.
"Republicans used to criticize Bill Clinton for the permanent campaign, but this puts Bill Clinton to shame," said Dennis J. Goldford, political science chairman at Drake University in Des Moines. "George Bush is a political animal."
"The president has the right to campaign 24 hours a day, seven days a week, if he wants," said Senate Majority Whip Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.). "But he doesn't have the right to charge these trips to the taxpayers. The Republican National Committee is loaded with money. Let them pay for it. . . . If Clinton did this, then Clinton was wrong. You can't justify thievery because somebody else did it."
posted on November 6, 2002 08:11:18 PM new
While the Reps are crowing about this election, it reminds of a conversation between Harry Truman and Mrs Roosevelt upon the occasion of the death of President Roosevelt.
Truman offered condolences and prayers to Mrs Roosevelt, and she retorted to Harry to save his condolences and prayers for himself for as President he will need them.
Bush's party now has both houses of Congress. Now there can be NO Republican excuses for a failed economy, a failed war on terrorism, failed health care, failure to control our borders, failed public education, or any excuses for any failures.
Sometimes success is in the fight and not the victory.
posted on November 6, 2002 08:41:50 PM new
Reamond,
. Now there can be NO Republican excuses for a failed economy, a failed war on terrorism, failed health care, failure to control our borders, failed public education, or any excuses for any failures.
posted on November 6, 2002 09:17:20 PM new
No this situation is quite different than "sour grapes". This is the first time since Teddy Roosevelt that a President gained seats/majority from a mid-term election, and the first time since Lincoln for a Republican to do it.
"To whom much is given, much is expected".
We should be in a safe, secure, and prosperous Utopia in the near future, and there can be no Republican excuse why we shouldn't be.
posted on November 6, 2002 09:30:25 PM new
yellowstone - I know. You're just going to have to develop tougher skin. It's usually just a word game. They ask questions and EXPECT answers. But some times when you ask, you'll just be ignored. It's all part of the way 'conversation' goes here in the RT.
posted on November 6, 2002 09:35:55 PM new
I agree the pressure is on Bush now. I said in scrabblegods thread that with both the house and senate in his favor he'll have few excuses to not show improvement on some issues.
But to expect all to be perfect...come on. It will never be perfect when the division in this country and in the senate is where it is.
But at least now, hopefully, some of the issues that are important to his adminstration will get passed. Maybe not..with many republicans and democrats switching sides on the different issues. It's not a shoe-in, but it sure is looking more favorable, IMO.
posted on November 6, 2002 09:41:32 PM new
Right, Reamond. The Democrats are offering condolences to the Republicans for the Republicans whupping their butts because now the Republicans are going to be held responsible for the state of the country.
Why, are we even sure this was a Republican victory at all? Perhaps it was just a clever Democratic plot to uh... lose control of the Senate, and lose seats in the House, all to bring about the ruination of the Republican Party! Those sneaky devils.
posted on November 6, 2002 09:50:48 PM new
Yeah. It's gonna be fun to see how it all turns out. Of course, just because the Democrats aren't able to obstruct the Republican Agenda anymore doesn't mean that the Democrats won't be blamed for everything. Hell, even if every single Democrat and Independant were voted out of office and a Republican voted into that seat, they would still find ways to point the fingers at someone else. But in any case, I'm tired of Bush blaming Tom Dashele for all of his problems. Did anyone else get a look at Trent Lott's face as he talked about becoming Senate Majority Leader once again? His smirk was almost leering.
Once again, America has gotten the kind of government that it asked for. I hope everyone will enjoy this quick slide into Hell - it's going to be quite a ride!
posted on November 6, 2002 09:53:14 PM new
Oh, and if you aren't White, Protestant, and speak Engligh fluently, I'd start laying low. We're anbout to roll-back to before the Civil War was fought and all of the Civil Rights progress will also be rolled back as well.
posted on November 6, 2002 10:10:23 PM new
Donny- you're proposition is not that far off. Not too many people want to volunteer or solicit to captain a sinking ship.
This isn't just about getting policy through- that policy has to work, and work well because it will go through without obstruction.
If things don't go well with Iraq or our actions there trigger even more problems, it is all in Bush and the Republicans lap.
Bush gets his homeland security bill just as he wants and we get hit again, Bush and the Republicans have no one to blame for the failure but themselves.
There is no cover in either branch for the republicans.
[ edited by Reamond on Nov 6, 2002 10:16 PM ]
It's usually just a word game. They ask questions and EXPECT answers. But some times when you ask, you'll just be ignored. It's all part of the way 'conversation' goes here in the RT.