posted on January 14, 2003 09:16:00 PM new
The documentary I saw on ABC(Australia), was not filmed by an Irish man but by an Afghani Reporter who actually recently won an international award for it.
The report claimed that Afghani fighters committed the murders, but while they were under observation/guidance of US Military personnel., who basically stood around like guards while the atrocities took place.
They went on to say that Us Military REFUSES to investigate.
KatyD, even if no US soldier actually pulled a trigger, the claim is that it was all sanctioned by them.
They went on to say that the US military is what they called (something like) “stove pipe” in that information travels straight down form the top & up again and that a decision to permit such atrocities would not have been made by the foot soldier on the field. They said that the highest officials would have known very quickly and dismissed claims by the military that they knew nought of it.
Linda_K, evidence?
It’s pretty obvious that we and more so the USA, have a government within the government, actions are covert and often contrary to public policy.
Why else would they reward Poindexter with a new very powerful position. After having given guns to the contras.
The only unusual aspect of this discussion about the finding of mass graves in Afghanistan is that someone would question and expect proof that the United States was involved.
posted on January 15, 2003 08:57:13 AM new
You still offer no evidence, austbounty. Just some "report" by a so-called "Afghani Reporter" who is supposedly is "claiming" a massacre occured under the "guidance" of US soldiers. Uh huh. Whatever. Until someone offers a little more than "opinion", I'll file your little nugget away with such anecdotes as the infamous "Jenin Massacre". Heh.
posted on January 15, 2003 12:06:47 PM new
>You still offer no evidence, austbounty.
I don't think that it is up to austbounty to produce "evidence"! If austbounty were to produce your evidence, Katy, then that would be all that is needed to start an official investigation and to convict people! What a stupid idea to think that austbounty at her computer is going to dig up what other full-time professionals can't -- and just for your edification, no less! LOL! Go ahead and file it under "Jenin Massacre and other stupid things Katy has demanded about." That way, it'll be in the right folder.
posted on January 15, 2003 12:09:57 PM new
Sure....anybody can accuse anyone of anything and they don't need to back up their words. That's the way you do Borillar, and I see you're identifying with another who chooses to do the same thing.
posted on January 15, 2003 12:20:27 PM newGo ahead and file it under "Jenin Massacre and other stupid things Katy has demanded about." That way, it'll be in the right folder.
Yep. The folder labled "Truth". Not "Wild Fantasy". Not "Propaganda". And not "Mad Borillar's Ravings and Paranoid Conspiracies". Gawd, you must lead a miserable existence. In a way, I pity you. But not too much.
posted on January 15, 2003 12:29:52 PM new
Katyd
What do you call evidence.
Isn’t Poindexter’s scenario evidence that your Government condoned what he did and tried to cover it up, and that they are ‘likely’ to do it again.
If the report was by a ‘clean descent living white folk’ reporter, would that be ‘evidence’.
‘Nobody has accused U.S. soldiers of massacre or atrocities.’
The above statement by you is ‘evidence’ that you lied, or of your ignorance of the issue;
And therefore your assertions can NOT be relied upon as being accurate.
Bush will not try any of your military for war crimes.
Not evidence, just suspicious.
FACT-
Bush has large personal financial interests in oil.
FACT-
No WOMD found yet.
posted on January 15, 2003 12:51:09 PM new
KatyD;
I pity you, there are none so blind as those that will not see.
Further, you never seem to address or you evade questions, you seem to wander/drift in apparent aimless directions.
How about some logic, not just name calling.
Fact.
USA gave weapons to Afghanistan.
Fact
Most WOMD are manufactured in USA or USSR.
posted on January 15, 2003 01:15:33 PM new
Okay, austbounty. I'll bite. After all, I have an open mind. Please direct me to any site that offers proof (not speculation fueled by various agendas), or if not actual proof, compelling EVIDENCE that US Military were involved, guided, or sanctioned these Afghan murders you talk about. Pictures? Film? Anything? Also, (and I may haved missed it) could you please tell me again what Poindexter has to do with the aforementioned Afhani murders? Or anything that may or may not have happened in Afghanistan. I understand his connection to the Contra scandal, but it appears that you are using this to somehow bolster your evidence that he was involved in US Military participation of massacres in Afghanistan...?? Perhaps you can be more succinct?
Linda, I don't think austbounty is Mivona. Mivona is much more adept at putting forth an argument, and while she may hold what some might consider "leftist" views, she generally doesn't engage in paranoic conspiracy theories.
posted on January 15, 2003 01:45:13 PM new
'paranoic conspiracy theories'??
The poindexter scenario is evidence that your Government engages in clandestine, nefarious, conspiracies.
And my point is, therefore you can’t rule it out in Afganistan, and Oil producing countries.
Was the USA involved?, USA gave weapons to Afghanistan, DIDN'T THEY???.
posted on January 15, 2003 01:59:35 PM new
Austbounty, don't sweat trying to talk to the children on here. You have International groups investigating these incidents, the media is getting involved now, large sums of money are being spent, all in pursuit of the "evidence". And here, small children are demanding that Round Table users provide that "proof" that the full-time experienced professional invesitgators are after! It's worse than just being ludicrous, it's plainly asinine on their behalf to have any expectations that austbounty could possibly provide that proof. Go ahead and stay idiots ~ the rest of us are always laughing at you for it!
posted on January 15, 2003 02:43:56 PM new
Linda,
back to issue of inequity for a moment.
10 minutes ago I read in
"The Advertiser" South Australia Jan 6 2003. (page 32) Article entitled;-
"Naming Rights"
"CHICAGO: It helps to have a white-sounding name when looking for work in the US.
A Chicago University study found resumes using names like Neil, Greg, Emilly and Anne elicited 50 per cent more responces than ones with names including Tamika, Ebony, Aisha, Rasheed and Kareem."
posted on January 15, 2003 02:49:31 PM new
Without "proof", it's most likely paranoia or propaganda. That's what sets apart the gullible from the inquisitive, Borillar. Because Poindexter was involved in the Iran Contra scandal, does not in any way "prove" that US Military sponsored, sanctioned or participated in the Mazar Al Sharife killings in Afghanistan. You simply can't come here with cockamamie conspiracy stories and proclaim it as "truth". Well, actually you can, but that doesn't make it "true". It just makes it one more example of your lunatic paranoid ravings.
Be careful, Borillar. You're on the "list". They're coming to take you away! LoL!
You wrote "Without "proof", it's most likely paranoia or propaganda"
OK..then does that mean god doesn't exist(where's the proof)
OR
If a tree fals in the forest and no one or thing is there to hear it...Does it make a noise..(where's the proof)
This responce does not lend support to any accusation that US was involve in anything.
But it does give support to the accusation that your arguments are illogical and full of $hit.
Perhaps you can understand this-
Nah-...Nah....Nah..Nah.Nah.
posted on January 15, 2003 04:47:14 PM new
Please, austbounty, please stop trying to provide any proof or reasoning to Katy. You have to read between the lines here. She gave you an impossible quest to fulfill. Why? She's just messing with ya. She wants to see how you'll react to an impossible request: will you fight back, run away, try to appease her, etc. As KRS pointed out to me on here about Katy when I was new, I'll do the same for you now: when she comes on with her baloney, just tell'r to blow it out'r arse! That's the only correct answer and the only one that she'll respect you for. I thought that it was enormously impolite that KRS said that, but I've since come to see the truth and I agree with his assessment.
posted on January 15, 2003 05:19:25 PM newShe gave you an impossible quest to fulfill.
Oh yes. An impossible quest which was to provide some kind of evidence that:
A). US Military personnel participated, encouraged, sanctioned in a massacre in Afghanistan. And/or...
B). That John Poindexter was participated, encouraged or somehow was involved in aforementioned massacre.
Borillar believes that offering such evidence to back up the claim is an "impossible quest". And he ought to know. He is unable to back up any of his cockamamie conspiracies that he comes here to spew, even though he is asked to time and time again by various people. Whatever. It gives him meaning in his drab dreary life. Pity him for his fear and unhappiness and his paranoia that "they" are out to get him. Which, of course, "they" are.
They're coming for you Borillar. Only a matter of days..or weeks...or months. But they'll get you in the end. Poof! No more Borillar. LoL!
