krs
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posted on January 15, 2003 10:29:26 PM new
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030115/ap_on_he_me/surgical_tools_1
There's no breakdown of where they're left, but most are left in fat people because there's more room.
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stusi
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posted on January 16, 2003 04:39:01 AM new
There are over 20,000 doctors who have had their licenses suspended or revoked for offenses ranging from practicing medicine while under the effects of alcohol or drugs to amputating the wrong limb.
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gravid
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posted on January 16, 2003 05:24:53 AM new
Considering what they charge for those instruments I'm surprised the penny pinching HMOs don't throw a fit about losing them.
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Helenjw
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posted on January 16, 2003 07:32:04 AM new
Maybe an arithmetic review is in order. LOL!
A similar study by Kaiser revealed that counts are inaccurate, even though they are done four times....the first when the instruments are set up or the sponges are unpackaged, a second before the surgical procedure begins, a third as closure begins, and the final count performed during skin closure.
Then there are the scapegoats , the nursing staff. who know how to count but according to this study allow an incorrect count to be accepted
When counting fails, even the use of x-rays, to detect the radiopaque sponges sometimes fails.
Carpenters know to measure twice, cut once. Seems like a surgical team should be able to measure four times, cut once without leaving tools behind.
Helen
[ edited by Helenjw on Jan 16, 2003 07:32 AM ]
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gravid
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posted on January 16, 2003 09:29:35 AM new
Make it a $10,00 fine for the surgeon to leave something behind and the problem will only happen once every ten years or so.
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mlecher
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posted on January 16, 2003 02:54:00 PM new
How dare those patients try to steal surgical equipment by secreting IN their bodies.....
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We call them our heroes...but we pay them like chumps
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snowyegret
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posted on January 16, 2003 03:08:17 PM new
Soon, these instruments will be on the hospital bill.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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gravid
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posted on January 16, 2003 07:34:13 PM new
If you don't get an infection or have pain for sure you'll find it the next time you fly.....
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Reamond
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posted on January 16, 2003 09:12:12 PM new
I am trying to figure out why the Republicans claim the justice system is out of control when awarding damages for medical malpractice, but it is not out of control when assessing criminal sentences.
If we need caps on medical malpractice, why no "caps" on capital punishment ?
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Borillar
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posted on January 16, 2003 09:38:32 PM new
It's because they live in a vacuum -- between their ears!
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Reamond
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posted on January 16, 2003 10:27:17 PM new
How about this for a solution -- do away with all damages for medical malpractice and all penalties for killing doctors.
Then if a doctor kills or injures you or a loved one, you can kill them.
So we have partially done away with the death penalty and there will be no need for malpractice insurance. AND it would be a boon for life insurance for doctors.
But I suppose after awhile doctors will be complaining that life insurance was too high.
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Helenjw
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posted on January 17, 2003 09:15:11 AM new
re: about killing doctors
Psychiatrists rank in the risky occupation categoty along with police and prison guards. They are often shot.
If the medical/insurance situation in this country is not resolved, doctors and insurance agents may be added to the list.
There is a limit to what people will tolerate.
Helen
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gravid
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posted on January 17, 2003 11:43:08 AM new
Re: killing docs
Sounds like you have been living in a cave and don't realize all the nut cases out there that would blame the doc no matter that it was a hopeless case.
We are dealing with two seperate families in our extended relatives right now that have a member with Alzheimers just like we went through and they are both in totally irrational denial and would love to have anyone else to blame as a way of feeling less responsible themselves. They would feel a great sense of closure to be able to plug the doc and walk away feeling someone - anyone was to "blame".
Every family that had a less than perfect child born somebody would probably shoot the doc. Easier than blaming yourself.
That is the essense of animism and witchcraft that human nature adopts so easy - that nothing just happens - someone is always to blame.
Crops failed this year? Burn a couple witches.
Bad wind knock your hut down? Toss a virgin in the volcano.
Uncle Harry died on the table? Shot the doc.
[ edited by gravid on Jan 17, 2003 11:45 AM ]
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 17, 2003 11:56:46 AM new
Gravid, your posts made me wonder - if a person had a scalpel left in them and didn't know it, and was caught at the airport, what do you think would happen?? What if he was from the middle east?
Like an eye for and eye mlecher... imagine how ridiculous life would be! 
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Helenjw
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posted on January 17, 2003 12:15:01 PM new
LOL! Kraftdinner
Helen
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 17, 2003 12:35:37 PM new
Hi gorgeous!!
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Helenjw
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posted on January 17, 2003 12:37:53 PM new
Hey, Beautiful! I'm impressed that you remembered! HaHaHa!
Helen
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 17, 2003 12:44:13 PM new
Why?... because of all the pot I smoke??... just kidding!!
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Helenjw
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posted on January 17, 2003 12:47:31 PM new
I'm still waiting for my shipment.
LOL!!!
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junquemama
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posted on January 17, 2003 01:09:27 PM new
Raiseing hand ,Me too! Me too! I love free samples...
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 17, 2003 01:19:33 PM new
It's just you 2 need the most potent stuff and it's hard to find. Be patient!!!
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Helenjw
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posted on January 17, 2003 01:24:32 PM new
Kraftdinner is hogging it all, junquemama. We need Canadian friends. LOL!!!
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Helenjw
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posted on January 17, 2003 01:29:28 PM new
We had better shut up. Some idiot will believe we are serious.
Helen
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 17, 2003 02:21:44 PM new
Fine. I'll tell the Escobar's it's off!! Ahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
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Helenjw
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posted on January 17, 2003 02:55:01 PM new
Wait... "It's off" sounds so final.
...tell him bye for now, but don't lose track of him forever.
Tell him that I like his artwork.
Helen
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junquemama
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posted on January 17, 2003 03:08:06 PM new
Helen,I always heard a friend in need..Besides who is to say I cant take up farming in another Country?......
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kraftdinner
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posted on January 17, 2003 03:09:40 PM new
Yes, he's real talented Helen. Here's his latest....
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Helenjw
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posted on January 17, 2003 04:08:56 PM new
Hahaha!!!
On second thought....let's give Escobar a final good bye.
Adiós por siempre, Escobar....
Kraftdinner, I think you need some instructions from junquemama. She knows how to cut out the middleman!!!
LOL!!!
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plsmith
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posted on January 22, 2003 12:52:04 AM new
"There's no breakdown of where they're left, but most are left in fat people because there's more room."
Sorry, I couldn't make myself slog through this entire thread but thought the above remark was all I needed to know and also gave me a laugh.
Hope you're doing well, Ken...
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helenjw
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posted on January 22, 2003 07:47:01 AM new
Hi Pat!!!
It requires a higher count...more fat, more sponges to keep track of. LOL
Good to see you!
Helen
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