posted on January 17, 2003 02:59:26 AM new
It's time we all started with a clean slate. What happened to the "all men are equal." I shouldn't have to pay for what my or someone else's great, great grandparents may or may not have done.
All should be judged by their merit. If you want something. Work for it. On an equal playing field.
I went to a community college during the beginning of the AFFIRMATIVE ACTION push. It was a joke. A few belonged there, most should have been in Junior High. They pushed them through and now they are the incompetent people you meet in State and Federal government. I don't blame them for taking advantage of opportunity but "If you can't piss with the big dogs get off the porch." You had your chance in high school and didn't take advantage.
Years later I had the pleasure of working at R. P. I. I had a Young black man working with me as a Student worker. Got to be very good friends with him and most of the black community on campus. All deserved to be where they were. Tops in there class. They all got there by working hard, not AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.
New York State has a Dept. of Women. What's that all about? We have a ton of laws for civil rights for all. If they are broken ... use them. "EQUAL Rights for all"
posted on January 17, 2003 04:43:44 AM new
Maybe colorblind admissions are a little harder than they seem. Someone mentioned numbers to identify potential students. That would be great.
People from other countries, especially Asians have come to our country, not speaking our language and have excelled. They haven't been given 'special' points because of the color of their skin.
Asians have benefited from programs aimed at minorities. As have women of ALL races.
Wouldn't most people say that I'm actually OWED by black people for the sacifices of my ancestors to help their ancestors?
Wouldn't most people say that you OWE black people if your ancestors benefited in anyway from slave labor?
Gov. Davis' new plan would skim much of the local property tax and redistribute it more evenly throughout the state. Of course the locals are up in arms over it. To me, Davis' plan is a fair, color-blind solution. (In fact, I said so in this forum, a year ago.)
Is this solution colorblind? What is the racial makeup of the people living in the rich neighborhoods? What is the racial makeup of the school districts that get the "skimmed" money?
If the rich are mainly white and the school districts that get the money are mainly black. There is nothing color-blind about that.
posted on January 17, 2003 04:44:17 AM new
Reverend Colin:
I agree - it would be nice to start with a "clean slate."
My family was in Scotland at the time of the Civil War. They did not own slaves. My ancestors were slaves to the British, slaughtered because of their desire for freedom. Slavery is not unique to the black race. . .
I worked with a black woman for almost a year. I tried, and tried and tried to befriend her because I liked her for "her". I included her in events, took an interest in her upcoming marriage, etc. She was very nice to me - to my face. Then, I started hearing things from her. Things like, all our white clients (we provided services to lower income people with severe health problems) are "White Trash", her "people" are never treated fairly (even though 99% of "her people" were the ones we were providing service to for FREE). It disturbed me. I reported it to my immediate supervisor who did nothing because I firmly believe he was afraid of her. She used to make comments about how she knew this important person and that important person. It was the beginning of reverse discrimination in action. I had been with the company 2 years longer than she was and she believed that (although her position was under mine) she should be making more than me because she is black and has been treated unfairly. No joke.
To make a long story short, we had to lay her off. Because of downsizing in the organization, her position was eliminated. Oh boy, that was all she needed. She reported us for racial discrimination (even though 95% of our clients are black, in her mind we laid her off soley because she was black), Medicaid and Medicare fraud and anything else she could think of. Well, the company is now closed because of something she wrongly accused it of (not enough space to get into it) and the company did not have the funds to fight back. A non-profit (unless you are the Cleveland Clinic) doesn't have legal funds just laying around.
My point is this, I'm all for equality and believe people should be accepted for WHO they are not WHAT they are. I don't care if you are black, blue or green. If you can do the job, if you can go to college and excel that's great. I'd be willing to help where I can. However, Affirmative Action doesn't work for the whole, and I believe we need to rethink it. People of all races and sexes are discriminated against everyday - yes, some more than others. As long as you have people like the girl I worked with (who hates white people) or organizations like the KKK (that hate everyone BUT white people), discrimination will live on. And, in my opinion, that's the saddest thing of all.
Like all the rest of us, Bush is entitled to his opinion. We have the choice to agree with it or not. I choose, for the most part, to not agree with most of what he says. Do I agree with his comments on this issue? The jury is still out. . . .
posted on January 17, 2003 06:31:25 AM new
National Assoc. of Scholars Study Refuting U of MI's Diversity Theory.
[older article, on this issue, with links]
posted on January 17, 2003 06:56:14 AM new
As the Washington Post states:
Specifically, the court will consider whether Michigan is violating Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, which bars racial discrimination by federally funded institutions, or the clause of the Constitution's 14th Amendment that guarantees equal treatment for all citizens under state law -- or both.
posted on January 17, 2003 06:58:11 AM new
reverend
The problem, "rev" is that schools today are not equal and in many areas remain segregated. Schools in slums, ghettos and rural areas for example are generally all black. You are right. You shouldn't have to pay for what your ancestors did to this country but you should feel responsible for the situation in your society TODAY. Does that not bother you "rev"???
The fact that you can find a few black kids who worked hard and succeeded does not atone for all the others who have to attend inferior schools with inferior buildings, books, counselors, and incompetent teachers.
Shame on you "rev". I would expect more understanding from a man in your godly position.
posted on January 17, 2003 07:17:21 AM new
Discrimination because of race is wrong
AA is (believe it or not!) is discrimination because of race
Therefore, AA is wrong!
There is no such thing as "Good" race discrimination. Only racists believe that!
Two wrongs do NOT make a right.
AA does NOT make a level playing field.
Too believe otherwise means you are deluding yourself.
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We call them our heroes...but we pay them like chumps
posted on January 17, 2003 07:25:39 AM newNational security adviser Condoleezza Rice took a rare central role in a domestic debate within the White House and helped persuade President Bush to publicly condemn race-conscious admissions policies at the University of Michigan, administration officials said yesterday.
The officials said Rice, in a series of lengthy one-on-one meetings with Bush, drew on her experience as provost at Stanford University to help convince him that favoring minorities was not an effective way of improving diversity on college campuses.
Rice, the first female national security adviser, told Bush that she worked to increase the number of African American faculty members at Stanford but that she was "absolutely opposed to quotas," a senior administration official said. A Stanford official said that under Rice, who served from 1993 to 1999 and was the university's first nonwhite provost, the number of black faculty members increased from 36 to 44.
Officials described Rice as one of the prime movers behind Bush's announcement on Wednesday that he would urge the Supreme Court to strike down Michigan's affirmative action program.
posted on January 17, 2003 07:40:11 AM newshop4shoes:Wouldn't most people say that you OWE black people if your ancestors benefited in anyway from slave labor?
And just how do you ascertain which people should paying them back? My family, for instance, didn't even arrive in this country until the late 1890's. The whole concept, in any case, is ridiculous. In every country on earth, different peoples at different times have "wronged" other peoples. By this reasoning every person on the planet owes reparation to someone and should be punished until they finish "paying."
Borillar: You live in a dream world. Bigotry will always exist--that is human nature. That is why we have to pass laws to control it. Heck, black Americans aren't exempt from being bigots themselves.
And I think a big disservice is being done to black Americans with things like this. In a sense they are crippled by it. Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on January 17, 2003 07:58:49 AM new
So? What does that have to do with the price of milk? Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on January 17, 2003 08:07:02 AM newRacists are in favor of your position, mlecher. Your position is KKK endorsed. Helen
Well, Helen, so do the majority of professors in our nations universities. If you read that NAS site, it shows the polls they took...and their results. Think they are members of the KKK too? I don't.
posted on January 17, 2003 08:15:06 AM new
I don't think they are either, Linda.
But do you know that some "professors in our nations universities" are occasionally required to take sensitivity training because of perceived racist thoughts or actions???
posted on January 17, 2003 08:15:26 AM new
I'm not a damned victim, so please quit treating me like one. I'm tired of your willingness to accept my failures without encouraging me to get back up. I'm tired of your willingness to accept the demasculization of the black male. I'm tired of your willingness to accept less than what I'm capable of. In short, I'm tired of what is currently recognized as African-American leadership.
I've come to the harsh realization that black people have been pimped. Just like a woman of ill-repute, black people been exploited in every way imaginable, yet our leaders still expect us to keep coming back for more of the same treatment. Even worse, blacks who do become part of the free market and start to enjoy the priviledges of being an American are either ridiculed or ignored by their leaders.
This poses quite a delimma. Civil rights leaders have limited black society to two choices: Either adopt the victim mentality, wait for the handouts and be praised -- or accept responsibilities like a man and risk being labeled an "Uncle Tom." Personally I was fortunate to have a father who taught me discipline so I chose to be a man. Being a man means taking control of your situation and leaving the handouts for those who really need them. After years of being ostracized because of their reluctance to subscribe to the victim mentality, conservative blacks have been continuously confronted by the philosophically of ignorance. It stands to reason that if current African-American leaders are upset because black conservatives use intellect and integrity to make the best of a situation, then the leaders need to take a long hard look in the mirror as to who are the real "Uncle Toms."
If promoting and dwelling in victimhood is the solution to our prosperity, why do we continue to suffer? I'm sure that you are as aware as I am that as long as we've used this excuse our situation has worsened and so has the level of self-hatred among our people. These negative consequences may not be the intent of our leaders, but the result is the same no matter their motives. The time is now for African-Americans to think for ourselves. The time is now for our leaders to start listening to us and stop preaching to us. After all, we are the ones who know what's wrong with our communities. Our world is changing and so are our political opinions. If we are to be a legitimate force to be dealt with, we have to disassociate ourselves from the slave mentality and embrace the spirit of the American Constitution.
The truth is slavery was a Godawful experience and we should remember our people who were oppressed by it. The fact is today we are free. We are free to be victims just as well as we are free to be self-supporting individuals. Today, unlike our ancestors, we do have a choice. It's time for us to tell our leaders that. If they don't listen, then it's time to elect new ones.
by Michael Sharp, a member of the national Advisory Council of the African-American leadership group Project 21, and a free-lance writer based out Toledo, Ohio.
Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on January 17, 2003 08:33:18 AM new
I think that it's sad that the majority of people in this country feel that affirmative action should not be available to minorities. It's especially sad because poverty will increase and schools in poverty neighborhoods will not be improved under this administration.
All minorities will suffer under the Bush administration and so will this society.
posted on January 17, 2003 08:41:03 AM new
Sure, try to make this into a anti-Bush issue. It won't work, it's not about Bush. Too many on both sides are in agreement on this issue. Take a look at the posters Helen....it's a matter of how one see's this issue/subject.
What about the notion that affirmative action has helped blacks rise out of poverty? The black poverty rate was cut in half before affirmative action -- and has barely changed since then.
What about the notion that blacks would not be able to get into colleges and universities without affirmative action? After group preferences and quotas were banned in California's state universities, the number of black students in the University of California system has risen.
Fewer are attending Berkeley and more are attending other universities, whose normal admissions standards they meet. These students are now more likely to graduate, which is the whole point.
http://www.salon.com/sept97/columnists/horowitz2970915.html On the basis of what actually has happened, increasing numbers of civil rights supporters are concluding that affirmative action is not only having little or no effect on the income and education gaps, but is actually destructive to the people it is supposed to help. It is creating black failure while stirring the resentment of other groups who see themselves displaced, on the basis of race, from their hard-earned places of merit.
http://www.pacificnews.org/jinn/stories/3.11/970529-affirmative.html Unlike Mr. Ikenbury, I turn my thoughts to what lies behind. I belong to the first student generation of affirmative action. Actually, affirmative action found me in college in the late 1960s. One year I had a scholarship for being bright; the next I had a scholarship for being brown
The fact is that after 25 years no one holds the educational innovations of the 1960s responsible for producing results. After a full generation of bilingual education, for example, the Hispanic dropout rate from high school continues unabated. After a generation of affirmative action, most children of poverty do not imagine themselves in college.
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Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
[ edited by bunnicula on Jan 17, 2003 09:38 AM ]
posted on January 17, 2003 10:29:37 AM new
Boy, I'm glad that I read this thread! I feel so victimized! I bet that I've suffered untold loss of income and self-esteem from this profligate program designed to benefit what must be a naturally inferior race since its results are imperfect, unlike almost every other human endeavor.
posted on January 17, 2003 11:30:40 AM new
Helen -
"We have failed the Black race."
Maybe you have - don't say "we" sweetcakes.
I have always treated black people with respect and equality. Can't say the favor has always been returned. I refuse respomsibility for the actions of others I don't control. Always have. When the teacher punished the whole class because someone did something and nobody ratted them out I told them they were making themselves my enemy. Then when someone did get us all punished and I pounded the snot out of them they didn't understand why. - Duh...
If it is looked at as a legal problem the standard would be to make them whole. In real life there are seldom any ways to actually make someone whole.
If you harm someone by say causeing the loss of their arm the law here (not Arabia) will offer some just compensation. They don't cut the offending person's arm off which serves nobody well.
Reversing the discrimination is cutting the offending parties arm off. It just prolongs the institutionalized injustice.
It marks the black student as second rate.
It harms another to uplift the harmed.
They could have accomplished the same thing by spending the money to make more slots available and then offering a hefty financial support to minority students. But all the hand wringing guilt and desire to do right falls short if it would actually cost money!
[ edited by gravid on Jan 17, 2003 11:33 AM ]
posted on January 17, 2003 11:44:41 AM new
You know, very well, gravid, that when I used the word, "we" that I was referring to the United States of America. Anyone vaguely familiar with American history will understand my remark.
I'll leave your comment for others to analyze, "poosie"....
You call me sweetcakes???
LOL! You're lucky that you were only called poosie...I should have used a "u" in that name.
Ideas offered rather than giving blacks, indians and eskimos [only] the extra points were:
RACE-NEUTRAL FACTORS The Justice Department contended that among the race-neutral factors the university could have and should have used in assessing each applicant were:
a history of overcoming disadvantage;
geographic origin;
"challenging living or family situations;"
volunteer or work experiences;
exceptional personal talents;
dedication to a particularpolitical or social cause.
The briefs argued that the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which was adopted in 1868 to help dismantle the legal apparatus of slavery and racial inferiority, requires that the government treat people as individuals and not as members of a racial, ethnic, sexual or religious category.
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Also, I was surprised to read that two different admission forms were used at UMI according to the race of the applicant. One for blacks, latinos and eskimos and a totally different one for the other applicants. Separate forms were needed rather than the same form for all.
[ edited by Linda_K on Jan 17, 2003 12:10 PM ]
posted on January 17, 2003 11:56:00 AM new
>SIGH< All right. I'm going to explain it to you. But really, you all need to look beyond your noses and your next meal for the answers. Simple solutions DO NOT fix complicated problems.
OK. Speaking just about the Black Race here in America and the "White Guilt". When I say 'We', I mean those of our White Ancestors who participated in the terrible doings that made us all fell the White Guilt.
We all know how we purchased slaves from Africa, sold by other blacks. We know that we sold generations of blacks like animals, breaking families apart, raping them, treating them like sub-humans. We've learned a lot about this.
We have also learned all about how Segregation kept the Black folk down and poor. And Civil Rights marches, Alabama, Mississippi, and so forth to the Civil rights Amendment, to Affirmative Action programs and so on.
The problem is, is that none of you is trying to visualize the consequences that this has had for them.
We are held together by our cultures, our belief systems handed down to us through the centuries and even the millennia. Our lives are structured and productive, not because we work our rears off, but because we apply a 'work ethic' that has been time tested from the building of the walls of Babylon and of Jericho, to the Pyramids, Greece, Rome, Medieval Europe and so forth. This and a hundred other things that we take for granted in our daily lives allow us to move and to work successfully and to live a life that works as well as it does.
Black in America don't have that.
Whatever ancient culture, values, and morals that they had we systematically destroyed through the process of slavery and Christianization (cultural warfare). As slaves, most were purposely kept at the level of animals and only allowed to act according to biblical beliefs in place of their own heritage. The Work Ethic was replaced by the Slave Ethic.
After the Blacks were set free, they were systematically and categorically denied the help that they needed to create a working culture. We see the results today. After a hundred anf fourty years of freedom, the only thing that many have learned for sure is not to trust the White Race for anything. Many Blacks still live in a Culture of Despair, a culture reminiscent of Slavery. Had Afirmative Action been in place after the Civil War, we might have been able to help them to reconstruct a society and a culture. As it is, we devastated them and suppressed them and kept them in the darkness of ignorance and superstition.
Truly, these days, there are many educated Blacks. Those that have adopted the European Work Ethic and Ways to get ahead in life are called derisive names like "Uncle Tom" by those who are still looking for their culture to mature. Many, due to continuing poverty and a tradition of suspicion will never get anywhere but a young death or lifetime incarceration. They are a people in need.
I am not saying that Black people aren't racist. I've written about here on the RT before about how, growing up, I ended up on the receiving end of racial prejudice from Black people. I didn't hate them for it, I understood them for it. I am not saying that any one single individual is innocent or bigotry free. I am referring to a whole culture, a society, an entire people who have been so affected. It is to these people that we, the inheritors of the works of our forefathers have also incurred a great debt that we all owe.
And Why do we still owe it?
Since the total destruction of the Blacks in this country in the past has created a giant mess that continues today, taking away those things that are working to improve the quality of life for blacks in their neighborhoods and homes is a crime that we are committing. That it is going to take more than one or two generations to change people's minds; to change their minds about slavery, about discrimination, about oppression, about education, about civilization, about hope and dreams come true. If you take away Affirmative Action ~ which is working to help these Black people, by the way - a working program that really works, then you had best come up with a ALTERNATE PLAN that works better!
Are we going to eliminate Affirmative Action? If so, what plan are we going to use in place of it that works better? A little state program here, a personal effort there? We are about to do to the Black people what we did to Afghanistan and almost did to Iraq: destroy the existing structure and replace it with absolute chaos, aka Nothing.
So, as I said, I agree that AA is unfair to Whites who should not have any right at this time to complain about a little bit of reverse-prejudice. Great. Let's hear your entire plan to revamp the system. Once you have a great working plan to put into place that is much better, I'm all for it! Until then, DON'T kick the legs out of a program that is succeeding, but has a few setbacks to it!
posted on January 17, 2003 11:56:28 AM new
Well I felt you were including me. I'm a US citizen and I am white (kinda pasty pink with freckles).
This racism thing gets me.
They say by definition you have to have power to be a racist.
But how much power do you need?
I have gone in a dinner and they wouldn't wait on me because I was white.
That seems like enough power to ruin my day. I felt it was a racist slight. And silly.
If you are robbed because you are white in the wrong neighborhood being on the wrong end of the gun muzzle sure seems like enough power.
Seems like a evasive lie to say you have to be able to move the dow jones average or such. I don't know many individuals that have that much power. And all racist actions come down to an individual decision. Institutions may appear to decide something but that is their reason for existing to anonymize the acts of individuals whether it is to drop an atomic bomb or red-line a house loan. That's why they keep the names of the state executioners secret to provide the illusion the "state" killed a prisoner. But the stste did not. A doctor broke his medical oath to do it. That is what war crimes trials are about - stripping the cloak of secrecy off and making the individual acountable.
I can not see what Borillar suggests:
"we might have been able to help them to reconstruct a society and a culture"
as a solution. They are being offered a chance to join in THIS society and culture and that they were outside as slaves. All the other seperate but equal or other segregated society concepts such as a black territory don't work. anymore than we have a seperate Irish culture among us. South Africa tried that with the black territories. The best qualities of their culture would be adapted - as their music has been. I am listening to Art Tatum play piano as I type this.
posted on January 17, 2003 12:42:27 PM new
>I can not see what Borillar suggests: "we might have been able to help them to reconstruct a society and a culture" as a solution. They are being offered a chance to join in THIS society and culture and that they were outside as slaves.
After the Civil War, when the Black slaves were set free, they had no home culture; no story to tell but of their misery caused by the Whites. Do you think that they could have simply walked right on into a job the very next day? Read your history ~ especially the history of what it was like in the South after the Civil War for the Blacks. Could we have gone in there with Reconstruction Projects that built the schools that they needed, sent experts down to show them how to organize politically and to make sure that they could vote? Did we send down monetary aid to them so that they could buy a farm somewhere, with seed and animals and tools? Did we come down there to give them a hand-up out of Slavery? NO!
Instead, a lot of White people, particularly in the South, did everything that they could to keep the ex-slaves still as slaves. Read about Sharecropping. What little assistance that they got in the way of education or personal help was a tiny trickle that did some good, but for the most part, these people have had to drag themselves up to where they are now. And they are only half there.
But if Civil Rights and Affirmative Action had not come about, they would still be slaves. Not legally, but in all practicality. Without those positive programs, they would not be as far out of slavery as they are now by a long shot; for only the power and money and manpower behind the Federal government could local prejudices be stifled, only with that will power of those who sometimes sacrificed themselves to the cause of raising up the black people were they able to get anywhere at all. And where are they today?
I don't have to tell you about the statistics of Black youths, their films, their music, their way of life as a society unto themselves. We know all about that. What we DON'T focus on (except for bleeding hearts, I should add) is how are we going to FINISH the job?
How ARE we going to get the black slave nation in America up onto their feet on a parr with ourselves; meaning, to have every opportunity put at their feet as it is to us? Had we had the foresight, instead of shortsightedness that was the case, back when the slaves were first set free to help them out, we wouldn't be in this mess.
And what mess it that, you ask? Tell me: do black people live on another planet? Another America unseen by White people? No. They live with us, they work with us, and even play with us. How they live, though, affects each and every one of us. We are all affecting one another, whether we wish it or not. That's what happens in a society. We can not lift ourselves up any higher until we reach down to those who have not yet made it and help to pick them up and place them next to us as equals and brothers and sisters and only then can we hope to go forward towards our common destiny.
posted on January 17, 2003 12:45:46 PM new
I had two great grandpa's in the civil war,Anyone that would suggest that war, was to free slaves only,Does not know what they are talking about.Only the very rich owned slaves.My familys had land,with many fields of cotton,and vegtables.There were acres of fruit,gum,and pecan and walnut trees.There were 12 to 16 children born to most familys in that time frame,This was the workers of those family farms, and the share croppers made life a little easier for familys back then.The first thing stolen after the war was land,by gun or by tax.The farmers fought for their land in the civil war,to ignore that fact, is an insult to many southeners.
Legislative action by both the State and the Confederate Union added to the general excited conditions of the time. The legislature on January 13, 1862, passed a law providing that if any person within "this State should maliciously and advisedly discourage people from enlisting in the service of Texas or of the Confederate States or dispose the people to favor the enemy, every such person shall be deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by imprisonment in the penitentiary for not less than three years nor more than five years, at the discretion of the jury."
In 1862, a conscription law was passed by the Confederate States Congress. Under its provisions all males from 18 to 45 years of age were to be placed in the service, except ministers, state, city and county officers and certain slave owners. All persons holding 15 slaves, or over, were exempt. This provision gave rise to the saying that the struggle was the "rich man's war and the poor man's fight." It caused much discontent and severe criticism.
It was only natural that certain men should not want to go to war. One newspaper commented on this situation as follows: "William N. Hardeman, enrolling officer for Travis County, published in the Gazette the names of deserters. They were mostly young men of Union proclivities who had been conscripted and enrolled but had left the country to avoid service."
In another newspaper, a business man of Austin, subject to conscription, advertised that he would give $1,000 for a substitute to take his place in the army. This is just a sample of how some men managed to escape actual fighting and remained at home.
posted on January 17, 2003 01:52:52 PM new
And another thing,Anyone who professes to believe in God,and believe another race to be inferior is a jerk!.God created us all, if you believe in any part of the bible.We all have a purpose,and the one thing I have found out,thru out my travels,Jackass's come in all colors.None of us are born with racist thoughts,Our familys are the building blocks or the demolition teams of for our souls.Regardless of the family enviroment you were brought up in,You can grow on your own thru acceptance of all,or wither away from the vine for lack of oxygen.
Ever see anyone dying,who held hate of any kind during their life and on thru to their last breath?
posted on January 17, 2003 04:45:06 PM newOur lives are structured and productive, not because we work our rears off, but because we apply a 'work ethic' that has been time tested from the building of the walls of Babylon and of Jericho, to the Pyramids, Greece, Rome, Medieval Europe and so forth. This and a hundred other things that we take for granted in our daily lives allow us to move and to work successfully and to live a life that works as well as it does.
Black in America don't have that.
Whatever ancient culture, values, and morals that they had we systematically destroyed through the process of slavery and Christianization (cultural warfare). As slaves, most were purposely kept at the level of animals and only allowed to act according to biblical beliefs in place of their own heritage. The Work Ethic was replaced by the Slave Ethic.
This has got to be one of the most racist--and ignorant--things I have read in a long time!
The fact is, that after the Civil War, blacks had an extremely strong sense of family AND a powerful work ethic. It was the welfare enactments of the 60s that actually began tearing *down* the black family. Blacks, pre-60's, worked hard for their education against poor odds and had a strong culture including music, philosophy, art, business, etc. etc. etc.
We did them no favors with welfare & affirmative action, which engenders a second-class "I'm a victim" mentality that tells them that they can't succeed unless whites lower standards for them... Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
