neonmania
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posted on February 17, 2003 10:01:28 PM new
Linda - I haven't seen a website listed to check out although if there was one - I certainly would.
I did look up Workers World Party - you are right, they are socialists but I don't see anything about them being organizers, just supporters. Their site is a bit idealistic but...
::They are socialists, anti-capitalists, Marxist; and God only know what else.::
...might be a little strong. It's not like they are dog kicking, firebombing, baby rapers. I think we all know that communism is a overwhelming failure and although their are a few countries hanging on with their last breath to it;s tattered remains.
I'm just curious....what exactly was the great evil of the concept behind communism? True the realities of the countries which tried to implement it were problematic (I'm being nice, I know) but what are the actual evils of the concept?
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austbounty
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posted on February 17, 2003 11:41:10 PM new
Linda don't answer questions, she just preaches.
So don't you go being a communist, Marxist, Leninist, Trotskyist, Leftist, Anarchist, Antidisestablismentarianist. You will be doing the devils work at bringing down the 'free' world.
Beware the RED PERIL,
ADVANCE CAVEAT EMPTOR, better dead than red.
Gees’ Do all Americans hate ALL communist countries?
Now, if dubya had a brother who was in the UN, he could reject all votes from anyone with any
Cuumyanist Fillyeashuns in order to gain a ‘mandate’. (Democracy???)
Protest signs.-
Give US your oil
& we’ll let your
babies live.
Chief Dodge’a
Dubya
If they retaliate
Use duct tape.
Sadam Has WOMD
BUSH knows
He has the reciepts.
We must have the WOMD
Because we need a cause
We’re here to help
So kiss your ass goodbye
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ferncrestmotel
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posted on February 18, 2003 08:19:07 AM new
Here's a few more:
The Kurds had it coming - they protested against their government.
Saddam - Just tell the world where you keep all your "disappeared" - at Neverland Ranch.
Saddam - Give your Iraq-Iran War POWs back their ears as a show of good faith.
Iraq accidentally invaded Kuwait due to deceptive American-produced roadmaps.
It was ok for the Clinton administration to bomb Iraq - that's different.
[ edited by ferncrestmotel on Feb 18, 2003 11:38 AM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on February 18, 2003 08:49:22 AM new
"Give Saddam More Time - 12 yrs Wasn't Enough" 
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bear1949
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posted on February 18, 2003 03:13:36 PM new
We don't need lab animals, we have the Kurds
Human shields? bring on the actors.....
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NearTheSea
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posted on February 18, 2003 03:24:08 PM new
If we didn't have this war looming, we'd have nothing to b*tch about!
Art Bell Retired! George Noory is on late night coasttocoastam.com
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NearTheSea
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posted on February 18, 2003 03:27:17 PM new
ferncrestmotel, that one was good, and true!
It was ok for the Clinton administration to bomb Iraq - that's different.
Yeah where were you guys when He did that?
Art Bell Retired! George Noory is on late night coasttocoastam.com
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fiset
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posted on February 18, 2003 05:28:09 PM new
Hello from a long time listener, first time caller. Well, actually, not a first time caller but I rarely post.
In any event, here are a few suggested signs I read (and enjoyed) in the NY Post today:
No Interference with Saddam's Torture Chambers!
Let Saddam Have the Weapons He Wants!
Crush the Curds!
Poison Gas, Deadly Germs and Nuclear Weapons for Terrorist Groups!
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ferncrestmotel
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posted on February 19, 2003 01:20:14 PM new
More:
France, Germany, & Russia have nothing to hide in Iraq (such as evidence of support for Iraq's outlawed nuclear program provided during the past 12 years.)
There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - uh, except the proscribed missiles & chemical warheads the inspectors found. (Maybe some other stuff, too, once it's found)
There is no Hell; there is only France - Frank Zappa
Saddam's favorite book is Hitler's "Mein Kampf" - It's my favorite, too!
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Linda_K
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posted on February 19, 2003 01:35:20 PM new
fiset - Hello back @ ya. Welcome. 
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ferncrestmotel
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posted on February 20, 2003 07:18:53 AM new
Two more:
"Leave Saddam alone - save him for Hillary"
"Saddam's brain surgeon is a proctologist"
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colin
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posted on February 20, 2003 07:31:37 AM new
USF professor accused of terrorist sympathies arrested by FBI.
[url]
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/5223561.htm[/url]
here's another story on this.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/875058.asp?cp1=1#BODY
I heard somewhere, he or his group were one of the war protest rally organizers but can't find the FACTS at the moment.
Amen,
American,
Reverend Colin
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ferncrestmotel
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posted on February 20, 2003 07:52:27 AM new
Or:
I'm having French w(h)ine with my Ben & Jerry's.
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bones21
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posted on February 20, 2003 08:14:10 AM new
neonmania,
Regarding: "I did look up Workers World Party - you are right, they are socialists but I don't see anything about them being organizers, just supporters. Their site is a bit idealistic but..."
see:
http://www.aim.org/publications/media_monitor/2003/02/12.html
"The New York Times has belatedly acknowledged that some of the organizers of the January18th "anti-war" rally in Washington were communists. The Times admitted that "Some of the group's chief organizers are active in the Workers World Party, a radical Socialist group...."
Also:
http://www.catholicherald.com/articles/letters/03letters/0206.htm
"one of the major organizers of these protest marches as well as those in San Francisco, the International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism). However, it failed to inform the reader that this organization is a front group for the Communist Workers World Party...."
[ edited by bones21 on Feb 20, 2003 08:24 AM ]
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neonmania
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posted on February 20, 2003 09:15:15 AM new
Bones - OK. When I went to the site, they made no claims of organizing and I was not going to make the leap without something other than a strong suspicion - hanks for the update.
I actually still see their political affilition somewhat irrelevent to the unltimate cause.
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bones21
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posted on February 20, 2003 09:38:29 AM new
neonmania,
"unltimate cause" ?
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I'm pretty sure you meant ultimate cause...
So what is the Ultimate Cause and why would the political affilation be irrelevent???
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neonmania
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posted on February 20, 2003 09:57:56 AM new
Bones - Sorry - I apologize profusely and beg forgiveness for the typo in my post. Are we really that nit picky?
Ultimate cause of the rally would be voicing ones desire for an avoidance of war (did that determination really elude you?).
Political affiliation irrelevant because it is a universal issue. They were not protesting to further the cause of communism. They weren't signing people up for their Commie Card, they merely organized an event which enabled people of differing beliefs to come together and demonstrate for a common cause.
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bones21
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posted on February 20, 2003 10:17:24 AM new
Relax about the typo! We all make mistakes. I thought maybe it was a new word...
I know they were protesting the war...
and that's fine.
There are some underlying Communist connections, though, which are not "irrelevent"
...they were one of the Chief Organizers of the events as the stated in the links.
And who wants to bet they didn't sign anybody up?
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Guess we just have a difference of opinion here as to how relevent this is.
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And from your earlier post to Linda,
"Take my hand, let me introduce you to the middleground..."
There really is NO middleground between Capitalism and Communism/Socialism IMHO.
[ edited by bones21 on Feb 20, 2003 10:39 AM ]
[ edited by bones21 on Feb 20, 2003 10:40 AM ]
[ edited by bones21 on Feb 20, 2003 11:11 AM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on February 20, 2003 03:00:44 PM new
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
[ edited by Twelvepole on Feb 20, 2003 03:01 PM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on February 20, 2003 03:02:28 PM new
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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ijusthaveit
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posted on February 20, 2003 03:22:29 PM new
We Wont Stop Till you say Allah,Allah,Oxen Free!
Bagdad Here today,Sand Tomarrow!
Why Protest,did you forget to vote?
It's not about oil,we need more table cloths
Stop the protest,your signs are scaring def people.
Save the camels,f***k Iraq
I don't trust any country without a U after the Q
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bear1949
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posted on February 20, 2003 03:32:39 PM new
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Linda_K
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posted on February 20, 2003 04:01:35 PM new
Thanks for those links, bones. It's greatly appreciated and helps to prove that I don't come on here and make false accusations.
Great picture bear.
From the 'about me' page of the Workers World Party:
What is our basic view? We're for socialism.
The capitalist profit system is unplanned and irrational. It's wrecking the world.
The competition for markets produces devastating wars and environmental destruction.
So our goal is a society run by the workers, not just as pawns in a capitalist political game but as collective owners of the social wealth.
[b]We're independent Marxists[b]....
[ edited by Linda_K on Feb 20, 2003 04:04 PM ]
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ferncrestmotel
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posted on February 20, 2003 04:18:58 PM new
More:
If Bush would fire a rifle from his balcony and wag swords around, I'd vote for him!
Bush only pronounces it "nook-you-ler" to take the heat off Jimmy Carter.
Clinton didn't finish off Saddam, but of course, he didn't inhale either . . .
The Republicans supported Clinton's bombing of Iraq? So What?
Saddam says the U.S. wants his oil . . . the Iraqi people wouldn't mind having it, either . . .
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bear1949
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posted on February 20, 2003 04:34:41 PM new
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bear1949
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posted on February 20, 2003 04:38:10 PM new
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bones21
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posted on February 20, 2003 05:26:01 PM new
[ edited by bones21 on Feb 20, 2003 05:31 PM ]
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ferncrestmotel
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posted on February 20, 2003 07:21:32 PM new
Funny stuff, Bear!
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ferncrestmotel
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posted on February 20, 2003 07:25:06 PM new
twelvepole -
Cool images. I hope the peaceful protesters didn't kill the pro-military action guys . . .
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profe51
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posted on February 20, 2003 07:38:12 PM new
bear, that picture just makes me feel all warm and proud...the powerful symbol of US might, about to swoop down on an unsuspecting evil towel-head and his friends...we'll show 'em...yeah...
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