beecandles
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posted on September 17, 2001 11:42:11 PM new
You want BEDLAM?
How about charging a "banned" Seller of ePier, that worked her but off for many months to promote that site, and gave her time and knowledge to promote it...and then gets BANNED for no reason and without any warning!, then her auctions held hostage (as she had NO WAY to access them) ..then gets charged via email FVF for auctions that ended way before the Sept. 17th Deadline....which in my book STINKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
So is that OK? I don't think so...........shows ePier as being the CROOKS and IDIOTS that they are!
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beecandles
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posted on September 19, 2001 05:58:30 PM new
ePier tried to charge a "banned" Seller FVF on auctions that ended way before the Septmeber 17th date...so there is something wrong! Be careful and do not give your Credit Card number out easily!!!!
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dimview
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posted on September 19, 2001 06:18:04 PM new
beecandles >
... charging a "banned" Seller ...
... tried to charge a "banned" Seller ...
I'd like to know which of these statements are true and correct.
If the former, the seller should immediately dispute the charge with the credit card company; if the latter, the seller has been subjected to some aggravation to be sure, but is fortunate that ePier didn't have a credit card number to charge.
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goldenpony
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posted on September 19, 2001 06:35:17 PM new
dimview....I can answer that since it is about me....they billed me for closing the autions they held hostage till after the introduction of the FVF program 9/17 for 4 auctions that closed with bids....the problem is ALL were closed long before the program was started...one dated all the way back to 2/01...They requested my CC info (not that I could or would give it to them anyway...so the correct phrase is....tried to bill....not collected or will collect from 
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beecandles
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posted on September 19, 2001 06:53:55 PM new
dimview......you would have to have been there to see what was done!. If it was not so disgusting it would be humerous!
BUT it was not...both GP and myself were "banned" ..."blocked" from signing in...NO access to our auctions...I have Buyers and Sellers that I have managed to complete various auctions since ...BUT I now have NO WAY to leave feedback for them or they for me...........when I joined ePier and PAID my $20 VM Fee that made me a Verified Seller.....right now I am nothing....as ePier unilaterally BLOCKED access for me...so what would you call that?
BTW I will state again that neither I or Goldenpony have received ANY form of commucication from ePier as to why we were "BLOCKED".."BANNED"...thus the legal complaints that are in process!!!
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beecandles
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posted on September 21, 2001 10:20:07 PM new
Tech,
A Seller is only as good as his/her word! And that will be the final word said..regardeless of inuendo's from "no names".....
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beecandles
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posted on September 25, 2001 09:56:34 PM new
I think redjinx may want to state a fact about Charity Auctions here that were hosted by Goldenpony and myself!!
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opals4u
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posted on September 26, 2001 06:17:56 AM new
eSeller004
Just two questions!!! What happened to ePier's payment service, which was to generate the income to accomplish all their goals? This was ePier's claim from the begining - Yet still no payment service. Is it possible that they can not get a permit to establish such a service for some reason? If so, I wonder why that could be.
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dimview
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posted on September 26, 2001 06:59:50 AM new
eSeller004 >
Who in their right mind wants ePier to remain what Bidville is today --- a TOTAL and PATHETIC WASTE OF TIME???
Remember when we were looking at Bidville's milestone of 100,000 listings, then 500,000 listings, and now 1,000,000 listings? Interesting that the sell-through rate hasn't changed one iota over all the "growth."
Since the auctionsite is now populated with more than a million items -- inventory warehoused items actually -- that attract little or no interest, can one fault Bidville's management for *not* advertising?
Perhaps ePier looked at that "model" and the prospect of their own auctionsite following in the same footpath, and decided to make some changes to enhance its short- and long-term prospects?
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eSeller004
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posted on September 26, 2001 07:33:13 AM new
opals4u,
I have no idea and I couldn't care less what happened to the payment mechanism. What was the retarded name they called it??? What seller wants another payment service with fees?? Aren't we sick of BillPoint and PayPal already??? They weren't going to go the route of Yahoo PayDirect's free service, so who cares what happened to the service?
Maybe they couldn't afford the setup, support staff, and maintenance costs, with virtually no income and little to no funding. If PayPal with 10 million members is having a tough time remaining successful without continually raising fees, what kind of success could we expect from ePier with their tiny client base???
Or maybe they couldn't find a willing partner until they become more financially viable? Who knows? That's a question for ePier. It's better to go the FVF route and they should have added a 10 cent across the board listing fee that would generate money for advertising.
The last thing ePier needs is to incur debt. Companies burdened with debt are going bankrupt left and right! For example, there are rumors that Exodus, the world's #1 Webhosting company (they hosted eBay and Yahoo), is about to declare bankruptcy after taking on $3 billion in debt. That was a colossal $20 billion company erased to nearly zero!
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dimview
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posted on September 26, 2001 09:38:21 AM new
Interesting observation regarding Exodus, on which NASDAQ has halted trading pending an announcement.
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-7308006.html?tag=lh
Last traded at 18 cents.
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opals4u
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posted on September 26, 2001 11:23:35 AM new
eSeller004
You certainly must be joking!!!! Add a 10 cent listing fee - to sell nothing??? Durring my last week there I reduced my items to below cost, just to see if there were really any buyers there and got ONE bid out of over 200 Sterling Silver jewelry items. Handcrafted Sterling Silver earring sets, many with Genuine stones for a measly $4.00 and only one bid in a week. <h4>Sure that site is really going to make a bundle on FVF's. And I am certain sellers are going to jump over fences to get to pay a 10 cent listing fee there. In the next life - Maybe!!!</h4>
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eSeller004
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posted on September 27, 2001 05:17:23 AM new
Exodus did declare bankruptcy yesterday.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010926/wr/tech_exodus_dc_2.html
Wonder what that will mean for Exodus' webhosting deals. They had hosted Yahoo, MSNBC, eBay, Oracle, GE International, Lycos and more.
Exodus had been one of the top 10 pure Internet companies, and some considered them almost synonymous with the Internet. So far they're the world's most famous Internet bankruptcy. Who's next?
opals4u,
It's the chicken or the egg. Do you give ePier money for advertising first via listing and FVFs, or do you wait for bidding to pick up before accepting fees? Bidding won't pick up without advertising, and advertising won't occur without income. It's a difficult situation ePier is in and it seems many of ePier's vocal sellers don't want any fees and consequently any advertising to occur. It appears they'd rather have ePier maintain the failed status quo.
[ edited by eSeller004 on Sep 27, 2001 05:28 AM ]
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goldenpony
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posted on September 28, 2001 07:15:11 AM new
eSeller...at this point I don't think it much matters what type of poultry you compare ePier with because it looks like they've already been caught with too much egg on their face
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beecandles
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posted on September 30, 2001 11:47:36 PM new
Egg on their face?......how about a giant omlette?
More Lies and deceit still going on!
Now Sellers get demands for FVF payments for every end of auction notice!! NO monthly statement!
So you owe 25 cents! Geesh pay that 34 cent stamp to send them 25cents!.......
Some dingy's are even mailing them $5.00 in advance for anticipation of a year's worth of FVF sales......what a joke!
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goldenpony
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posted on October 1, 2001 03:22:48 PM new
I am curious about a few things....ePier won't allow users to use their enhancement funds towards their FVF accounts (and also won't refund them even if they suspend your account without notice) and they are telling people you can only get 5.00 behind before paying so you have to...from what is being said so far...pay for each successful transaction as it occurs unless you supply a credit card (as if!). If you look on the PierPals Walk of Shame (www.geocities.com/pierpals/) you will see many people waiting up to 60 or more days to even receive payment (if at all) so I wonder just how long they will now be expected to wait to receive payment after they pay in advance FVF for NPB and how long if at all before they will get a refund of their already paid fees?
There are far to many programs still being thrown at the users there that have absolutely no clear answers posted anywhere to be found....posts on their boards are from users running around unable to find answers unless other users make guesses as to what is happening since ePier is changing their plans on a regular basis and nobody knows what's going on over their on a daily basis....almost like by trial and error making the rules as they go using our money and changing what it's used for after the fact.
You would think that by this time the site would have completed it's user information on the already non-working programs that have been in effect for quite some time before adding yet another untested and poorly thought out idea! If you add up all those people that paid in the 20$ vm fees, you'll see they found an easy way to collect a good deal of money without doing what they said they would with it, even from people only wanting to browse (what a joke that is)....I have to wonder where this latest venture will lead and what's next in the money making plans. I wonder even more when ePier will be accountable for the already paid in funds that have NOT received services for them. It's going to be painful if all those users ask for refunds and ePier has to do it for breech of contractual promises
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BobAlberti
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posted on October 1, 2001 05:32:12 PM new
If you don't KNOW what's happening on Epier, it might serve you well to ask one that still uses the site. I hate people spreading false rumors when all they need do is email me and ask. I won't be posting here anymore for this reason. I will merely lurk and keep my trap shut.
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toollady
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posted on October 1, 2001 05:53:02 PM new
BobAlberti,
Maybe you can clarify what is going on. If only one side of the story is being presented, then no one knows about the other unless someone tells it. If what is being posted is not true, can you tell us what IS true?
It helps those of us who haven't tried the site yet, or haven't been there lately. By reading what is posted here, more than likely some will not even take a peek if none of it is refuted.
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goldenpony
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posted on October 2, 2001 05:41:35 AM new
Yes Bob...let us "all" hear a different version of the "truth". Since afterall I do "still" use that site....not as Goldenpony or EquinesWorld, but I "still" have 4 sellers that I "still" list for over there...the same sellers I brought over there from eBay, and the same sellers that are "still" listing items at ePier, the same ones that "still" have me do their listing for them (contrary to my being accused of trying to get everyone to leave, all I asked for was everyone to hear the whole truth then make their own minds up as to what was best for them). I also "still" help people via email from ePier because of the non-existant ePier support. I "still" frequent the chat boards as well as "still" have access to read the email accounts of the other seller accounts email that I "still" list for, so please do inform us of what "rumors" are being spread!
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dimview
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posted on October 2, 2001 07:57:38 AM new
I too would like some clarification on recent events a ePier.
From my vantage point, it looks like ePier looked at the Bidville-model for auctionsite development and decided it didn't want to evolve into an inventory warehouse itself, hence we are seeing some changes being made.
I'd give ePier an F in Public Relations 101 for the way they are implementing changes, but it does look like they are trying to make some changes to benefit the auctionsite and its users.
fixed UBB.
[ edited by dimview on Oct 2, 2001 07:58 AM ]
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goldenpony
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posted on October 2, 2001 08:13:38 AM new
I agree in the fact that ePier is trying to make necessary changes...unfortunately I also agree 100% about their total lack of customer relation abilities! When all this came about, I asked for only one thing...the truth...I pleaded time and time again to Mr. Kim to please NOT keep springing these hidden surprise policy changes on the users as well as asking via email for an explanation....none received. Had he/they of offered a private response via my email request, all this public exposure might have been avoided but they still refuse to refund my money I paid in for advance enhancements (for now unusable accounts), refund my vm fees paid in (voluntarily I might add) and still deny my user services without giving me the respect of any notice or explanation dispite requests on my behalf!
I can't see any of the users over there standing still if it was their accounts being frozen without warning...or their money being refused to be refunded...or the neglect to be professional enough to even respond to the phone calls or emails we have sent them about this! This is legally wrong and they are NOT entitled to take our money without supplying the promised services or refunding paid in funds for accounts "they" suspended without just cause! This is wrong and therefore I will continue to expose the injustices of their site until I receive my refund as well a full explanation as to the suspension/banning!
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