posted on March 12, 2003 10:30:07 AM new
"Born in Scranton, North Dakota, on October 27,1925, Mr. Christopher received an undergraduate degree magna cum laude from the University of Southern California in February 1945. From July 1943 to September 1946, he served in the Naval Reserve, with active duty as an ensign in the Pacific Theater. He attended Stanford Law School from 1946-49, where he was President of the Law Review and was elected to the Order of the Coif."
posted on March 12, 2003 10:45:02 AM new
Here's a list of more re-cycled Carter losers in Clinton's administartion.
Donny- are you sure you didn't study fictional writting instead of polical science ?
Warren Christopher was Clinton's Secretary of State, but he was not in Roosevelt's admin. I was thinking of another attorney, Clark Clifford - he advised Democratic Presidents right through to Clinton, starting as an appointed naval aide to president Roosevelt.
Christopher served as deputy secretary of state in the Carter Administration. In that position, he led negotiations for the release of 52 American hostages in Iran, spearheaded the normalization of relations with China, helped to win ratification of the Panama Canal treaties, and headed the first interagency group on human rights. President Carter awarded him the Medal of Freedom on January 16, 1981.
National Security Adviser: Samuel R. (Sandy) Berger
Foreign-policy analyst and lawyer, 51. Deputy national security adviser in Clinton's first term. Deputy director of the State Department's policy planning staff under Carter, 1977-80. Partner at Washington, D.C. law firm Hogan & Hartson until 1992, specializing in international trade. Position did not require Senate confirmation.
Alexis M. Herman
Labor Secretary
Previous occupation: Assistant to President Clinton and director of the White House Public Liaison Office, 1993-96; deputy director of the Presidential Transition Office, 1992; chief executive officer of the 1992 Democratic National Convention Committee, 1991-92; chief of staff at the DNC; founder and president of A.M. Herman & Associates; the Labor Department's Women's Bureau, 1977-81; national director of the Minority Women Employment Program of R-T-P Inc., in Atlanta; social worker for Catholic Charities, 1969.
Donna E. Shalala
Health and Human Services Secretary
Previous occupation: Chancellor of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, 1988-93; president of Hunter College at the City University of New York for eight years; assistant secretary for policy development and research at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, 1977-80; member, Committee for Economic Development; director at the American Stock Exchange, TIAA-CREF and M and I Bank of Wisconsin; director and treasurer of the Municipal Assistance Corp., the organization that helped reverse New York's financial collapse, 1975-77; tenured professorships at Columbia, CUNY and the University of Wisconsin; Peace Corps, Iran, 1962-64.
Togo D. West
Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Previous Occupation: Secretary of the Army, Department of Defense, 1993-97; Senior vice president for government relations, Northrop Corp., 1990-93; Managing partner, Patterson, Belknap, Webb & Tyler, 1984-90; general counsel, Department of Defense, 1980; the special assistant to the secretary and deputy secretary of the Department of Defense, 1979-80; general counsel, Department of the Navy, 1977-79; associate deputy attorney general, Department of Justice, 1975-77; Army Judge Advocate General's Corps, 1969-73; second lieutenant in the United States Army Field Artillery Corps, 1965-68.
posted on March 12, 2003 10:51:36 AM new
The democratic DLC also does the same "think tank" functions that PNAC does, and chooses who will be the democratic presidential candidate. They chose Clinton. You can not win an election without a solid endorsement from the DLC.
posted on March 12, 2003 11:18:16 AM new
Clifford advised democratic presidents from Roosevelt to Clinton. Whether it was Clifford or Christofer is a moot point, your political science "theory" doesn't hold a drop of water.
Clinton's administration was filled with Carter staff. The reason you don't recognize them is because there were 3 terms of republican presidents in between.
Both parties re-cycle staff. It makes sense to use people that have already been vetted and have held positions before.
posted on March 12, 2003 03:32:58 PM new
PNAC is a document, a plan or plot if you like. It is not a group, organization, or 'think tank'; it is the product. A proposal entitled "Project for the New American Century. (see the capitals?)
It was submitted to Bill Clinton who rejected it with a roll of his eyes and a quick chuckle.
Now it's dumbya's protocol.
posted on March 13, 2003 03:28:42 AM new
As to the election, I believe that both the Democrats and the Republicans tried to steal it, the Republicans just stole it better.
donny, That's something I can agree with.
I grow up in Albany, NY with the Democratic Machine. It was bigger then the Chicago machine for many years.
The word Political Science is a nice way of saying BS. That is what politics' is, isn't it?
There's no real difference between the parties. It's all about the money that goes in their pockets. They just do it differently. They both have their hands in our pockets. They will make whatever promises they think will work. "A chicken in every pot"
I stand by the conspiracy theory statement. If you read many of the posts, you can see for yourself.
Amen,
Little Green Men?,
Reverend Colin
[ edited by colin on Mar 13, 2003 03:47 AM ]
posted on March 13, 2003 09:42:32 AM new
Yes, Political Science is a misnomer, it's much more art than science, and in the 2000 presidential election the Democratic Party was artless in the extreme. It'd just make you cringe to see anyone doing something so badly so publically, much the way I feel now watching Rumsfeld and the Bush administration trying to practice the art of international diplomacy.
I miss the days of the political machines; there were people who knew how to do things well, even though the things they were doing could be viewed as disreputable. And, back then, for your vote you might get something... your rent paid for a month, a basket of food, a ticket fixed, a government job. What do you get for your vote nowadays? Hardly more than a mouthful of "much obliged."
I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory. Whenever I hear something that sounds like "another one of those conspiracy theories," my reaction is to roll my eyes and not listen.
This isn't one of those. You don't have to go look at "another of those conspiracy theory websites," suspend disbelief while whackos go through contortions to connect invisible dots. Just read it for yourself, straight from The Project for a New American Century's own website.
The Project for a New American Century isn't a wild-eyed group formed to breathlessly warn us about what some shadow group is doing. The Project for a New American Century is the group that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and other guys formed themselves. Read it straight from the horses' mouths, make your own judgement.
From their own "Statements of Principles," which predates not only 9-11 but the election itself:
"As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?"
This is an arguably valid goal. But, if this is the goal, say so and let people see what it is, and let people then decide for themselves how far they're willing to go to attain it.
I'd be willing to go quite a way to defend our country from a real and imminent threat. I'm unwilling to go very far to shape the world in what they perceive as "American principles and interests." I don't like imperialism. It doesn't make any difference to me whether it's a Roman, British, Ottoman, or American empire.
Read PNAC's own words, from their own mouths. Read the "Statement of Principles" I linked above, written in 1997. Read about "moral clarity," there, in just those words.
Read their report, written in 2000, which talks about "Homeland Defense," in just those words... Read them muse that "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."
And there it was, falling in their lap on 9-11, the "new Pearl Harbor." No, I don't think they engineered 9-11 in order to put this pre-made plan into motion. I do think that they recognized it as the opportunity they were waiting for to implement it.
posted on March 13, 2003 02:36:53 PM new
One of hundreds of think tanks that offer advise to leaders of several countries. These groups have been around for the last century.
Looking through the web.. The ones that are upset about it are all the leftist news sources.
"Established in the spring of 1997, the Project for the New American Century is a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership. The Project is an initiative of the New Citizenship Project (501c3); the New Citizenship Project's chairman is William Kristol and its president is Gary Schmitt."
I don't believe it's a conspiracy but I'll keep my eye on it.
posted on March 13, 2003 09:24:51 PM new
This isn't some half-baked scheme set forth in desperation, it's the reasoned plan for American world domination set forth by a group of men who are among the best the country has produced. They present an imperialistic future and mean to carry it to the fruition that they firmly believe will result. It's to be their legacy, their well meaning contribution to the betterment of us all.
Read it and decide for yourself if what they propose is what you would like to see take place but make no mistake - it is being implemented now, today and tomorrow, in a step by step manner which by each step becomes more firmly established.
I agree with donny mostly. I'd differ by not being so sure that the cataclysmic event was not engineered to take place when it did. These men had waited too long already and their time is running out. I don't think that they could risk another setback such as occurred in 1992. For them it's now or never. They had to make it happen.
posted on March 14, 2003 09:27:13 AM new
Will there be martians from Area 51 helping with this American world domination, or is this purely an earthling thing?
Anyway, if the US wanted world domination, it would use the IRS to do it, not some silly position paper from a think tank.
posted on March 14, 2003 10:11:33 AM new
Bite your tongue,Bush has already announced going after small buisness's.When they are put out of buisness from forced bankruptsey by the IRS,things are going to get ugly.
Every President has used the IRS for their whipping rod,And Bush has a lot of enemys.
Anyway, how 'bout that bush this morning, huh? Spent all night on the phone trying to muster votes for a new resolution against Iraq and emerges in the morning with a new plan for peace between Israel and the Palestines. Amazing!
