posted on April 2, 2003 07:38:31 AM new
Earlier Wednesday, U.S. forces spotted a 20-year-old Iraqi woman in labor in a pickup truck. The woman's family had been displaced from another city and was living in tents in Nasiriyah.
''I got the ambulance and sent her to the battalion aid station and delivered a healthy baby girl and named her 'America.' It was a pretty cool way to start the day,'' said Navy Hospitalman First Class Kyle Morris, 39, of San Clemente, Calif.
posted on April 2, 2003 07:40:52 AM new
You know, neonmania, each and everytime I read reports like this or watch the interaction between our forces and their people, it gives me goose bumps. There is reason to hope this will continue.
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The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on April 2, 2003 07:49:11 AM new
Quick Linda, send your quote to all on your email list and the other neo-cons, including Dumya
"The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin"
posted on April 2, 2003 07:51:07 AM new
Austi.....Stick it up your azz with all the rest of your self serving Psycho babble.
[ edited by bear1949 on Apr 2, 2003 07:57 AM ]
posted on April 2, 2003 08:36:42 AM new
neonmania - How would you feel about turning this thread into a thread similar to the joke thread. By that I mean is we could, as we read or hear of them, post these type of positive stories we? huh huh huh
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on April 2, 2003 08:45:11 AM new
One incident, such as this is used by propagandists to advance the possibility that the Iraqi people will accept American rule. The Bush administration is very worried about being accepted by the Iraqi people.
That's not the truth, of course...that most Iraqi's welcome a foreign ruler in their country.
posted on April 2, 2003 08:49:49 AM new
You have got to be the most negative person I have ever known.
A truth thread? Are you saying neonmania's post is untrue? I don't believe she'd do that. I see it as trying to find some positive in a very rough situation. It's human interest stories...not propaganda.....for crying out loud.
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on April 2, 2003 08:54:57 AM new
I try to see the truth of every situation, whether positive or negative.
Of course, I did not say that the incident did not happen. But, in the middle of a horrific war in which people are being slaughtered, both Americans and Iraqis, I find this incident trivial and unrepresentative of anything worth considering in the context of war.
A baby being born in a pick up truck is news?
Helen
sp.ed.
[ edited by Helenjw on Apr 2, 2003 08:58 AM ]
posted on April 2, 2003 09:03:43 AM new
bear, your a US Vietnam War Vet aren't you.
Do you know why no significant numbers have been found guilty of war attrocities.??
You work it out?
posted on April 2, 2003 09:04:02 AM new
But you posted some dribble in an earlier thread about ONE Iraqi family that wished we weren't there... now that is incident trivial and unrepresentative of anything worth considering in the context of war.
Linda does have it right, you are one of the most negative people I have ever run across, do you ever have anything good to say about your own country? I sure haven't seen it, giving aid and comfort to Saddam and company sure isn't it.
You know I hear it is pretty easy to immigrate to Canada or Mexico or maybe Iraq, Syria, Iran.... sure they would love to have ya...
Ooops can't forget France or Germany...
posted on April 2, 2003 09:11:05 AM new
12, The only +ve comments I’ve seen from you are re:Kill counts by soldiers.
& you’re isolating other countries again, Don't get me started on Israel again.
posted on April 2, 2003 09:19:58 AM new
:: One incident, such as this is used by propagandists to advance the possibility that the Iraqi people will accept American rule. The Bush administration is very worried about being accepted by the Iraqi people. ::
It was not presented as news Helen, it was the last two paragraphs of a long story regarding the rescue of the 19 year old POW. It was an afterthought and a nice story of a positive moment in a rough day.
[ edited by neonmania on Apr 2, 2003 09:21 AM ]
posted on April 2, 2003 09:23:18 AM new But you posted some dribble in an earlier thread about ONE Iraqi family that wished we weren't there... now that is incident trivial and unrepresentative of anything worth considering in the context of war.
Twelvepole, That family was indeed representative of the Iraq situation They were under fire and wondering if they would survive.
They had already had enough, they said. The worst so far was Friday, when U.S. and British forces fired 320 Tomahawk cruise missiles at Baghdad, wrecking the symbols of Hussein's rule. Ten of the missiles landed near their home, shattering the window in the front of the house. The shock waves threw open the refrigerator, tossing its drawers on the kitchen floor.
They bitterly denounced the war the United States has launched. Iraq, perhaps more than any other Arab country, dwells on traditions -- of pride, honor and dignity. To this family, the assault is an insult. It is not Hussein under attack, but Iraq, they said. It is hard to gauge if this is a common sentiment, although it is one heard more often as the war progresses.
"We complain about things, but complaining doesn't mean cooperating with foreign governments," the father said. "When somebody comes to attack Iraq, we stand up for Iraq. That doesn't mean we love Saddam Hussein, but there are priorities."
I don't even care about the leadership," the daughter-in-law said. "But someone wants to take away what is yours. What gives them the right to change something that's not theirs in the first place? I don't like your house, so I'm going to bomb it and you can rebuild it again the way I want it, with your money? I feel like it's an insult, really."
"I should be able to live like other people are living," he said glumly. "I shouldn't fear bombs falling on my head, I shouldn't be hearing sirens. Why should I have to like this? Why should this be normal?"
Everyone looked to the floor, no one saying a word.
This is truth, twelvepole and even though you pointed out that this was just one family, news reports indicate that it's representative of Iraqi people...certainly more that one woman in a pick up truck giving birth to a baby.
posted on April 2, 2003 09:24:08 AM new
Linda - as to turning this into a thread dealing with the human interest stories that come out of Iraq, I know I would love to see some of the others ones people come across. By all means -post away
I am not objecting to your general interest thread. My objection is to the exaggeration and misconception that a story like this will generate.
If it gives you joy then by all means post away. But I hope that everyone will recognize that stories like this do not represent what is really going on in Iraq.
I guess it could be called war fluff.
Maybe I feel so strongly against this war that I can't accept that perspective right now.
posted on April 2, 2003 09:33:28 AM new
I know one Linda,
As of yesterday, a truck load of Iraqi Mothers and Children, including babies is now on their way to meet God.
But they left their truck and bodies behind.(or parts thereof)
Doesn't that give you goose bumps too??
That's 'acceptable' to you isn't it Linda.
posted on April 2, 2003 09:38:05 AM new
Helen - I posted it because it shows that even in the worst of situations, the human spirit thrives. There is so much press today about war war war..(I don't know about your area but the only non war related story covered in our ocal broadcasts the past two days is a movement to kick 200 seals out off the beach ...aka - war on seals) it's nice to be reminded that even in Iraq, life moves forward.
posted on April 2, 2003 09:45:18 AM new
Aust - could you kindly resist the urge to make snide comments to every post. I'm just asking that one time, you actually allow people to have a feel good moment. We all know that they are few and far between right now. Must you trying to rob us of the few that do present themselves?
posted on April 2, 2003 10:03:49 AM new
Well now you know how we feel when we read most your threads . It was a nice simple story nothing more and nothing less and everyone seems to feel it's there duty to pile ontop. The post never indicated anything like "this is the true feeling of iraq" or anything like that, it was just a small excert from a big story and why some can't take it for that is beyond me.
This story is from 3-29. We had saved it because it meant a lot to us personally.
Sergeant Kenneth Wilson said Arabic-speaking US troops made contact with two busloads of Iraqis fleeing south along Route Seven towards Rafit, one of the first friendly meetings with local people for the marines around here.
"They had slaughtered lambs and chickens and boiled eggs and potatoes for their journey out of the frontlines," Wilson said.
At one camp, the buses stopped and women passed out food to the troops, who have had to ration their army-issue packets of ready-to-eat meals due to disruptions to supply lines by fierce fighting further south.
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The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
[ edited by Linda_K on Apr 2, 2003 02:28 PM ]
posted on April 2, 2003 06:19:37 PM new
I was wondering.....
This war was all about getting to those WOMD. Have they found any yet?
Nada.
Thought so!
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both boldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."
- Julius Caesar
