Helenjw
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posted on April 25, 2003 01:02:38 PM new
"Helen, so you read the Peoples Daily of China."
Nearthesea
I read any dam thing that I want to read. But unlike some people, I don't believe every thing that I read. I simply posted that information for it's interest level. It may or may not be true.
http://www.worldpress.org/gateway.htm This is a page of world newspapers from which you may read different viewpoints throughout the world. Try it and broaden your horizons!!!
"Honestly, those articles on what the Chinese gov't are doing about SARS is 'window dressing"
You can say that about many articles from newspapers in this country also. It's very difficult to find a newspaper without some slant or as you call it window dressing. Their paper controlled by the government has slant. Our papers controlled by corporate greed have slant.
"This thing could have been going on longer than we know"
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No sh*t!!! That is very true and probably longer that China knew also. Why is every foreign country some evil dragon to you?
"The time they'll REALLY get concerned is when it affects the Party leaders, there are a finite number of communist party leaders, where there is an infinite number of Chinese citizens.
duh 
Helen
[ edited by Helenjw on Apr 25, 2003 08:03 PM ]
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 25, 2003 01:19:02 PM new
That idiotic smilie duh face suits you perfectly.
There is a big difference in a communist government controlled media and the what you call coporate media here. duh.
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 25, 2003 01:22:11 PM new
and, I can't really say that I consider China an 'evil dragon', my sister in law, my brothers wife, who see ALL the time is from the Quangdong province, so maybe its the communist leadership I don't like. duh.
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Helenjw
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posted on April 25, 2003 01:23:45 PM new
That's just your uninformed opinion.
Read a few papers before you make a decision.
LOL!
Helen
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 25, 2003 01:25:45 PM new
I'm going out, but wanted to add, you don't know what I read, what I believe, and how 'I broaden my horizons' so you can keep that advice to yourself. duh.
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 25, 2003 01:27:58 PM new
you got in there while I was posting...
I'll read what I want, I'll talk to actual people in real life, and I'll make my own decisions.
What makes it 'uninformed' to you? because you don't agree with it. tough
duh
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Helenjw
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posted on April 25, 2003 01:28:27 PM new
You were the one bashing China...not me.
Why are you bringing up the fact that your relatives are from China?
You're not reading again.
Helen
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 25, 2003 01:31:14 PM new
Helen, this time why don't you READ
She came here.... why did she come here...
well she came here to leave an oppressive communist country. ok? got it?
duh
later
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Linda_K
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posted on April 25, 2003 01:41:12 PM new
I read any dam thing that I want to read.
Boy, someone's overly sensitive today... LOL
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
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Helenjw
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posted on April 25, 2003 01:41:48 PM new
nearthesea
Well, I didn't read it because you didn't write it. I can't read your mind.
Helen
[ edited by Helenjw on Apr 25, 2003 01:44 PM ]
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 25, 2003 02:15:05 PM new
If there was a virus outbreak in the U.S., (hypothetically) would the people that got the virus still have to pay their own medical bills?
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junquemama
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posted on April 25, 2003 02:38:38 PM new
Krafty,being from a State with a "zero" budget,I would have to answer on the affirmative.
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Helenjw
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posted on April 25, 2003 02:54:16 PM new
I think you're right, junquemama.
Ordinarilly, if you don't have money or insurance in the US, you are out of luck if you need medical care.
There are over forty million people without health insurance in the United States. Emergency rooms are required to accept patients but being admitted to the hospital requires insurance. The people who use the emergency room are billed for that charge.
Since Sars requires ventilation, possibly for several days, I don't know how these people will survive. Maybe some kind of special arrangements will be made since people with the disease have to be quarantined.
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neonmania
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posted on April 25, 2003 03:26:02 PM new
Helen, the big problem with those piece is the same problem China is having with AIDS reporting. Regoinal officias are afraid to give bad news to the government so they lie or fudge the numbers.
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Helenjw
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posted on April 25, 2003 03:51:36 PM new
Right.
Everybody lies. I'm so tired of lies and trying to ferret out some little bit of truth.
Helen
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 25, 2003 03:53:19 PM new
If this virus gets out of hand, I would worry about how Americans will be able to pay for something like this, especially the poor.
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Twelvepole
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posted on April 25, 2003 03:55:08 PM new
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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Helenjw
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posted on April 25, 2003 04:01:03 PM new
Twelvepole,
I think you should call your soap box a stage and then call the words running across your head jokes. LOLOL!
Helen
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Twelvepole
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posted on April 25, 2003 04:05:05 PM new
Helen you need a good...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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gravid
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posted on April 25, 2003 04:15:20 PM new
Important question about SARS........
I knew that when you get exposed to SARS you probably show symptoms and get it or not in ten days.
What I did not know until I saw a news program tonight on NBC about a man who had SARS is he is still in isolation after a month because they have no idea if you are infecteous before or after you display symptoms. If you still can give it to someone after you recover then with the thousnads of people who have had it we will never stop it. You can't keep that many people isolated for months and months.
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Helenjw
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posted on April 25, 2003 04:18:18 PM new
twelvepole
I know those are just love pats...see how I'm smiling.
HaHaHa!!!
Helen
[ edited by Helenjw on Apr 25, 2003 04:19 PM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on April 25, 2003 04:23:32 PM new
Everybody lies. I'm so tired of lies and trying to ferret out some little bit of truth. Well...I'd give odds that you're NOT going to find the truth on communists news sites.
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
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Helenjw
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posted on April 25, 2003 04:36:44 PM new
Oh go away Linda...You're such a pest.
Twenty two people in Maryland have been suspected of having sars...all but two have been ruled out. So, there will be a lot of people with colds or flu who become suspected of sars.
One victim in Maryland was a doctor who went to work with fever of 101. Luckily, he didn't see any patients before he was sent home.
Helen
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junquemama
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posted on April 25, 2003 04:38:30 PM new
Helen,LOL...
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Linda_K
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posted on April 25, 2003 04:42:02 PM new
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on April 25, 2003 04:52:33 PM new
I wonder if SARS is a Chinese bio-weapon accidentally released.
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 25, 2003 05:42:59 PM new
Linda, your still here
ebayauctionguy, thats one theory thats interesting... could be
The movie The Stand by Stephen King, people are saying this is beginning to remind them of... I don't know, I don't think so.
Captain Tripps , who knows?
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gravid
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posted on April 25, 2003 06:46:42 PM new
If it is a bio weapon it is a dud.
You'd expect a deliberate weapon to have a fatality rate more like Ebola.
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austbounty
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posted on April 25, 2003 08:22:53 PM new
"Do you think that the Chinese government is as completely inept as their handling of both this and their AIDS crisis would lead one to believe or could it be a policy of deliberate inaction allowing these diseases to take over where their own population control methods have failed?"
I hope it’s just incompetence.
Unfortunately, today and possibly as it has long or always been, our leaders seem to miss the objective.
‘Communist’ and ‘Capitalist’ systems alike work within the one global economy, no nation seems to be an island.
Too often ‘our’ leaders seem to be acting for economic considerations, which doesn’t necessarily mean what I think the ‘objective’ should be, ie. the ‘greater good’.
Less than a week ago, this was ‘smaller’ than 9/11, in under 1 more week, (I calculated based only on the 5.925% Single day increase sited by NearThesea) it will be ‘bigger’ than Bhopal.
Today 4702 Deaths
1 Day 4980
2 Days 5275
3 Days 5588
4 Days 5919
5 Days 6270
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31 Days 29,664
2 Months 166,796 Deaths.
3 Months 937,863 Deaths.
3 + 2 Days 1,052,292 Deaths.
4 Months over 5 Million
5 Months over 29 Million
6 Months over 166 Million
Edited to correct error, these figures are not for 'deaths' but rather, 'infections'.
[ edited by austbounty on Apr 27, 2003 04:36 PM ]
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neonmania
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posted on April 25, 2003 09:43:14 PM new
The only reason I doubt that it is a bio weapon is that they would have fallen all over themselves to control the situation immediately if it was and that definately ws not done.
One of the strange things however is that one of the guests on Washington Week tonight was saying that Chinese hospitals were hiding SARS patients frmo WHO officials, basically wheeling them out the back door whenever officials entered the hospital.
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