posted on April 29, 2003 01:26:37 PM new
KD - I'd say you were wrong, but entitled to your opinion.
There are many threads started here for the only purpose to put down the beliefs of those who have any religious affiliation and to bash our President for his. Some here appear to me to think that if one supports our President's actions it's because they're the far right, religious neo-conservatives.
Many here have called our President evil, the devil, Hitler-like. Worse than Saddam [or at least equal to].
What you see are the responses to those opinions.
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on April 29, 2003 01:42:31 PM new
LoL Near!! Right, so you do a google search for "satan's offspring", and there's a family picture with Bush, LindaK, colin.... ahahahahhahahaha!!
posted on April 29, 2003 02:06:14 PM new
Doing a google search for satan's offsprings wouldn't bring up our President's name nor mine nor Colin's.
It would have brought up Saddam and his Baa Party. They're the one's who've acted like Satan. AND I'm sure you and Helen would agree with that.
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on April 29, 2003 02:15:57 PM new
omg, kraft I DID find it...
you have to look at this picture, and you have to turn on your speakers.... wow!
NOT for the faint of heart!
posted on April 29, 2003 02:28:15 PM new
hey I've seen this one before, and fell for it again, and it still scared the sh*t out of me LOL esp if you have your speakers up!
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posted on April 29, 2003 02:32:16 PM new
bleeding heart liberal??? Yea...that will be the day. haha
Okay NTS - I'm on my webtv unit and can't view the picture. Are Colin and I and our Pres in it?? And with Satan too? I'll have to wait until after the tornado watch is over before I turn on our PC.
The question is not what a man can scorn, or disparage, or find fault with, but what he can love, and value, and appreciate. J. Ruskin
posted on April 29, 2003 02:40:46 PM new
Linda, God, tornado? yeah, do not turn on your PC ....yet! wow
The picture.... well... if you scare easy don't do it! seriously!
This was posted first I think on Art Bell's site a couple years ago, and I watched it... then George Noory posted last week, and kept saying don't click this and look at this, if your faint of heart, well.... I did it.... again.... and it still had me jump out of my chair!
so ... fair warning.... (just don't turn the speakers up TOO loud)
Your a bleedin heart liberal Linda? you? say it ain't so!
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posted on April 29, 2003 02:42:30 PM new
oh.... sorry LOL, no, the picture does not have you, Colin or the President in it, however Satan? I'll let you decide
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posted on April 29, 2003 05:06:13 PM new
Bother me? Naaaw...does give a good chuckle though.
For something to bother me it has to have a ring of truth to it...otherwise it doesn't bother me at all. Why should it? It's not true. The one's who get their panties in a bunch must be the one's it hits home with.
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NTS - Yea....this is tornado season where I live. The warm air of the south mixing with the cold air from the north. Lots of thunderstorms, lightning storms and also the occasional tornado warning. Our town has the sirens that go off as a warning....but I think it's been eight years since the last one touched down here. But this last week....we did see one out our back windows making it's way along. But....we've received the 'all clear' warning now...so all is well.
posted on April 29, 2003 05:33:53 PM new
uh oh...Kraftdinner... 113,000 pages??? This is not going to be funny but at least you sprinkled your comment with smiley faces.
posted on April 29, 2003 05:34:36 PM new
ok Helen, all is well again
now Kraft, even if Bush is connected to Satan, then that would be his problem. I do believe there is a Satan, as I believe there is one God. Good and Evil, all that
wow Linda, thats scary, but then again, I love storms. bout the only thing I really liked about Oklahoma (and TX, TX is better ) the storms, we'd sit outside and just watch those things roll in. Only one time we actually had to get inside the storm shelter, and I saw them before I got in, 3 of the them! None touched down where we were though. I prefer just lightning and thunder But yeah, shut down PC's when that starts!
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posted on April 29, 2003 06:51:25 PM new
That shut everyone up Helen.
Well, now that you mention it Near, the Anti-Christ will come in sheep's clothing and will be the catalyst to the destruction of the Middle East... Does that ring a bell?
posted on April 29, 2003 08:52:03 PM new
I can't be on here all the time. Have to make dinner, interact with real life people
Well here is one VERY LONG version of the coming anti christ kraft, a little 'light' reading?
First one scripture is "He was, and is not, and yet is"
This is interputted as a man, who does have power, he is someone that everyone in the world will have to 'know', he will bring peace, yes to the middle east. He will be assasinated, then come back to life, as in a miracle. This transformation, he then is the anti christ, and not the person that he was before. The anti christ, if he does walk today, doesn't know he is the anti christ
Prophecies the Antichrist will fulfill
The antichrist will be a man - Daniel 7:24-25
He will confirm a covenant for 7 years - Daniel 9:27
This does not mean that he creates this covenant. The word here for "confirm" is 1396 gabar (gaw-bar'); a primitive root; to be strong; by implication, to prevail, act insolently: KJV-- exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more [strength], strengthen, be stronger, be valiant. The antichrist will strengthen a covenant for a 7 year time span. This could be an existing covenant (like the Jerusalem Covenant) or a new covenant drawn up at that time.
He will rise among 10 kings - Daniel 7:8
This 10 nation union will be a revived Holy Roman Empire - Daniel 2:44
He will uproot 3 kings from the original 10 kings to gain political power - Daniel 7:8
His 10 nation union will merge into a world government which he will dominate - Revelations 13:1-2
This also, could refer to several things. First, the 10 nations could merge into an EXISTING world government, such as the UN Or it could for a new world government, much like the UN Or, this 10 nation confederation could be something like the new 10 nation common stock market. A union like this would definitely rule the world, without having a "seat" of power. Whoever controls the money, controls the globe.
He will ascend to power on a platform of peace. By peace, he will destroy many - Daniel 8:25
He will be promoted and exalted by a miracle working religious partner (false prophet) - Revelations 13:11-12
He was, and is not, and yet is - Revelations 17:8 More than likely this is referring to political power. The antichrist will have ruled, but then be taken out of power. Only to rise back up again to power as the head of the One World Government.
The world government over which he rules will be a red (communistic or socialistic) government - Revelations 17:14
The antichrist will be preceded by 7 kings or rulers. He will be the 8th king. He will also be "of" the 7 - Revelations 17:11
Now this scripture has many different ways it can be viewed. The word "Goethe" in the scripture is 5217 hupago (hoop-ag'-o); from 5259 and 71; to lead (oneself) under, i.e. withdraw or retire (as if sinking out of sight), literally or figuratively: KJV-- depart, get hence, go (a-) way. So we see that he will withdraw or retire from sight. But will rise back up again to power. This could be taken as to mean 7 kings. Or this could be taken as 7 World Governments that have ruled. So far there have been 6.
1. Egypt.
2. Assyria.
3. Babylon.
4. Medo-Persia.
5. Greece.
6. Rome
He will have a mouth speaking great things. Very boastful - Daniel 7:8
His look will be more stout than his fellows - Daniel 7:20
The word "stout" means 7227 rab (rab); by contracted from 7231; abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank, quality): KJV-- (in) abound (-undance, -ant, -antly), captain, elder, enough, exceedingly, full, great (-ly, man, one), increase, long (enough, [time]), (do, have) many (-ifold, things, a time), ([ship-]) master, mighty, more, (too, very) much, multiply (-tude), officer, often [-times], plenteous, populous, prince, process [of time], suffice (-lent). So this can have several meanings. It could mean one of the following: The antichrist will be larger in size than everybody else, will be older than everybody else, will have more of a "following" than anybody else, is a higher military or political rank than anybody else, or is more qualified than anybody else. What ever this verse is speaking about, it is obvious when you look at him.
He will have a fierce countenance - Daniel 8:23
He will understand puzzling things - Daniel 8:23
He will cause craft to prosper - Daniel 8:25
It is interesting to note the definition of the word "craft" here. It is 4820 mirmah (meer-maw'); from 7411 in the sense of deceiving; fraud: KJV-- craft, deceit (-ful, -fully), false, feigned, guile, subtilly, treachery. No wonder, for the Bible says that he is the father of lies. So his policy or his success will make it possible for his deception of the world to prosper. God said that if you do not believe the truth, that he would send strong delusion that you should believe a lie.
He apparently assumes world dominating power 3 1/2 years after he confirms the covenant. He then will continue to reign for 42 months - Revelations 13:5
The Abomination of Desolation is the event that signals the beginning of this final 42 months - Daniel 9:27
It is interesting to note, that many scholars believe that at the Abomination of Desolation is when Revelations 12:7-10 occurs. At which point the Antichrist becomes "possessed" by Satan himself and then forces the Mark or death upon everybody.
He opposes God - 2 Thessalonians 2:4
He will speak marvelous things against the God of gods - Daniel 11:36
He will exalt himself above all that is called God - 2 Thessalonians 2:4
He will sit in the temple of God - 2 Thessalonians 2:4
He will claim to be God (or an incarnation of God) - 2 Thessalonians 2:4
He will take away the daily sacrifices from the temple - Daniel 11:31
He will plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain - Daniel 11:45
It would seem here that the Antichrist will setup small "fortifications" in between the sea and Jerusalem, to help keep control over things in distant areas away from the main offices.
He will have power to make war with the saints and to overcome them - Revelations 13:7
He will continue this war with the saints for 3 1/2 years - Daniel 7:21, 25 This time of Great Tribulation is launched upon the Earth by the antichrist at the Abomination of Desolation. - Matthew 24:15,21. Up until this time, it would seem that he is a man of peace and not war. But now he shows his true colors. Perhaps is possessed by Satan himself at this point as well. Which would account for the false front being dropped at this time. During this time, the antichrist will scatter the power of the holy people - Daniel 12:7
He will rule a mighty and strong kingdom - Daniel 7:7
He was given power over all kindreds, tongues and nations - Revelations 13:7 His kingdom will devour the whole earth - Daniel 7:23
He will have great military power that will stand behind him, to enforce his laws - Daniel 11:31 He will try to change times and laws; and they will be given into his power for 3 1/2 years - Daniel 7:25
He will give great honor to the God of forces, with gold, silver, jewels, etc. - Daniel 11:38 He will prosper in everything that he does - Daniel 8:24
He will not regard the God of his fathers - Daniel 11:37
He will not regard the desire of women - Daniel 11:37
The mark of the beast will be the amount of his name - Revelations 14:11
All that dwell upon the Earth will worship him, except those who's names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life - Revelations 15:2
He will have an image made after him - Revelations 15:2 This could also be in reference to his kingdom's logo or insignia. Much like the UN has a logo that every soldier on a UN mission must wear, there might also be a logo or insignia that his armies would have to wear
His coming will be after the workings of Satan - 2 Thessalonians 2:8
He will fight against Jesus Christ at Armageddon (and loose I might add!) - Revelations 17:14
He will stand against the Prince of princes - Daniel 8:25
The Lord will consume him with the spirit of his mouth (which is the Word of God) - 2 Thessalonians 2:8
The Lord will destroy him with the brightness of his coming (which is his glory) - 2 Thessalonians 2:8
He will be cast alive into the lake of fire - Revelations 19:20
He will be tormented day and night for ever and ever - Revelations 20:10
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posted on April 29, 2003 09:02:53 PM newHe will understand puzzling things-Daniel 8:23
Proof enough for me that President Bush is NOT the anti-christ
If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.
- Elbert Hubbard
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