posted on May 18, 2003 05:08:22 PM new
Ah if only Robert Mitchum were still alive to tell some of you to go #*!@ yourselves and then roll one up for the rest of us...
posted on May 18, 2003 06:16:50 PM new
kraftdinner
And think of all the tax money to be made should it be legalized! If they can't beat 'em, they should at least join 'em. People are going to smoke it and they are going to buy it. So, why doesn't the government get their hand in the pot? (No pun intended - ya, right) Maybe some of the violence created with the selling of the stuff would stop. It did once Prohibition ended, did it not? Should it be legalized, with strongly enforced restrictions like alcohol, what's to become of the suppliers sending the stuff over our boarders? Ha, import tax.
posted on May 18, 2003 06:52:04 PM new
The problem with that Cheryl, is that government wouldn't make much money. If a person can grow their own or get a friend to grow it for free, why would anyone buy goverment issue, taxed stuff? (If a person grew one plant outside, they'd have enough to last them for half a year.). Once a product needs any processing, that's when people get lazy and will pay for someone to package it. With pot, you only need papers and a dried plant. If you could think of a way the government could make as much money from it being legal, as they do now, you can understand why it becoming legal isn't going to happen, no matter how many citizens agree with it.
posted on May 18, 2003 08:51:09 PM new
All these comparisons with prohibition is way out in left field, Pot has NEVER been legal here in US to my knowledge, I know that in the 1800's cocaine and opium were not the illegal items they are today... but Alcohol was legal for many many years and then it was taken away, not he same at all
posted on May 18, 2003 09:26:19 PM new
Why would anyone bother to go to the store for tomatoes or green beans when they're so easy to grow...yet most people do.If it was available at Mega-LowMart to persons of legal age, hardly anyone would bother to grow it, and the gangstas would be out of business.
If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.
- Elbert Hubbard
posted on May 18, 2003 09:41:14 PM new
Significant Dates in the History of American Drug Policy
1860 First anti-morphine law enacted, Pennsylvania
1875 First law against opium smoking enacted, San Francisco
1885 First state law against opium smoking, Ohio
1887 Federal law against opium importing and exporting
1897 First state law against cocaine, Illinois
1898 Discovery of heroin in Germany
1906 Pure Food and Drug Act
1908 Towns-Lambert opium addiction "cure" announced
1909 International Opium Commission meeting, Shanghai
1909 Federal law against importing or using opium for nonmedicinal pur-
poses
1912 International Opium Convention, The Hague
1914 Harrison Act
1915- Passage of local and state anti-marijuana laws
1925
1919 Webb et al. v. United States and United States v. Doremus Supreme Court
decisions
1921 American Medical Association denounces ambulatory narcotic treat-
ment
1922 United States v. Behrman Supreme Court decision
1992 Narcotic Drugs Import and Export Act
1923 Shreveport ( LA) narcotic clinic closes
1925 Linder v. United States Supreme Court decision
1929 Act to Create Federal Narcotic Farms
1930 Creation of Federal Bureau of Narcotics, Harry J. Anslinger, Commis-
sioner
Publication Information: Book Title: Drugs and Drug Policy in America: A Documentary History. Contributors: Steven R. Belenko - editor. Publisher: Greenwood Press. Place of Publication: Westport, CT. Publication Year: 2000. Page Number: xxxiii.
posted on May 18, 2003 10:24:35 PM new
If tomatoes made you high, I bet people would grow their own prof!
One of the misconceptions about pot, is that it's all the same. I'd compare it to pain killers - you have asprin and you have heroin. There's over 1000 strains and hybrids out there, all designed for different situations such as depression, multiple sclerosis, cancer, pain management, anxiety, sleep disorders, and so on. The medical strains are the most potent. Finding a strain that's right for you, might not be what the government would sell, so growing your own would be the easist solution. I wouldn't last 10 minutes on a medical strain, so I wouldn't want to see a teenager try it for the first time, but for a person with chronic pain, it's just the ticket. Better than prescription crap, that's for sure!
posted on May 19, 2003 04:07:57 AM new
Why do you think all those cowboys called it "Loco Weed" That my earnest friends was not tobacco they were smoking.
You have to look at what's best for society on a larger scale. Forcing people not to do what they want has never worked long term.
It's hypocritical. It's best to help people by insuring safety and standards.
A large chunk of the population likes weed.
They should be able to have it but today's weed is not the weed of the 60's and 70's.
With hydroponic and other processes methinks that today's pot is far more potent and some has other drug additives.
There are no controls over this and there can't be because Pot is illegal.
Make it legal. Tax it. Enforce laws just like alcohol and in the long run we will be happier, healthier, and save billions in wasted law enforcement that could be used for education, health, and PREVENTION.
posted on May 19, 2003 05:51:25 AM new
KD, your point about the many varieties is well taken. I wasn't necessarily arguing against home growing, personally I think it should just be simply legalized for adults period. The war on drugs is a monumental failure and grotesque waste of money.
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If you can't answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.
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posted on May 19, 2003 11:33:55 AM new
I've done my bit of smugglin
I've run my share of grass
I've made enough money to buy Miami
but I pissed it away so fast.
Never meant to last, Never meant to last
posted on May 19, 2003 11:41:24 AM new
I go for younger women
Live with several awhile
Though I run them away
They come back one day
Still could manage a smile
Just takes awhile, just takes awhile
posted on May 19, 2003 05:41:03 PM newMother, Mother Ocean after all these years I've found My occupational hazard being My occupation's just not around...
"Be kind. Remember everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." - Harry Thompson
"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." - A Few Good Men
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Jimi Hendrix Are You Experienced? (1967) Purple Haze
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Purple Haze All In My Brain
Lately Things Just Don't Seem The Same
Actin' Funny, But I Don't Know Why
'Scuse Me While I Kiss The Sky
Purple Haze All Around
Don't Know If I'm Comin' Up Or Down
Am I Happy Or In Misery?
What Ever It Is, That Girl Put A Spell On Me
Help Me
Help Me
Oh, No, No
[faint, Spoken Lyrics...all Questionable]
Hammerin'
Talkin' 'bout Heart 'n'...s-soul
I'm Talkin' About Hard Stuff
If Everbodys Still Around, Fluff And Ease, If
So Far Out My Mind
Somethings Happening, Somethings Happening
Ooo, Ahhh
Ooo, {click} Ahhh,
Ooo, Ahhh
Ooo, Ahhh, YEAH!
Purple Haze All In My Eyes, Uhh
Don't Know If Its Day Or Night
You Got Me Blowin', Blowin' My Mind
Is It Tomorrow, Or Just The End Of Time?
Ooo
Help Me
Ahh, Yea-yeah, Purple Haze, Yeah
Oh, No, Oh
Oh, Help Me
Purple Haze, Tell Me, Baby, Tell Me
I Can't Go On Like This
Purple Haze
You're Makin' Me Blow My Mind...mama
Purple Haze, N-no, Nooo
Purple Haze, No, Its Painful, Baby
posted on May 20, 2003 04:13:59 AM new
Ah, yes, but Marijuana didn't kill Jimmy Hendrix. He took sleeping pills to get some sleep before a concert he had to do the next day and soffocated on his own vomit. There are a lot of conspiracy theories out there about how Hendrix died (including a well covered up murder), but Marijuana smoking is not one of them.
posted on May 20, 2003 09:36:40 AM new
It should be legalized but to characterize pot as a "painkiller" is misleading. Its effects last for days or weeks after smoking, and it certainly does impair the ability to drive, etc. It is also extremely addictive, for me anyway. KD is right, the government makes more money keeping it illegal.
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posted on May 20, 2003 10:25:09 AM new
Twinsoft is right. It isn't a "painkiller" but I have Fibromyalgia which is very painful at times. The couple of times I tried smoking the weed I still had pain but I didn't care. I've only used it a few times for pain and I don't really like it. It makes me lazy and fuzzy headed.
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posted on May 20, 2003 11:27:23 AM new
Sorry, I didn't mean pot was a pain killer Twinsoft, I was just saying that it can be compared to pain killers as there are so many types... some really weak and some very strong. People that try the strong stuff first might not be able to handle it, just like if you tried taking a dose of heroin for a headache, or drank 100 proof instead of beer, it'll make you sick.
Ewora, that's part of the problem. You wouldn't grab a bottle labled "pain killers" without knowing what they are. Same with pot. There needs to be more information put out about the different strains so people like yourself can benefit from it. (P.S. I'm sorry you have that ewora. I've heard it's very painful.)
posted on May 20, 2003 12:42:44 PM new
A couple of months ago, I watched the "urban legend" show on MTV. There was a piece about how the major cigarette manufacturers "copyrighted" certain names for potential mary-jane cigarettes.
The other day on Judge Judy, she was asking a plaintiff questions about his substance abuse. He said he didn't have one. JJ then informed him that alcohol is a substance. He then confessed to being an alcoholic.
There are things in our society that is addictive, but people don't see it as such.
posted on May 21, 2003 04:48:39 AM new
Grass is no better or worst then alcohol.
I know people that use both as crutches for lifes problems. One is just as addictive as the other. People become dependent on many things when they can't cope.
Life's a #*!@, learn to enjoy it. It's the only one we have.
Amen,
Budweiser forever,(my choice these days)
Reverend Colin
You are right about a lot of people using it as a crutch or an escape hatch. Most of these people are adults. The teenagers I have talked to do it to "fit in", to be a part of the "in crowd". This is probably why I participated in high school and laid off of it after high school. Fortunately, after suffering my first major hangover, I laid off the alcohol, too. I have also found that as teens if you don't do it, you are considered an outcast, uncool, and whatever words they use these days. Teens can be so cruel to each other.
We sat the teens down that think they can come over and "toke" whenever the spirit hits them. I don't think they liked what they heard, but they are still coming around. I have become "mom" to a dozen or so teens - no, I'm not gray yet. I think you need to be honest with them without being condesending. They know I did it in highschool, but they also know why I don't do it now. They know, too, that I don't dislike them because they smoke it and if they need to talk, I'm here. Believe me, they do talk to me.
You are right to that life is a b*tch. You only get one to enjoy. I'm just afraid that a lot of teenagers think that over indulging is enjoying. I only pray that when (and in some cases, if) they become adults, the fog lifts and they see there are other enjoyable things in life.
Marijuana is to most teens, the "forbidden fruit". Make it okay to do, make it legal and I think it will lose at least some of it's appeal.
It's kind of funny. For a long time, my son has wanted to go the the bars that my boyfriend's band plays in. Up to the time he turned 19, I said absolutely not. At 19, I told him it was okay. Now, his response to an invite is, "No, that's okay." I think if I say that he cannot go he will want to.
It is the designer drugs that scare me also. I strongly feel that by legalizing marijuana, you may take some of the appeal of these drugs away. Marijuana would become more controlled and NOT by the scum bag dealers out there. Cigarettes are a huge tax income for states, why not Marijuana? Alcohol, too, is big tax income. I think we lost billions during prohibition. I think over time we have proven that to "forbid" something is to make it more desirable, more cool, more appealing.
I was in high school during the late 60's and early 70's. Black Beauties, Blotter Acid and Marijuana were the drugs of choice. Mild compared to what they are doing today. I knew no one doing cocaine at the time. To this day, I've never tried it nor have I had a desire to. My little circle didn't consider those drugs to be cool. That, along with Heroin, was left to the low lifes of society. Even most rock stars tried to keep that underwraps. That is until they died from doing it and it became public knowledge.
posted on May 21, 2003 06:27:26 AM new
interesting thread!
have any of you considered ALL YOU CAN EAT CHINESE BUFFET to be an alternative??
watch the people who parked their cars and walked toward the restaurant,there is a look on their face like they are visiting MECCA.
many of us prefer the mundane stuff!!
