kraftdinner
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posted on June 26, 2003 11:30:16 AM new
If it were possible to have your child implanted with a tiny gps (global positioning) chip, would you do it for safety reasons?
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bear1949
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posted on June 26, 2003 01:00:13 PM new
I've advocated for years to implant children with coded chips (like on race horses, dogs & "etc", and no I'm not compairing children to aminals, though some are).
If I had young children, I'd do it in a heart beat.
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profe51
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posted on June 26, 2003 01:47:40 PM new
depends...if nobody besides me and my family knew the ID to the chip I'd consider it. If it's going to get entered into some data bank, no thanks...too much room for misuse.
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
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davebraun
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posted on June 26, 2003 02:05:57 PM new
No fk'n way. A national GPS people registry. What the gestapo would have given for this. I can see it now. Parking officers show up outside your toilet to discuss past due parking violations or some such nonsense years in the future.
In the 50's tattooing was considered to mark all children for reference.
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Helenjw
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posted on June 26, 2003 02:26:48 PM new
Absolutely not.
Children have the right to freedom too.
Helen
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CBlev65252
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posted on June 26, 2003 02:29:20 PM new
Nopa, nope, nope.
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
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mlecher
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posted on June 26, 2003 02:44:20 PM new
I would have guessed that bear would be in favor of government monitoring of people's movements and activities.
There is a better, less governmwnt intrusive method....it is called PAYING ATTENTION TO YOUR CHILDREN.
But of course, you want Bush and Gang to keep an eye on your children, how special.
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scb64
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posted on June 26, 2003 02:54:02 PM new
I can just picture the kidnapper or molester carving up his prey to find the chip and ditch it before moving on. Ditto for POWS once the military starts this. (they may have already gone beyond the wallet card GPS locator device experiment)
One more thing that sounds OK & looks good on paper but, is not refined & safeguarded enough to use yet. Certainly would be great for lots of humane purposes if ALL the bugs could be solved.
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bigcitycollectables
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posted on June 26, 2003 03:13:52 PM new
Wonder when this administration will inforce "THE MARK OF THE BEAST"
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bear1949
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posted on June 26, 2003 03:30:08 PM new
mlecher, If you had a mind, I'd say you freaking lost it.
I am not advocating government tracking of US citizens, via GPS implants or otherwise.
Do you think (using the word think loosely in your case) the government tracks all the aminals with implanted ID's, you need to detox or join AA.
The idea of implanting a kid with such a device would only be used in cases of missing or abducted children.
Finally, mlecher: I would like to take you seriously, but to do so would be an affront to your intelligence.
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bigcitycollectables
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posted on June 26, 2003 03:36:34 PM new
You of all people shouldnt attack someones intellegiance. Your party are anti intellectaul. The only people that the conservetive way of life apeals to are the DUMB and the MEAN.
[ edited by bigcitycollectables on Jun 26, 2003 03:37 PM ]
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davebraun
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posted on June 26, 2003 03:48:40 PM new
The idea of implanting a kid with such a device would only be used in cases of missing or abducted children.
Who determines when that is? Ashcroft? Wolfi or some other nazi some day in the near future. Bennotin the clothes manufacturer has already experimented with tagging their clothing with microdots in order to track them? The plan was abandoned when word got out.
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mlecher
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posted on June 26, 2003 04:17:53 PM new
Finally, mlecher: I would like to take you seriously, but to do so would be an affront to your intelligence
So apparently you got nothing, do you?
Add a tracking system to the people AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL TRACK THEM. Haven't you got a CLUE that you already AGREE with everyone that the chip is BAD?
It is always the argument against gun registration is because you gun nuts claim the government would use those records to take those guns. Yet within the same breath, you state that the government wouldn't use a GPS tracking system to follow everyone around.
Frankly, I think the government would prefer the chip over the gun registration. Easier to target bombs....
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wrightsracing
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posted on June 26, 2003 05:09:25 PM new
"PAYING ATTENTION TO YOUR CHILDREN"
that would solve alot of the problems, it is too bad that they don't listen, or care enough before the fact.
every day you hear about a child that has drowned in a swimming pool, why, because the parent was taking a nap or something else
bottom line is, the perents only give a damn about themselfs, and care only of the child when something happens, and then they want to sue.
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Helenjw
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posted on June 26, 2003 05:24:24 PM new
Nonsense!
The best insurance against drowning is knowing how to swim.
Helen
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Twelvepole
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posted on June 26, 2003 05:42:19 PM new
I think overall this is a good idea, but in reality it wouldn't work the way it was supposed to.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 26, 2003 05:57:52 PM new
The reason why I asked this question is because John Walsh was on Larry King saying that this type of technology was on the way for children. I really thought about it, and I can't see why it wouldn't be a good thing. How could it be misused for children?
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CBlev65252
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posted on June 26, 2003 06:07:54 PM new
kraftdinner
What happens to these kids once they become adults with chips in their heads? What happens to the chip as the child grows? This may sound paranoid to the right swingers out there, but another way to track a parent is to follow the child. While the idea is basically a good one, there are too many uncertainties and too many opportunities for misuse. We already know from experience that the powers that be cannot always be trusted. If I recall, there were plenty of movies in the 50's, 60's and 70's centered around such things. Only for adults. We couldn't imagine it then, why are we even considering it now?
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
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Twelvepole
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posted on June 26, 2003 06:18:15 PM new
ANYTHING that transmits in the air can be picked up and read... if you want to take the time and have the technology to do so...
So how many children could be tracked down and used and abused? Any that had this device.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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austbounty
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posted on June 26, 2003 06:38:16 PM new
We could start by planting one in all politicians.
That way we know where they are, who they are hanging with, and which CEO's offices they frequent.
Also, perhaps we could program it so bells ring if their IQ drops bellow say...120.
It could also emit a light electrical shock if they sleep for longer than 8hours, or if they aren’t concentrating on what people are saying.
We could also give them a little ‘prompt’ if we thought they weren’t working hard enough.
But seriously now,
If we put a chip in all guns, then bells can ring if it goes into a bank.
Prof has guns and I’ reckon he wouldn’t mind; but dishonest men with evil intent may object to it.
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davebraun
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posted on June 26, 2003 07:32:44 PM new
The avenues of potential abuse far outweigh any potential benefits. We would have a population which could be monitored 24/7. Not my cup of tea. Any system would be far too vulnerable to both official misuse and hackers. Walsh both feeds and feeds on paranoia.
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bear1949
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posted on June 26, 2003 07:43:41 PM new
bigcitycollectables
Are your parents siblings? If so your gene pool could use a little chlorine.
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austbounty
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posted on June 26, 2003 08:03:21 PM new
But paranoia is good for the defence economy, and we can all get 'Trickled Down' upon effect.
It creates employment, or then again does it
create unemployment by reducing funding in health and education.
Bear, save that kind of talk for your dinner table.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 26, 2003 08:21:44 PM new
It seems clear to me that pedophiles and child murderers can not be cured or punished no matter how long they stay in jail, so why would this not be a good way to protect children. I'm sure the implant could easily be removed when no longer needed, like Cheryl was thinking.
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austbounty
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posted on June 26, 2003 09:15:35 PM new
If families weren't dissolving, and society decaying, and in the case of 2 parents, we didn't BOTH need to go to work all day and even nights, then perhaps our children would have more of what they really need and people wouldn't be calling for tracking devises.
This is offered up largely as a defence against a symptom of our decaying societies and does not address the problems.
Perhaps some of these same people that are asking for tracking devises in kids because parents are just plain tired, could consider providing parents with an permanent intravenous drip full of cocaine.
This paedophilia is a western Anglo dominated society problem.
Just face it, and ask why and do something about that.
Next time you hear an adult tell a child that they look 'sexy' ask them how it can be that the child makes them horny.
Then we can go on and get rid of some of these miss teen and pre-teen beauty quests.
Is this kind of 'appeal' you see in children. This is not the kind of appeal I want my kids to aspire to achieve and to portray.
Is it so hard to understand that erotic films make adults horny, well then why let kids watch them, are they the role models we want.
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CBlev65252
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posted on June 27, 2003 04:42:14 AM new
I'm sure the chip could be removed. Still, I wouldn't want my child's right to privacy to be violated. As twelve pointed out, anything that is transmitted through the air can be picked up. Picked up by anyone! How does this protect your child when I'm sure the technology exists for pedaphiles to use the chip to their advantage. It wouldn't only be the government that knows where your child is. If a child is to be considered to have rights before it is born, doesn't that same child have rights after it is born?
Cheryl
My religion is simple, my religion is kindness.
--Dalai Llama
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mlecher
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posted on June 27, 2003 06:52:49 AM new
What seems like a good idea now can quickly become a bad idea when it is mandatory.
Consider the WONDERFUL advantages of having an implanted chip, even in adults.
If you get lost or kidnapped, you can be found
No need to carry money, just scan the chip area when you purchase something and it is automatically withdrawn from your bank account.
No one can steal your car because only someone with the proper chip codes are behind the wheel.
Locating your lost children in a supermarket/mall.
All wonderful ideas for which to sell it to us if the foot is let in the door. Especially the banking idea.
Then it becomes the "preferred" program as it becomes more popular and a cost-effective way to live.
Then it becomes mandatory as other methods are deemed to costly to persue and maintain.
Then the control is complete........
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msincognito
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posted on June 27, 2003 08:56:29 AM new
From a public-safety standpoint, the only time this would be useful is in the case of child abduction, which is 1) extremely rare and 2) usually committed by non-custodial parents.
Most pathological child molesters do not see themselves as victimizers. Therefore, they don't try to take the child away from parents. Instead, they usually follow a pattern of slowly escalating contact with a child, either in a custodial setting (like a day care, school or volunteer organization) or in the neighborhood (getting boys to come over to play video games, offering to babysit, etc.) The kid comes home every night, so Mom never gets worried or upset ... until the kid starts acting out or flat-out tells her what's been going on. The chip would do no good in this kind of case. And this is the way 90 percent of child molestations proceed.
The danger with the chip (and other "cheap tricks" like sexual offender registries) is that it gives people a sense of false security. Parents don't want to talk to their children about the possibility of sexual molestation in the kind of frank detail that kids really need to defend themselves, and they really don't want to deal with the fact that it's most likely to be a friend or relative doing the molesting.
So they talk vaguely about "stranger danger" and take all these mechanical steps, like implanting the chip or fingerprinting their kid. None of this prepares a child for the real danger, which is that someone they know will start getting a little too affectionate, which progresses to touching bad places, which progresses to ....
I don't see the tradeoff. Giving away civil liberties by the boatload, just to protect kids from a largely illusory threat? No thanks!
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We do not see things as they are. We see them as we are.
------------The Talmud
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kcpick4u
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posted on June 27, 2003 09:35:29 AM new
The real question is: will they implant devices in your children?
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austbounty
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posted on June 27, 2003 10:01:03 AM new
You make a lot of sence msincognito.
Anyhow surely this is a troll thread,no body in their right mind would suggest this .
[ edited by austbounty on Jun 27, 2003 10:03 AM ]
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