gravid
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posted on July 18, 2003 12:04:03 PM new
He will be listed as a suicide of course.
In a sense that's what it is when you oppose fascist governments.
"The prime minister is obviously very distressed for the family of Dr Kelly,"
Yeah right. Distressed the body was found instead of disposed of properly.
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kraftdinner
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posted on July 18, 2003 12:06:11 PM new
Sorry gravid, but who's Dr. David Kelly?
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gravid
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posted on July 18, 2003 12:29:39 PM new
The British fellow - a bio scientist - who blabbed to the BBC that Blair made up fairy tales about the same as Bush to push for war in Iraq.
The latest casualty.
But what the heh? You can't make a texas tea party without some colateral damage.
[ edited by gravid on Jul 18, 2003 12:31 PM ]
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CBlev65252
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posted on July 18, 2003 01:03:12 PM new
It just keeps getting worse, doesn't it? And yet, you still have those who are defending the men who have been the cause of it all - Blair and Bush. The double B's.
Cheryl
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gravid
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posted on July 18, 2003 01:58:24 PM new
Well if this doesn't shut a few critics up they're pretty slow learners.
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Helenjw
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posted on July 18, 2003 02:20:20 PM new
Dr. Kelly is described as an honest and decent scientist who served his country with honor.
It's disgraceful that such an honorable man was so mistreated by the British select committee
and was wrongly implicated in the Blair - Bush caper. The cause of his death, if not suicide
is sinister.
Helen
[ edited by Helenjw on Jul 18, 2003 02:36 PM ]
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gravid
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posted on July 18, 2003 02:23:48 PM new
Just plant him next to Vincent Foster.
He screwed around with real power.
Some good reading on him here -
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.html
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CBlev65252
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posted on July 18, 2003 02:24:31 PM new
And still, Bush and Blair will sleep well tonight.
Cheryl
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Helenjw
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posted on July 18, 2003 03:33:13 PM new
Maybe not...
The political fallout was immediate. Prime Minister Tony Blair, who learned
about the discovery of the body while flying from Washington to Tokyo,
promised an independent judicial inquiry into the death if the body was
confirmed to be Kelly's.
But opponents called for Blair to return and face a broader probe into
the case he made for war. The shock even sent Britain's pound tumbling
half a percent on currency markets as traders weighed the severity of the
crisis for Blair.
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gravid
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posted on July 18, 2003 05:28:37 PM new
Robert Jackson, the Conservative MP in whose constituency Dr Kelly lived, said the "responsibility of the BBC should not go unmentioned" in the case.
"The pressure was significantly increased by the fact the BBC refused to make it clear he was not the source," he said.
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Tory MP Richard Ottaway, another committee member, said: "He is not used to the media glare, he is not used to the intense spotlight he has been put under."
Yup - starting to paint a picture for the public...
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Helenjw
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posted on July 18, 2003 05:47:34 PM new
"When I needed to talk to somebody on a key issue of the moment - like the anthrax-in-the-post scare
following 9/11 - David was there. There was no other person I would have gone to as such a source
of unvarnished truth - and of such funny asides."
Professor Alastair Hay writes: As an environmental toxologist, I have covered chemical
and biological warfare issues since the 1970s and met David Kelly at many conferences; notably the
Pugwash gatherings, which brought together scientists from many countries to talk issues through as
professionals, not bound by national or political rivalries.
"A week ago, I spent 40 minutes trying to get through to him at the MoD, to wish him well; they would
not put me through to any of his numbers. After I finally got through by email, telling him to take care,
he replied that he wanted to get back to Baghdad, and some real work."
I haven't read any news report in which anyone said that he was depressed.
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gravid
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posted on July 18, 2003 07:25:12 PM new
Took a news pic of Blair and sprayed his hands in red dripping on the podium. But decided it looked too real. I'll leave it for the Onion.
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profe51
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posted on July 18, 2003 07:38:19 PM new
Bush may very well lose his staunchest (only?) ally. Wasn't it mentioned in another thread that the British election is before ours?
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
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kiara
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posted on July 18, 2003 08:33:16 PM new
Ve haf vays of making you not talk....
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Helenjw
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posted on July 20, 2003 06:22:30 AM new
Kelly warned of 'dark actors playing games'
THE e-mail to a friendly American reporter appeared routine but there was one telling phrase.
The impassioned writer spoke of "many dark actors playing games". Moments later Dr David Kelly left his home on his final walk into his beloved Oxfordshire countryside. The respected scientist and father of three had decided to leave his fellow actors behind and exit the stage he had so reluctantly been forced to mount.
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Kelly claimed, that in 1985, Iraq obtained Anthrax through a mail order of Virginia-based American Type Culture Collection.
Kelly was more than just an "adviser to the Foreign Office". From 1984-1992 he was Head of Microbiology at the Chemical and Biological Defence Establishment, Porton Down.
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Twelvepole
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posted on July 20, 2003 06:45:36 AM new
In a game of chess, the pawns are always removed... 
Wonder of the BBC had him removed for this publicity? Funny how none of you thought of that...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Helenjw
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posted on July 20, 2003 06:50:02 AM new
It's a tale only the best conspiracy theorist could dream up.
Eleven microbiologists mysteriously dead over the span of just five months.
Some of them world leaders in developing weapons-grade biological plagues.
Others the best in figuring out how to stop millions from dying because of
biological weapons. Still others, experts in the theory of bioterrorism.
The first three died in the space of just over a week in November.
Benito Que, 52, was an expert in infectious diseases and cellular biology
at the Miami Medical School. Police originally suspected that he had been
beaten on Nov. 12 in a carjacking in the medical school's parking lot.
Strangely enough, though, his body showed no signs of a beating. Doctors
then began to suspect a stroke.
Just four days after Dr. Que fell unconscious came the mysterious disappearance
of Don Wiley, 57, one of the foremost microbiologists in the United States.
Dr. Wiley, of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute at Harvard University,
was an expert on how the immune system responds to viral attacks such as the
classic doomsday plagues of HIV, ebola and influenza.
He had just bought tickets to take his son to Graceland the following day.
Police found his rental car on a bridge outside Memphis, Tenn. His body
was later found in the Mississippi River. Forensic experts said he may have had
a dizzy spell and have fallen off the bridge.
Cont...
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Fenix03
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posted on July 20, 2003 08:33:49 AM new
::I haven't read any news report in which anyone said that he was depressed. ::
Helen - this could be because the event which is being "credited" with inspiring his suicide only took place the day before he walked off into the woods. Basically the impression is that he "fell on his sword". After the body was found and before cause of death was identified there was an interview with a family member that said that she believed he had committed suicide to escape the pressure and publicity surrounding the BBC report.
I think this war is going to claim more than a few political careers by the time all is said and done.
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~ Formerly Neonmania on Vendio ~
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Helenjw
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posted on July 20, 2003 09:10:10 AM new
I know the story, Fenix. Lots of conspiracy theories abound too.
Whether it's suicide or not, a man is dead because he was "used" to clear the name of the governments
chief communications officer and placed under intense pressure.
Blair is being asked to resign.
Helen
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CBlev65252
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posted on July 20, 2003 12:45:37 PM new
An update from London (thanks, C**** for keeping me updated):
Do you have blood on your hands? - a question asked at Blair's press conference in Japan earlier today. He chose to ignore it.
This whole issue has grown out of a spat between the Prime Minister's spin doctor and the state-funded, but nevertheless journalistically independent BBC.
Some time ago, the BBC accused the powers-that-be of "sexing up" the evidence on WMD, in particular the claim that such weapons not only existed, but could be launched at 45 minutes notice. It has refused to name its source.
Dr Kelly freely admitted that he had spoken to journalists, but insisted that the most damaging aspects of the allegations did not originate from him. He was nevertheless put up to face a Parliamentary enquiry into the matter - and exonerated, after aggressive questioning.
It will be interesting to read tomorrow's newspapers. There is a major issue at stake here, namely that of Freedom of the Press and Media to report as it thinks fit - without pressure from the government of the day.
The Prime Minister has ordered an independent judicial enquiry into events leading up to Dr Kelly's death.
The Leader of the Opposition has demanded the recall of Parliament (currently on its 3-month summer break) to extend that enquiry's remit to cover the wider issue of the government's handling of intelligence.
Glenda Jackson, former government minister, has repeated her call for Blair's resignation.
Dr Kelly's final e-mail included the words "many dark actors playing games", apparently referring to the Ministry of Defence and UK Intelligence Services.
Interesting times...
Here's another one regarding Dr. Kelly:
Police have to be careful what they say, since there has to be an inquest, but the body is indeed Dr Kelly. His wrists were slashed. A knife was found nearby. Nobody else is being sought.
Cheryl
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Helenjw
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posted on July 20, 2003 01:52:01 PM new
The question about Blair having "blood on his hands" had a dramatic effect.
Blair, in East Asia, silent on quitting over Iraq expert's death
HAKONE, Japan (AFP) - British Prime Minister Tony Blair dramatically refused to say whether he might quit over the death of a former UN arms inspector at the center of allegations that Downing Street misused intelligence and exaggerated the threat of Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Caught out at the start of an East Asia tour by the worst crisis in his six years in power, a visibly exhausted Blair said nothing when asked, point-blank, at a press conference if he had "blood on his hands" and might resign.
Instead, he stared silently out across the room full of journalists and TV cameras for several tense seconds and then with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi at his side, left the room.
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gravid
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posted on July 20, 2003 06:32:35 PM new
I would imagine in England that the Dr. did not own a pistol so they could not shoot him in the head and put it in his hand like Vincent Foster. But for the sort of agents that do wet work it wouldn't be too great a bother to hold the fellow while he bleeds out. I believe this is the first time I have ever heard of someone cutting one wrist to suicide. Wonder why it is usually two?
Doesn't make much sense he'd do it after they characterized his testimony as exonorating. And he said he'd give it a week to see how his testimoney was taken before saying any more.
He was reported to have greeted several people during the begining of his walk and been in good spirits.
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Helenjw
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posted on July 20, 2003 07:38:49 PM new
How will we ever be able to believe any information issued by this administration?
A poster from England wrote,
"Can we protest? Make a noise? The biggest demonstration in British history turned out against the war, and that was utterly ignored."
"I passionately feel that this cannot be allowed to continue. This is a blot on the national character, and I for one feel deeply, deeply ashamed of what has transpired here. Something really has to happen here - this New Labour cabal cannot be allowed to continue to ride roughshod over the people, constitution and democracy"
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bear1949
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posted on July 21, 2003 11:41:47 AM new
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Too bad all the hot air blasing from the left can't be used for producing electrical power.
Wouldn't need oil, coal or gasoline.
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Helenjw
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posted on July 21, 2003 12:34:04 PM new
Too bad we can't harness the immense unused potential present in your brain and turn it into one original thought.
Helen
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profe51
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posted on July 21, 2003 03:07:35 PM new
 helen!
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What luck for the leaders that men do not think. - Adolph Hitler
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Helenjw
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posted on July 21, 2003 04:32:22 PM new
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Helenjw
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posted on July 22, 2003 07:25:29 AM new
Dr. David Kelly: The committee transcript in full
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clarksville
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posted on July 22, 2003 09:45:17 AM new
Quayle on
Mysterious Deaths
Author Steve Quayle (stevequayle.com)
Quayle said he suspects Dr. Kelly, Britain's leading scientific expert on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, didn't commit suicide but rather was silenced to cover up things he knew.
He connected Kelly's demise with a number of odd deaths of microbiologists (as reported in this article) http://stevequayle.com/News.alert/NBC/020303.14.dead.scientists.html that began in 2001. Quayle suggested that a "genetically altered super plague" is being clandestinely developed and that these scientists may have been killed to prevent them from making an antidote or vaccine for it, or spreading information about the project.
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clarksville
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posted on July 22, 2003 10:03:20 AM new
Helen are you smelling your armpits again?
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