Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2003 06:52:47 AM new
Twelvepole,
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[ edited by Helenjw on Sep 2, 2003 06:53 AM ]
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colin
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posted on September 2, 2003 07:20:23 AM new
Twelve,
I'm wondering just where and when you took these business courses.
"I wish some of you people would go back and take some business classes... overtime shows INEFFICIENCY in their production efforts, it is MORE costly in the long run than hiring new workers, who most times start at the bottom and make way less than people who have been there and especially making time and half."
Starting at the bottom on a union job is not as low as you think. Between state and federal Compensation costs, a benefit package and training, It's a lot cheaper to have your reliable people work Overtime.
As far as those that have been there a long time, Many companies are offering early retirement incentives. It not the pay, It's the vacation and other perks the long time workers get that costs these companies.
Many of the big companies here in the North east are cutting their production people to the limits. Some are trying to use attrition but will cut anyway they can. It's the bottom line with them. Some have cut and shipped the work out of the area only to find The quality and production couldn't come close to what was here in the first place.
It's those new MBA grads that have the theory and not the hands on experience. I've never met a Bean counter with a personality.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
http://www.reverendcolin.com
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Fenix03
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posted on September 2, 2003 07:37:38 AM new
Twelve - your arrogance and ignorance in this situation is mindboggling. The fact that you would state that overtime is a sign of inefficiency is a flat out assumption. There are are a multitude of reasons for overtime.
One exmple would be retail businesses that are open 10 hours a day. From a business standpoint, what makes more sense, a sinlge crew that works the entire work day or two part time crews that each work only park of the day to cover your business hours. There are countless other readons for overtime as well as for Salaried employees working over 40 hours.
Many employers pile additional work on a salaried employee simply because they know that they will not have to pay for the additional hours it will take to complete it. You say that accepting that work is being a doormat but in this economy and employment climate you don't quit a job (unless you have have already been offered a new one) or put it into risk because of a couple extra hours being worked.
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Men Are Like Grapes. If You Stomp on Them and Keep Them in the Dark Long Enough, They Might Turn Into Something That You Would Take to Dinner
Edited because of my possessed computer
[ edited by Fenix03 on Sep 2, 2003 08:30 AM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 2, 2003 08:02:17 AM new
First of all Colin, Unions SUCK... that is my opinion of them and one of the key reasons jobs are leaving the country.
Fenix, take some of that hard earned money and go buy a clue... me thinks you been on the dole too long....
Helen, Pucker up you know where to plant those lips...
If a production company is consistently going into overtime... that is gross inefficiency...
Temps are a wonderful tool... many companies know how to use them successfully...
Retail businesses do have some limitations and busy seasons... that require overtime... salaried employees ARE NOT the slaves most of you seem to think you are.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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davebraun
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posted on September 2, 2003 08:17:33 AM new
Forget about an hourly rate. Why not just pay piece work rates. Pay for results not idle time spent daydreaming on company time. Children can also be paid a more realistic rate as well as undocumented workers. And of course everyone knows women will work for 70% of the male rate and make better coffee to boot. Better yet through various workfare programs reciprients can be hired and their hourly rate will be partially paid by the taxpayers dollars.
Republican, the other white meat!
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Fenix03
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posted on September 2, 2003 08:31:35 AM new
Twelve - what the hell are you talking about?
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Men Are Like Grapes. If You Stomp on Them and Keep Them in the Dark Long Enough, They Might Turn Into Something That You Would Take to Dinner
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 2, 2003 08:43:40 AM new
LOL and you say I have ingnorance... figures
Speaking of arrogance... guess I would seem arrogant to those of Low Self Worth... you should try some self help books...
You maybe trying to be sarcastic there davebraun... but some employers do hire half-way house people and welfare people just for that purpose 
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Fenix03
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posted on September 2, 2003 09:09:52 AM new
Yes Twelve - I say you have ignorance. I will add short term memory loss to that as well since I have repeatedly said on here that I am self employed and have been for a few years so your comment about the dole is completely lacking in basis - thus the question of what the hell you are talking about.
I acknowledge that you are blind to the reality of life outside your little world - I don't even bother to question what you are referring to when you try to judge the happenings in real life.
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Men Are Like Grapes. If You Stomp on Them and Keep Them in the Dark Long Enough, They Might Turn Into Something That You Would Take to Dinner
[ edited by Fenix03 on Sep 2, 2003 10:05 AM ]
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GoldMagnet
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posted on September 2, 2003 09:12:05 AM new
People don't pick on twelvepole I found this photo of twelvepole this morning. I mean look at this poor guy he needs to be committed.
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BEAR1949
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posted on September 2, 2003 09:20:35 AM new
Helen, I see you've been taking spelling lessons from Syklite, Bigcity & Austi.
Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34
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Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2003 12:12:52 PM new
I spelled Twelvepole's message exactly right. You just don't know how to read upside down and backwards.
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skylite
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posted on September 2, 2003 01:05:03 PM new
Twelve said : Unions SUCK... that is my opinion of them and one of the key reasons jobs are leaving the country.
first twelve, you do not know your labour history in this country
second: your knowledge on the American workforce, is very limited when you make remarks like that,
Third: you are a slaver, one who supports slavery in third world countries, and i know what slavery is, because i have seen it first hand
fourth: when it comes unions it was the unions that gave you a lot of the laws we have today so your kids are not working now in the coal pits, clothes manufacturing, etc.
and i could go on but it would be a waste of time trying to convince you, with such a limited mentality that you seem to have
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 2, 2003 01:18:43 PM new
Unions served a purpose up until about 1960, then they went to sh*t.... of course liberals who want nothing more than to sponge off the labors of others and actually perform no useful work will never understand that.
I am a slaver? You need to explain that a bit further... only slavery I see is those that are under a Union's thumb paying all those dues for nothing.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2003 02:16:42 PM new
How and Why People Join Unions
People who work for a living know about the inequality of power between employers and employees.
Workers want to form unions so they can have a voice on the job to improve their lives, their families
and their communities.
With a union, working people win basic rights, like a say in their jobs, safety and security. Unions help
remedy discrimination because union contracts ensure that all workers are treated fairly and equally.
When theres a problem on the job, workers and management can work together as equals to solve it.
Higher union wages translate into stronger tax bases for our communities, better schools and infrastructures
and healthier local economies. And when workers have a real say in their hours and working conditions,
that means they can spend more quality time with their families.
Unions help make sure our nation prioritizes working peoples issues: unions hold corporations accountable,
make workplaces safe, protect Social Security and retirement, fight for quality health care and ensure that
working people have time to spend with their families.
All workers deserve to make a free and fair decision on whether to form a union.
[ edited by Helenjw on Sep 2, 2003 02:19 PM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 2, 2003 02:20:54 PM new
Everything you just posted Helen is covered under some form of code or law, no need for so called "Union Protection"
Oh and I am still waiting for that kiss you owe me... pants are down and I am bent over for ya...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2003 02:29:54 PM new
Back to the corner, twelvepole. When will you ever grow up and stop being a numb skull?
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 2, 2003 05:27:09 PM new
Twelvepole,
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Probably the same time this poster grows up and quits being a C.O.B.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2003 05:49:41 PM new
Well, twelvepole, I should retract that greeting. After all, it takes some sense to be one of those.
Helen
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davebraun
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posted on September 2, 2003 05:50:39 PM new
I am not a union member, at one time in the past I was a teamster. Without unions workers would still be dealing with goons in the employ of management enforcing the arbitrary whims of the management. Workers would be subject to unfair termination, unsafe work conditions and essentially all the progress made because of unionization. At one time union workers were 22% of the workforce, currently they comprise approx 16%. All workers benefit due to the efforts of unions on behalf of workers. I believe most union members would agree it is a privilege to pay their membership dues it never bothered me.
Republican, the other white meat!
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replaymedia
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posted on September 2, 2003 06:08:42 PM new
Certainly there was a time when the unions were necessary. Just read history, they certainly were a good thing in the beginning.
Unfortunately the government has gotten so omnipresent that they now need to regulate everything, so the unions are redundant.
Safety: OSHA
Wages: Minimum Wage laws and competition
Security: If you do your job, you won't get fired. As far as long-term security, who has that nowadays?
Other than putting marginally-profitable employers out of business, I just don't see what unions are good for anymore.
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Replay Media
Games of all kinds!
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Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2003 06:10:35 PM new
I agree with that Dave. I grew up in a labor union environment and saw first hand the advantages of belonging to a labor union. My Dad was in charge of Organizing for the East coast and Canada CWA-CIO. I am very proud of him and all that he was able to contribute to CWA workers.
Helen
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davebraun
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posted on September 2, 2003 06:25:04 PM new
The current administration, the most unfriendly to labor in history has been attempting to roll back many if not all of the gains made by labor over the past century.
Without the continued vigilance of labor and specifically unions there would be no opposition whatever.
This and most administrations have been against raising the minimum wage to a livable standard. Unions are fighting this. This administration has attempted to ease both OSHA, air and water quality standards which affect both workers and everyone downstream of the various workplaces. This administration has attempted to bust every union bar none.
Republican, the other white meat!
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Helenjw
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posted on September 2, 2003 06:27:11 PM new
Here are a few links to labor union organizations
AFL-CIO
American Federation of Teachers
American Postal Workers
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
Teamsters
United Auto Workers
United Mine Workers of America
United Steel Workers
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