posted on September 3, 2003 05:59:05 PM new
Here is a hypothetical question...
1. You all agree that abortion is good and the right choice for a woman...
2. You all agree that deviants (Homosexuals) have a right to our society and that it is not a "choice" to be queer, but in the "genes"...
So here is the question, in the future medical people are able to determine that an unborn baby is going to be homosexual, so mothers decide to abort the babies... is that still their "choice" to abort based on what the baby may turn out to be?
posted on September 3, 2003 06:19:59 PM new
TwelvePole I am a Independant I vote for the best man or woman running. But here is my answer to your question.
posted on September 3, 2003 07:11:27 PM new
Oh boy, two touchy subjects in one thread. Personally, abortion is not for me just as homosexuality is not for me. However, that does not give me the right, moral or otherwise, to decide what is best for someone else.
No, I don't believe in abortion for abortion's sake. I think using it for selective birth is an abuse of our right to choose. However, I cannot see a way to curb that without putting the whole of Roe vs Wade in jeopardy.
I would hope that by the time a mother would find out her child could be homosexual that the bond will have already formed. Or, that by the time something like that could be determined, this society would have ceased being so narrow minded. My mother gave birth to two sons that turned out to be gay. She has never regretted it and has never loved them less because of it. Had my son turned out to be gay, he'd still be precious and a gift in my eyes.
Cheryl
The next time you think you're so perfect, try walking on water.
posted on September 3, 2003 08:25:36 PM new1.You all agree that abortion is good and the right choice for a woman...
For the purposes of this discussion, I'm liberal. I don't know who "you all" is. I don't necessarily share identical positions on all matters regarding politics and society with every other liberal. I resent being lumped into a stereotyped, imaginary group as much as any conservative with more than a thimble of brains would resent being placed on the same level as, say, David Duke, or the Aryan Brotherhood. I don't agree that abortion is "good". I do believe that there are times when it may be considered, and I do believe it is a woman's right to have that choice. Is it taking a life? Of course it is. So is war. So is capital punishment. I oppose neither of those, as a matter of principle either, when they are warranted. I also don't agree that it is the "right" choice for a woman. It may be, it may not be. I do believe women should have the right to make that choice, and live with the emotional and perhaps religious significance of their choice.
2.You all agree that deviants (Homosexuals) have a right to our society and that it is not a "choice" to be queer, but in the "genes"...
Once again, I don't know who "you all" is. I don't agree that homosexuality is genetic. I don't presume to know whether it is or isn't. I do know, in my own personal experience with gay people I have known, that they never felt they had a choice about being gay, any more than a heterosexual person feels they had to make a choice to be straight. For the sake of argument, let's just say that it is "in the genes":
So here is the question, in the future medical people are able to determine that an unborn baby is going to be homosexual, so mothers decide to abort the babies... is that still their "choice" to abort based on what the baby may turn out to be?
Nope. Not for me. Aborting a fetus on the basis of genetic information is tantamount to genetic engineering of the gene pool. I personally do not believe it is right for humans, any more than I believe it is right to genetically manipulate food crops by cross specific transplanting of genetic material. The only possible exception I could see for this would be a case where there was the likelihood of death to the mother or profound, irreparable birth defects/retardation to the child. Even then, I have problems with it.
Nice try at presenting your mythical group of like thinking liberals with an insurmountable dilemma twelve
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posted on September 3, 2003 08:33:35 PM new
When you have Ann Coulters babies if it is determined that they or it have the genetic predisposition to conservatism do you think it OK to terminate the pregnancy.
I ask this as I know we all agree conservatism is a form of deviation and there are enough of those pencil necks on the boards currently.
Republican, the other white meat!
posted on September 3, 2003 08:42:47 PM new
As usual Profe, you stand on a fence and lack the backbone to take a stand... would expect nothing less from you... it would be refreshing if sometime you actually answered a question standing on one side or the other... or are you afraid of taking a stand?
posted on September 4, 2003 04:33:32 AM newAs usual Profe, you stand on a fence and lack the backbone to take a stand]
or are you afraid of taking a stand?
Your first post began with the assumption that all liberals agree on homosexuality and abortion. That, I'm afraid, isn't correct. I offered my opinion, and your response is to say I lack backbone.
This is going to turn in to another pointless name calling session. Too bad...
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posted on September 4, 2003 05:59:30 AM new
Editing your insults now? What's the matter, did you decide you'd been using too many sheep jokes lately?
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posted on September 4, 2003 06:40:50 AM new
No, I decided saying something about you sheep humping is like saying Liberace was gay... everyone already knows it...
But never fear there wannabe... they will still be around
posted on September 4, 2003 06:47:31 AM newNo, I decided saying something about you sheep humping is like saying Liberace was gay... everyone already knows it...
There you go, that's better
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posted on September 4, 2003 06:51:40 AM new
So glad people like you can get a teaching certificate... makes me feel soooo much better knowing you in some way are influencing the minds of our young adults....
posted on September 4, 2003 07:56:18 AM new
Twelve - I'll answer your question
Yes- I believe that the mother has the right to abort the child . The right to have control over your own body should be complete and without exceptions. You do not suddenly lose that right simply because I may not agree with your reasons.
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posted on September 4, 2003 12:16:35 PM new
As you can see Fenix, lecher, and KD, TP would much rather insult than make his own position clear, or discuss the issue in a rational manner. This entire post was started as a troll so he could insult people with whom he does not agree. He began by making the assumption that all liberals think alike. When that proved to be false, he began name calling, using the usual cheapshots; what he thinks he knows about folks on this board. It 's par for the course.
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posted on September 4, 2003 12:46:36 PM new
Right Prof... I realize it and really we shouldn't have responded. Actually, 12-pole is just irrelevant but I was bored.....
posted on September 4, 2003 12:52:44 PM new
Well Prof, I guess we can all play at this...
So my answer to your question Twelve, is yes, since I am Pro-Abortion, if I knew I had some yucky, nutrient-sucking deviant taking up space in my body, I'd have an abortion (might even do it myself if I couldn't get to the abortion clinic fast enough), and probably keep having abortions until I got a deviant-free kid, or whatever
Prof, what about you? If you could have Ann Coulter's baby, but the doctors told you, in advance, the child's hands would be bigger than Mike Tysons, would you abort?
posted on September 4, 2003 12:54:33 PM new
Exactly right, Profe -
Frankly, twelvepole's remarks to me and other people on this board are so offensive that I usually avoid threads such as this one. Maybe he should be left to talk to himself.
posted on September 7, 2003 01:37:02 PM new
Just like Bush and gang! Good and evil, black and white. Don't conservatives believe in some yes, some no, some in the middle?
Haven't been here in a long time, and this is one reason why! That is such a stupid question it doesn't warrant a reply.
Linda K, is there some report or statistic to substantiate your statement about girls being aborted?
posted on September 7, 2003 02:09:32 PM new
The main thing that conservatives leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth is they moralize and moralize the abortion issue; but come time to support all these kids born to teenage mothers and people with no means of support for children -- any social services is always the first areas hit by tax cuts. "MAKE SURE THEY'RE BORN, but hell if we care what happens with the rest of their lives while they are actually living. We've got country clubs to attend, yanno."
posted on September 7, 2003 03:28:31 PM new
12pole
On some issues, I am a liberal. On some issues I am conservative. On other issues I am in the middle, a bit of liberal and a bit of conservative.
For the abortion issue, I support pro-choice. However, it is not "good." It is killing a child who doesn't have a voice in the matter. However, since I never was in that particular situation, but have known others to have been I have compassion for the men and women who have had to make that choice.
The tactics that have been used by some anti-abortionists weren't cool. They thought they were above the law with God on their side. And they did things with the authority of God.
Yeah, I have sat in fundamentalist's meetings. We were instructed not to disagree with those who were anti-abortion militants. That was the wrong thing to say to me.
However, that's not to say I don't always agree with the pro-choice either.
It still is not determined that homosexuality is in the genes.
I could continue to write, but I don't want my book to compete with Lynch's so I will cut to the chase:
As you can see I do have a broad opinion of the abortion issue and the abortion procedure should not a birth control method.
BTW, an eye opener, about five years ago, I read an article about some homosexuals being anti-abortion. So don't assume that all so-called liberals support the pro-choice.
