Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 03:59:23 PM new
Of course they would be anti-abortion, what better way to get some unsuspecting child...
To answer my question....
I would support abortion for this, as the end would justify the means.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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clarksville
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posted on September 7, 2003 04:25:53 PM new
12pole
What if the gene tester was wrong and a heterosexual fetus was aborted?
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 04:44:29 PM new
Why are you reading more into a hypothetical question than needs to be?
What if a frog had wings? would he still bump his ass?
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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kraftdinner
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posted on September 7, 2003 05:07:56 PM new
clarksville, Twelvepole is clinically insane.
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clarksville
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posted on September 7, 2003 05:48:58 PM new
12pole
My point, I suppose was to bring to the table of discussion the possibility of error in detecting the sexual orientation of the fetus.
What if the gene tester was wrong? A heterosexual fetus is aborted because it is believed to be homosexual. A homosexual fetus is allowed to be birthed because it is believed to be heterosexual.
What do we would do with bisexual and transgendered fetuses?
kraftdinner, I thought you had a thread a few months ago about 12pole yanking our chains? That 12pole isn't serious?
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 06:02:39 PM new
Good questions, but as I was only asking the one question and it is quite Hypothetical...
I will just answer this... the tester is infallible and no errors will be made.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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kiara
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posted on September 7, 2003 06:26:24 PM new
it is quite Hypothetical...
Sort of like his hypothetical girlfriend or his hypothetical business. 
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 06:41:39 PM new
his hypothetical business
Umm yeah... just like yours 
It must really get your craw, that someone like me can be successful in business...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
[ edited by Twelvepole on Sep 7, 2003 06:46 PM ]
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stonecold613
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posted on September 7, 2003 07:37:35 PM new
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kiara
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posted on September 7, 2003 08:17:20 PM new
Editing and stuttering now, are we?
Are you boys related?
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beqasylum
http://eq.crgaming.com/
Everquest
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 08:26:58 PM new
I edited to add that part about your craw...
Stonecold could of easily copied my img url from properties, just like the way you found it...
But no we are not related that I know of...
edited to add... but the same could be asked of you and kraft...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
[ edited by Twelvepole on Sep 7, 2003 08:27 PM ]
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clarksville
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posted on September 7, 2003 08:39:48 PM new
12pole
I thought you and I were related?
I would like to add that I think that there are times to allow abortions and then there are times not to. I believe they should be judged on the individual basis.
I wouldn't not condone an abortion for a birth control method.
However, I would allow a rape victim or incest to have an abortion, if they should choose to do so. They should have the freedom not to have one as well.
If a person wanted to have an abortion because the gene tester says the fetus is homosexual, I wouldn't condone it.
However, I will admit that even though there are circumstances which I wouldn't condone an abortion, I wouldn't be willing to adopt the child either.
So, 12pole would you be willing to be the doctor that kills the fetus if the gene tester said the fetus was a homosexual? I bet you won't be able to be a simple bystander during the procedure. You would run out of the room, loosing your lunch.
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 7, 2003 08:46:34 PM new
I wouldn't know until I did it... but I have done some pretty disgusting things and didn't lose my lunch... but a dead have a smell you never forget...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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Fenix03
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posted on September 7, 2003 10:34:59 PM new
Clark - since you would condone conditional control over ones body, who gets to decide that case by case basis? ID there a manel that one must appeal to? Is it a predetermined set of approved reasons or is it a subjective decision made by each individual doctor?
You don't condone it as birth control but you have three senarios...
1) Indigent homeless women hooking to earn a meal desires abortion
2) 20 something bar fly who sleeps with anyone that buy three drinkd desires abortion
3) 30 something high end professional whos husband just announced he's having an affair wants abortion.
Are all denied or is it based on merit and if merit, then which women have deemed to not reproductive rights and what aspect of her life justified the forfeiture of them?
(yes - I know that they are extreme stereotypes - just trying to find where the line is)
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clarksville
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posted on September 7, 2003 11:12:00 PM new
The laws and the system would and do govern the individual cases.
You have never heard the language similar to abortion is illegal unless the pregnancy is result of rape or incest. Remember when politicians used to (and may still do) bring the rights of rape and incest victims?
The judicial system has been used to decide the fate of the mother's and the baby's life, when the woman is in a coma.
12pole
I've been there done that.
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Fenix03
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posted on September 8, 2003 01:05:12 AM new
Clarks - Huh?
::The laws and the system would and do govern the individual cases. ::
The only law governing abortion is the one banning partial birth.
::You have never heard the language similar to abortion is illegal unless the pregnancy is result of rape or incest. ::
Not of any existing one. Are you suggesting the Roe be overturned?
::Remember when politicians used to (and may still do) bring the rights of rape and incest victims? ::
I'm assuming this is an incomplete sentence - rpe and incest victims have the same right to an abortionas any other member of society.
::The judicial system has been used to decide the fate of the mother's and the baby's life, when the woman is in a coma.::
Only in the broadest of interpretation. A more accurate statement is that the civil court system has been used to decide guardianship of the indivdual when there are differning opinions as to action.
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clarksville
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posted on September 8, 2003 06:55:45 AM new
Thanks to many men and women who have gone before us and still walk amongst us, including myself, we have the abortion rights that we have now. With each decade, we find that our job is not done.
There is no black or white about it. The scenerios that you gave me, lacked much information in order to make a sound and reasonable judgement.
What people do with their own money is no concern of mine. However, when my tax money is used to fund abortions that I don't agree with, that's a different matter.
Nevertheless, whether or not I agree with the particular abortions or not, I want it to be safe, affordable and available to all. I remember too well the back alley, quack doctors etc to allow the abortion rights to erode.
12pole
With the hot button topics such as homosexuality and abortion rolled all into one, this thread has been pretty quiet.
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Fenix03
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posted on September 8, 2003 08:09:49 AM new
When is tax money used to pay for abortions?
BTW - the point of my scenerario was that it should not matter how or why the woman got pregnant or what her social status may be, there is not a situation under which any woman should forfit her reproductive rights and right to control her own body.
Clarks - what else is there to do...other than vote against Bush who, with another term will probably have the opportunity to place enough anti Roe judges on the Supreme Court to overturn it.
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clarksville
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posted on September 8, 2003 09:08:00 AM new
Actually, whenever a Democrat or Republican President appoints a US Supreme Court Justice, there is no quarantee the Justice will rule in the way the President wants. The likelihood is such, but the Justice may rule differently as expected by both sides.
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kraftdinner
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posted on September 8, 2003 10:53:18 AM new
"kraftdinner, I thought you had a thread a few months ago about 12pole yanking our chains? That 12pole isn't serious?"
I'm not sure what you mean clarksville. I accused Twelve of being a CRAB. Back then, I thought he was probably a nice guy but had issues that made him CRABBY and condesending to all the poster he didn't agree with. Now, after his bout with story-telling, I believe his issues go a bit deeper than just a bit-o-extra-baggage, hence the insanity (people who've completely lost touch with reality) statement.
Also, I think he's obsessed with me. That alone should prove his insanity.
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