gravid
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posted on October 10, 2003 02:17:09 PM new
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A9226-2003Oct10?language=printer
I have no words to say how dispicable these men are who minimize their responsibility. We are not talking about a hand full or even a few dozen. We are talking about hundreds of priests and the ones who covered the whole mess up are just as responsible yet have obviously learned NOTHING.
Every time they try to minimize it it just makes it worse.
This is not an organization capable of being reformed. It should simply be banned as a criminal enterprise. Religion should have no exemption for racketering - if anything they should be held to a higher standard.
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 12, 2003 12:57:30 PM new
Organized religion is corrupt.
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gravid
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posted on October 12, 2003 04:09:28 PM new
And the disorganized isn't so hot either.
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kraftdinner
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posted on October 12, 2003 04:59:04 PM new
Is there anything left, gravid, that isn't corrupt theses days? I mean, my gawd... priests?? What's left?
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Linda_K
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posted on October 12, 2003 06:47:07 PM new
To me ALL who molest children should be locked up....not the just priests who molest.
And they should be locked up for good. But not in our liberal society. The laws let them out so they can do the same thing again. But I see few getting so upset about that. I see more agruing that 'they've served their time'. Yes, they have and time and time again they go out and molest again.
Does the way the ACLU pays the cost to defend groups like NAMBLA upset you just as much as these priests do?
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miscreant
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posted on October 12, 2003 07:39:18 PM new
Wow!! More conservative lies!! Trying to blame pedophiles on the liberals.
Most abuse centers are started and staffed by liberals.
The Amber alerts were passed and instituted by Democrats but with a little help from Republicans. The conservitives thought it too exspensive.
The ACLU has represented the KKK and Nazis. The conservitives must consider them liberal too.
I am far to the left of Helen and I think pedophiles should have their goodies whacked off and be in the general prison population for life.
Remember it was Rush Limbaugh who said about 10 years ago that pedophilia was just a part of nature.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 12, 2003 08:10:29 PM new
More conservative lies. It's not a lie that currently the ACLU is defending two case, one in Kansas City and one in Mass. One is the group NAMBLA who's interest is man/boy love and it's promotion. The other is a case where a retarted boy was molested by another over 18yr old.
What part of that is a lie?
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miscreant
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posted on October 12, 2003 08:17:58 PM new
To me ALL who molest children should be locked up....not the just priests who molest.
And they should be locked up for good. But not in our liberal society.
Conservatives are not the only ones who want to see these animals locked up for good. To imply they are is a lie. But then conservatives certainly don't mind stretching the truth.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 12, 2003 08:30:48 PM new
conservatives are not the only ones....that may be. There are moderates in each party.
But groups like the ACLU are supported mostly by liberals. If they felt strongly about NOT supporting groups like NAMBLA they would not give their money to them. Or would be screaming to the hill tops to stop spending their funds in this manner.
By providing legal fees for the defense of groups like NAMBLA....that speaks volumes.
No group should be protecting those who molest children. Whether is a church OR a political group.
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miscreant
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posted on October 12, 2003 08:46:44 PM new
Wow. Still trying to pin the lowlifes of NAMBLA on the Liberals. A favorite tactic of conservitives is to use deceptive stories and outright lies to further their cause.
A friend of mine lobbies for abused children and receives cold receptions from conservitives. They are mainly trying to save the money for the next bailout of a giant corporation, usually one they have an interest in.
So please don't perpetuate the lie that conservitives care. They only care when it lines their pockets.
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gravid
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posted on October 12, 2003 08:48:50 PM new
Although I agree with some of the things the ACLU does they are way off the track on this support of NAMBLA.
There comes a point at which you have to say someone is so evil you won't associate with them for any purpose because you don't want them to exist.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 12, 2003 08:57:04 PM new
Thank you, gravid. That's what I've been trying to say. One takes a stand.
And those who contribute financially COULD be taking a stand, if they wanted to. I'm sure the ACLU would be willing to listen to the wishes of their donors.
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Still trying to pin the lowlifes of NAMBLA on the Liberals.
I don't have to 'pin' it on them. They're doing a fine job all by themselves. You cannot tell me they aren't spending their funds this way. It's a fact.
And the NAMBLA organizaton promotes this molestation of our young children.
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miscreant
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posted on October 12, 2003 09:10:07 PM new
Wow. Still trying to pin that on the Liberals by stretching the truth. The ACLU did it so all Liberals are to blame.
Timothy McVie was a conservitive so the bombing of the Morrow was the fault of conservitives. All their support of guns and firearms are to blame. Makes just as much sense and is as big a lie as Liberals support NAMBLA.
This extrme left Liberal thinks we should take molesters and put them in a barn with their goodies chained or cabled and welded to a block of steel. Hand them a knife then set the barn on fire.
Shoot all of them that run out.
Please tell me how this Liberal would support NAMBLA.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 12, 2003 09:27:04 PM new
miscreant -
My initial post asking about the ACLU was to see how they felt about those, other than priests, who either support, enable or protect those who do molest children.
You continue to bring several subjects into the mix.
Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist in my opinion.
What he did has absolutely no connection with supporting/enabling child molesters.
If you truly think these molestors are so terrible, I'm not clear why you don't agree the ACLU should let them fend for themselves.....or maybe even spend their funds the oposite way....to keep these molesters in jail forever.
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miscreant
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posted on October 12, 2003 09:41:29 PM new
Please show me a post where I said the ACLU was right in representing NAMBLA. You continue to try to pin NAMBLA on Liberals.
You fail to see that McVie was used as an example. Typical conservitive narrow focus. Did I put a connection with supporting/enabling child molesters with him? No. He was a conservitive who supported gun ownership with no limits. Should I lump him with all conservitives? No. Than why should you with the phrase "Liberal society" lump Liberals with NAMBLA? A very small minority supports the ACLU.
They also represent Nazis and the KKK. Do you consider them Liberals?
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miscreant
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posted on October 12, 2003 09:44:01 PM new
Oh yeah. This was about molester priests and you brought NAMBLA into the mix.
Put the priests in the barn too.
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austbounty
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posted on October 12, 2003 11:29:31 PM new
You won’t be hearing this ‘leftie’ defend political correctness on this issue.
Try a search for these words:
child molesting race
“MIGHTY WHITEY BELONGS TO THE CHILD MOLESTING RACE; WHITES”
http://www.jaspercountypolice.com/SexOffenderG.html
http://www.portercountysheriff.com/sex-offenders/center-twp/center.html
There are apparently some actual statistics on the issue here, but I couldn’t find them.
http://guides.library.fullerton.edu/CHILABUS/#STATISTICS
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colin
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posted on October 13, 2003 05:22:05 AM new
Linda,
On this one I have to disagree:
"To me ALL who molest children should be locked up...."
I think they should be hung in the public square.
Amen,
Reverend Colin
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Linda_K
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posted on October 13, 2003 06:25:47 AM new
Colin - You disagree with ME? lol You too? 
Okay....but let's add ALL who protect/enable the molesters too, and not just focus on one group that is allowing this behavior to continue.
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Helenjw
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posted on October 13, 2003 06:43:43 AM new
I'm so happy to see that you Republican guys who are so exceedingly conservative with your compassion have a little bit left for children.
Helen
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Linda_K
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posted on October 13, 2003 06:52:52 AM new
have a little bit left for the children
Yep...we sure do. Now if we could just get that LIBERAL ACLU to quit enabling that group to continue on....we'd be even more happy, for the children.
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Helenjw
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posted on October 13, 2003 06:58:10 AM new
Your logic is whacked, Linda. You are trying to say that ONE group that you define as a Liberal group defines all Liberals. What hogwash!
Helen
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austbounty
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posted on October 13, 2003 07:07:40 AM new
Amen!!
revhead
on this one I have to agree.
I believe that, in jails here, they are called 'rock spiders'& they get 'very special treatment'
As far as I'm concerned, these so called 'men of the cloth'
should get EXTRA special treatment.
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miscreant
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posted on October 13, 2003 08:46:18 AM new
Yep...we sure do. Now if we could just get that LIBERAL ACLU to quit enabling that group to continue on....we'd be even more happy, for the children.
Still trying to put out the lie by tying Liberals to NAMBLA.
Of course the ACLU has represented the nazis and KKK so Linda must consider them Liberal too.
It is dispicable to use the ACLUs defense of NAMBLA to paint Liberals as supporting child molesters. Of course conservatives don't feel they are bound by the truth.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 13, 2003 08:51:48 AM new
It is dispicable
What's truly dispicable to me is that the ACLU sees a need to represent, in any way shape or form, a group who promote the molestation of children.
edited to add: Just as I find it to be with those who protected/have enabled this in the church.
[ edited by Linda_K on Oct 13, 2003 08:56 AM ]
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miscreant
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posted on October 13, 2003 08:56:36 AM new
Linda. Do you anybody here defending the ACLU? Even the Liberals are condemning them. Yet you continue to perpetrate the lie that Liberals support NAMBLA.
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Helenjw
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posted on October 13, 2003 08:57:09 AM new
Linda,
The question is why do you use that information to spin the lie that ALL Liberals are in support of child molesters?
Helen
[ edited by Helenjw on Oct 13, 2003 08:58 AM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on October 13, 2003 08:59:21 AM new
Agreed Linda... ANY person or org that supports the ACLU and child molesters are wrong.
I am curiuous there miscrement, just who do you see supporting the ACLU in the MAJORITY of cases?
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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miscreant
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posted on October 13, 2003 09:04:57 AM new
12. I certainly don't condone the ACLU for this. And yet conservatives sure don't mind using it to perpetuate the lie that Liberals support child molesters.
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Linda_K
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posted on October 13, 2003 09:10:15 AM new
Here - those who have posted so far? I wouldn't know, because I don't know who here might provide financial support to the ACLU.
If you will notice I have not made an accusation against anyone posting here. But I *am* making one against the ACLU for their support on this subject. Just as gravid expressed his anger/frustration about how he judges the priests are being protected by their group.
The point is not that someone posting here has supported this stance.
Obviously the ACLU is using their funding to back the group. So...who posts what here isn't really the point.
The point is a group other than [in addition to] priests who are involved in protecting those who molest children, in one form or another.
Can't be more clear that that.
bye
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