posted on November 21, 2003 04:49:40 AM newI don't really know Michael Jackson well. How do you determine that he is socially immature? Helen
LOL...you are so very funny. No one, expressing their opinions on this case, knows him well. We all take what we read and see of him and form our own opinions, helen.
I was agreeing with bunni's statement.....He's a guy who never really grew up himself--he seems to flee adult life and hide in childhood's world.
posted on November 21, 2003 05:04:58 AM new
fenix - Glad you're back too.
::His friends have been defending him::
The problem I have with this statement was that apparently the accusation came not from the parents but from the kid during a therapy session. I'm not clear if you're saying you don't think the child should be believed or not....sorry. This wouldn't be the first time parents have let their children be 'friends' with Jackson because they had some financial gain in it for themselves.
Also the call from the prosecutors for parents of others to come forward and a comment made during the press conference regarding other known incidents os payoffs similar to the the 93 case case makes me believe that there is something more to this than greedy parents and false accusations. Oh, I have no doubt there is. Many have stated they feel the prosecutors are 'out to get Jackson', mainly because they couldn't prosecute him the last time. [civil settlement reached]
Jackson is a very sad, sad man. All his wealth and fame haven't brought him much happiness. But his sincerity in wanting to make life better for some children does come across to me as genuine.
That does not discount his odd and imo, unacceptable behaviors. But there have been many rich people, Howard Hughes comes to mind, who's actions were considered ODD.
If, as I believe, he is socially immature, he is in a way....'looking for love in all the wrong places'....with children. And if one is isolated, lonely and has the whole world watching your every move, what some do in the privacy of their own homes, ie: The Family Bed, can become distorted to some onlookers. That's why I said these are 'hard calls' to make.
posted on November 21, 2003 05:29:14 AM new "We all take what we read and see of him and form our own opinions, helen."
That was my question. What do you *see of him and how does that affect your decision that he is socially imature? What do you *read and how does that lead you to believe that he is "socially immature"? Or, are you just parroting an opinion that he is socially immature?
posted on November 21, 2003 05:40:32 AM newparroting????? Very funny helen. Is this a required question for all who have shared their 'take' on this case here....or only me?
posted on November 21, 2003 06:46:51 AM new
Linda - Thanks, and thank for the link. After watching the press conference it was obvious that the prosecuter was very passionate about the case. Truth be told though, if you were him and had listened to the first boys story, done the investigation, started preparing a case against a man you believed to be victimizing young children only to have him buy his way out and then continue to entertain young boys in his home, wouldn't that eat away at you?
As far as this case though, I was watching Celebrity Justice last night (oh hush! It was 2am and there was nothing else on) and found out something that is bothering me. Originally it was just stated that the new child told a shrink and the shrink went to authorities. I assumed that this was the kids regular shrink (not a stretch for a pediatric cancer patient to be seeing one). What was reported last night though was that the parents took the boy to the same lawyer that had represented the victim in the 93 case and that the lawyer sent the kid to the shrink who then went to police.
I would not be in the least bit surprised to find out that Jackson is molesting young boys but seeking out that particular lawyer casts a cloud of doubt over motives for me.
Best quote of the day though was from Jermain who said that this whole thing is racially motivated and law enforcement is just another form of the KKK. Doen't he know that his brother stopped being black years ago?
I love these people that insist that Michael is being persecuted because of his race and celebrity status... If Joe Schmoe the white auto mechanic down the street made a habit of having the neighborhood boys come over for sleepovers in his bed he would have been locked up years ago.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on November 21, 2003 07:02:36 AM new
fenix - wouldn't that eat away at you? Sure would. Money shouldn't allow one to 'buy' their way out of facing a criminal proceeding, and it did last time.
::Originally it was just stated that the new child told a shrink and the shrink went to authorities. What was reported last night though was that the parents took the boy to the same lawyer that had represented the victim in the 93 case and that the lawyer sent the kid to the shrink who then went to police.
I know what you mean, conflicting reports all over the place. But from what I've heard, the parents had stated they weren't going to file a civil suit against Jackson. But I have not seen a direct quote from them saying this.
Also the child's statements of what he said Jackson did to him sexually, were read on Fox News [Hannity and Colmes] last night. Pretty graphic. When 'stars' and other 'famous people' are involved there's more motivation for filing these types of suits though.
::I would not be in the least bit surprised to find out that Jackson is molesting young boys but seeking out that particular lawyer casts a cloud of doubt over motives for me.
As well it should....being the good jurist that you are....[here].
posted on November 21, 2003 07:46:27 AM new
What really, really bothers me is the fact that he continues to allow young boys to sleep in his bed with him. He apparently did not learn from the first time he was accused. There's a pattern forming here and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'm tired of hearing racially motivated this, and racially motivated that. And, what of the parents that allow this to continue? They are every bit as guilty. If I had a young boy and I found out that this man/child was sleeping in the same bed as him, I'd pull him from the house so fast his head would spin. I won't say what I'd do to Jackson. His behavior is not acceptable, socially or morally. If he wants to continue this pattern, why doesn't he move to Denmark or some other Scandinavian country where just about anything is acceptable?
I know that false accusations of sexual molestation happen far more often than they should. However, each allegation has to be taken seriously no matter how ridiculous you might think it is. It's a damn shame that we live in a world where our children aren't safe and where people with money can buy themselves out of just about anything.
posted on November 21, 2003 07:56:56 AM new
Cheryl - I completely agree with what you've said. {That is IF it's okay with helen for me to agree with anyone }
Especially the parents. They've certainly heard about the past accusations...and come on...most parents would be super-duper nuts to allow overnight stays after that.
posted on November 21, 2003 08:06:34 AM new
Linda,
Your generalized bitterness against me...even when I'm not here is not beneficial to you or anyone else. Give yourself a break and be happy for a change.
posted on November 21, 2003 08:23:09 AM new
I'm not batting silly responses back and forth with you. Consider my sincere comment. You and I and all others here will feel better if you can relax and enjoy yourself.
posted on November 21, 2003 08:46:17 AM newI'm not batting silly responses back and forth with you.
It sure would be a nice change it you would stop then.
Consider my sincere comment.
But your comment doesn't take your own actions into account, does it helen? Only mine. Look in the mirror. Look at the posts. My agreement with something bunni said started you off.
You and I and all others here will feel better if you can relax and enjoy yourself. ALL THE OTHERS???? Now you're speaking for all the others???? Let them speak for themselves, helen.
Believe it or not helen, some of the others can easily see the part you play in this too.
This is just so funny coming from you, who have told so many you will post what you want, when you want.
posted on November 21, 2003 10:24:22 AM new
Oh I have a question!
Now, all you hear about is that Jackson has boys over, because he loves children so much... But does anyone know if he has girls there also? Does he open up Neverland (is that the name? ) to both boys and girls?
ooooops gotta go for a bit!
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posted on November 21, 2003 01:45:49 PM new
Years ago (more than 20) I met Micheal and his mother when they were doing a show in Troy MI.
At that time my impression of him was that he was already too messed up to function socially.
He can function on a stage but to speak with a person one on one and shake your hand he could not make eye contact or carry on a conversation.
And that was back when he still looked fairly normal.
I think it is criminal to isolate children as performers and remove them from learning all social skills. I doubt if he would have any idea how to shop or pay his own bills or do any of the things we do everyday to live.
It also irritates the daylights out of me to see them going through a big show of cuffing someone who has flown in to turn himself in. Just as assinine as going in a stockbroker's office like it is a bunker and cuffing white collar criminals for a big show for the cameras.
It makes me wonder if they do have any substance to the charges if the prosecutor has to play to the camera like that to leave the impression in the public's mind of the subject in cuffs - so they must be guilty right?
Were they really afraid of him overpowering them on the ride downtown? Get real. It's convicting them in the media.
Maybe they will do the shotgun thing of filing 87 seperate charges so SOMETHING sticks.
posted on November 21, 2003 02:34:34 PM new
No kidding gravid. The wars and the Peterson case are getting stale, so this is perfect timing for the media lull.
I'm sure if he didn't look the way he does, he wouldn't be getting so much attention. That's half of what they center on (in the media), is the way he looks and his unusual lifestyle. That part alone, they say, makes him crazy, which is ridiculous.
I had a Philosophy TA who looked like that.
