posted on December 27, 2003 05:13:42 PM new
Not just sick cows....sick meat. The meat, poultry and fish we buy has growth hormones, antibiotics, mercury, and so many other things.
Mad cow disease can be carried by any bovine type animal, i.e., sheep, goat, deer, antelope. Hunters don't be fooled into thinking the wild game is safe.
The spine and brain "parts" may not be made available for human consumption but its put back into processed feed. The wild animals graze the ranges along with the domestic herds.
We have already been warned not to feed our children "too much" canned tuna because of high mercury levels.
Look at all the antibiotic resistant strains developing. If you eat meat you are exposed to additive antibiotics in the feed.
Look at your children. Is your 11 or 12 year old already showing full blown signs of puberty? They have been consuming growth hormones all their lives.
posted on December 27, 2003 08:23:29 PM new
Near, I'm not an organic purist by any means, but I'd say your cows were organic. We don't vaccinate our cattle, but will treat with atibiotics if necessary...usually it's for topical infections, fence cuts and the like. They are on alfalfa and timothy grass hay now that they are corraled for the winter, as well as getting fat on the fallen mesquite beans, just like the sheep. The meat sheep and goats we raise for the freezer are treated the same way. No commercial feeds unless we need to use milk replacer for a lamb or kid, and no vaccinations, hormones or regular antibiotics. Our main product, the wool sheep, are all vaccinated and treated with routine medications and given feed supplements to improve their wool. They are not for eating however. We had some rain this past summer and got fair grass, but if I leave the stock out on the range all winter they'll eat it all, and they'll tear up the ground. During drought we just have to corral them all. We sell off whatever kid and lamb is surplus from our own slaughter in the spring, I'm thinking I'll see what we can get for beef this coming year, bet it'll do well....Helen, I'll send you a prime rib roast
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posted on December 27, 2003 08:52:35 PM new
http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/GregerBSE.cfm
Last year, Oct. I attended a 1 month CHIP program. Basically Vegetarian. Everyone lost weight, reduced their Blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes medicine etc.
I've gone from a 16 to sz 8; don't see ever going back up.
Teaches you how your body works/reacts to various food groups. Put on by Dr. Hans Diehl.
It's a great way to learn about the vegetarian lifestyle.
I'm not a vegetarian, I eat a little meat and fish, eggs. I DO EAT A LOT HEALTHIER with what I've learned. Classes are available throughout the U.S. There is quite a bit to learn if you plan on going vegetarian.
posted on December 27, 2003 09:04:43 PM newyou are so very lucky
I know. When I watch my kid working the dogs in the pasture with the sheep, or see my girls going into agriculture in school, I feel truly blessed. I think there may be a bright side to all the various worries we have over contaminated food. Maybe people will actually begin to think about where their food comes from, and choose to seek alternatives to the corporate food monopoly.
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posted on December 27, 2003 09:22:45 PM new
HEY! I want want some prime rib .
I am an unabashed meat eater and there is no way I could give it up. The closest I could come to giving up beef would be eating more buffalo which I love and may have finally found an affordable source of. I tend to like "game" meats better anyway as they have much more flavor.
The place I am going to be placing a buffalo order from also has wild boar - can anyone tell me how this differs from pork - Is it worth a try?
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posted on December 27, 2003 11:46:28 PM new
A 25-year-old Green Beret Staff Sergeant was assigned duty in Oman. He ate a traditional dinner of goat brains and later contacted mad cow's disease. A very sad story. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105003,00.html
If you read the story. The young man got his 100% pay and the hospital of his choice.
posted on December 28, 2003 10:00:06 AM new
fenix, can you post a link to the place that offers the buffalo and boar?
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posted on December 28, 2003 10:13:39 AM new
profe, we raised them only for our own (2) freezers and those freezers were kept in one of the outbuildings. We also gave away a lot of it.
It really is a great expierence, if not a LOT of work, but I'm glad my kids got to see all of it, though they were young.
We'd do it all again, but we have to live in the suburbs, the 'country' here is way too far a commute (so says he ) but maybe when he retires (which won't be too long) I would love to have horses again, anc chickens!
See many 'beefalo' your way? I have not heard much these days about them, but when we had our little farm, there were a few people raising them.
I love deer (particularly the backstrap) I do not like elk. To me personally, elk tastes too gamey.
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posted on December 28, 2003 10:16:10 AM new
silver, I can sort of see the benefits of being a vegatarian. I would never, I love meat way too much
And, though some may think it controversial, the Atkins diet (meat fats etc) has been proven a real winner. Mike went on it, not to lose weight so much, as more of a 'energy booster' and it really does give you much more energy, when you cut out those carbs.
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posted on December 28, 2003 10:37:18 AM new
Profe - its Buffalogal.com.
From their info they raise their own herd, with no hormones, antibiotics, etc.
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posted on December 28, 2003 11:54:40 AM new
We've got at least three farmers who are raising buffalo herds in my neck of the woods. And we see more farms/ranches as we travel northwest towards Springfield, MO. Many of the locals have said they've been increasing in popularity for the last few years.
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Yes, Fred, I saw that young mans father being interviewed on Fox. Very sad...but glad to see the way they're handling the situation. At least doing all they can do since there is no cure.
I notice that on the buffalo site they deny using "fat-boosting" hormones. Are these the only growth hormones that might be used? According to this article there are several types of hormones legal to use in the U.S.
USDA inspected has a rather limited value now from my perspective.
GENEVA -- "The European Union permanently outlawed the import of US and Canadian beef from cattle receiving growth hormones, saying it now has scientific evidence to justify a ban in place since 1989."
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The United States disputed the EU's statement that new scientific evidence allowed it to ban beef.
"US beef is the safest beef in the world, and European consumers should have the right to enjoy it," the US Trade Representative's office said in an e-mail sent to reporters. The United States is retaliating with tariffs worth $116.8 million on imports from Europe ranging from Roquefort cheese to leather goods. Canada is imposing tariffs of C$11.3 million ($8.5 million). US farmers produce 95 percent of their beef using growth-promoting hormones. The US Food and Drug Administration says that hormone residues in food "have been demonstrated to be safe, as they are well below any level that would have a known effect in humans," according to the agency's website. Growth hormones given to cattle include estradiol, which humans naturally produce and is safe in beef when used as approved, the FDA said. Other hormones include synthetic compounds that have received "extensive toxicological testing in animals to determine safe levels" for human food.
The EU ban affects six hormones used as a "cocktail" by US beef producers, said Beate Gminder, a commission health spokeswoman.
The EU has concluded that one of the hormones -- estradiol 17 -- is a carcinogen, said Gminder. The bloc is banning the other five hormones -- testosterone, progesterone, trenbolone acetate, zeranol and melengestrol acetate -- while it seeks more scientific information about them, according to Gminder.
posted on December 28, 2003 04:27:11 PM new
fenix, I just noticed your nevermind edit after my comment. Maybe you misunderstood my question? I've never heard of "fat-boosting" hormones and I would just like to know if that term is synonymous with "growth" hormones.
posted on December 28, 2003 10:57:10 PM new
fenix, thanks for the link, I'll check it out...I ate boar a long time ago in Spain...it would be neat to try it again...out here we have javelina, not exactly the same as a wild boar, they're only distantly related to pigs...tasty though, if you know how to butcher them without nicking their scent gland...nasty
Near, I haven't heard anything about beefalo in a long
time...I remember when they were all the rage. I think the insemination difficulties were too great for them to be a viable large scale meat product, so the money people lost interest. Doesn't mean they couldn't be raised on a small scale though...I know a guy with a buffalo bull up north, hmmmmmmm.....
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posted on December 29, 2003 08:52:24 AM new
Helen - my impression, and maybe Prof will correct me, is that "fat boosting hormones" is more of an all inclusive generic term. They state that their product is 100% all natural.
Whatever it is, I'm buying it Buffalo steaks, Buffalo fajitas....YUM! I think the meat is honestly a little to fat free for a great hamburger but I'll find something to do with that meat.
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posted on December 29, 2003 02:48:05 PM new
fenix, I'm not sure about the fat boosting hormones. Hormones fed to cattle are generally of the kind that produces muscle, rather than fat. They are usually included in feedlot supplements given to the cows during their final feeding period before commercial slaughter. Cattle that come in to feedlots are from all over the place, and some are thin and others are fat. The supplements are an effort to even out the overall quality of the animal before slaughter. There's also an ear implant that's sometimes used when the animals are younger. I don't know anyone in the business in the southwest who uses them...too expensive.
Here's a website run by a rancher I know up north. He has a lot of good information about myths regarding beef. His site is rich in information, and it's remarkably even handed in dealing with meat and health.
Hormones and antibiotics don't really bother me that much, although I'd just as soon not eat them. What concerns me is the sheer number of human hands that handle grocery store meat (and produce for that matter) before it gets to the table. Too much room for contamination IMO.
http://www.maverickranch.com/beef-hormones-mdirf5.htm
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posted on December 29, 2003 02:50:36 PM new
btw, I just ordered a pound of everything wild boar from buffalogal.com....as my hero Homer would say, "sausages...m-m-m-m-m-m!"
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posted on December 29, 2003 03:13:55 PM new
LOL! Report back - they sounded good to me too. BTW - other than the stereotypical lime jelly thing . got any good recipes for lamb? - I have a lamb steak thawing right now and open to suggestions for something new.
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posted on December 29, 2003 07:27:17 PM new
I'm probably too late, but for next time....
chuleta del cordero estilo español
lamb cutlet spanish style
make a marinade out of XV olive oil, minced garlic, lemon juice, and mexican oregano if you can find it, otherwise regular will do...poke the meat all over with a fork before you let it soak in the marinade for as long as you can. grill it to your liking, brushing with the extra marinade.
sabrosita!....this is the same marinade we use in the spring to make Cabrito, which is new kid goat, spit roasted whole over mesquite. The meat falls right off the bone...you eat it with flour tortillas and lots of nice new beaujolais or plenty of Negra Modelo....
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posted on December 29, 2003 07:41:37 PM new
Too late to give this one a good marinading but luckily there were two in package and that sounds fantasic - many many thanks! Wednesdays dinner is set
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posted on December 29, 2003 10:11:59 PM new
I know someone from Australia that was living in England for a couple of years in the 90’s.
He tells me that at the time, there were reports over there (but not here) of infected or suspect cows that were marked for extermination; but were being exported to Au, USA, & Japan, somehow through involvement with the black market.
The existence of BSE, is a great example as reason why high levels of regulation are desirable in issues that involve people’s health/lives and general well being.
Of course those that believe in the advancement of ‘economic growth’ (for some) as a priority, may not agree.
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