posted on January 22, 2004 12:33:20 PM new
As if you tolerate gays, Twelve. What a laugh! You can't even tolerate people here, that have a different opinion, without calling them names.
The very few times you've actually added something intelligent to the topic, makes everyone think you're not feeling well... that's how obviously intolerant you come across. Maybe you don't realize this.
posted on January 22, 2004 01:15:29 PM new
The sacrament of marriage between a man and a woman only is based on religious beliefs. How does banning a gay marriage help society move forward? Why is everyone so hell-bent on judging lifestles, that are different from their own, as being something that needs laws and rules?
posted on January 22, 2004 01:31:26 PM newPssst... Krafty... it's the Conservative Curse; miserable living beneath the crushing weight of their own rigid moral codes, they seek to legislate misery for everyone else. Drives 'em plumb slap nuts to see gay people having a good time at a parade.
posted on January 22, 2004 04:36:22 PM new
Yeah, Neroter, if only they'd leave it at fried brains I'd be happy. Trouble is, these people think their way is the only way, and they form "Christian" bunds to ram their narrow views down everyone else's throats.
It is to be hoped that many of them will succumb to apoplexy when gays -- who pay taxes just like everybody else, yet do not enjoy the same protections/opportunities as their straight brethren -- are allowed into the military and have their relationships recognized by the state.
Frankly, I can't understand why so many professed Christians take such a pedantic approach to human affairs, given that they're all bound for heaven for all eternity...
posted on January 22, 2004 07:38:00 PM new
If you decide you are going to pursue a process of using social standards or religion to decide who you will hire and treat well instead of who does the best job it will solve itself over time.
posted on January 22, 2004 08:22:53 PM newDoes not the bible state "If one man knows another man, he shall be put to death". (And "knowing" in the biblical sense does not mean shaking hands).
The bible, the bible, the bible. Is that the old testament, or the new? How about finding a citation? Here are some other laws from the bible. I would presume that anyone who would cite the bible as a reason for opposing the equal civil rights of gay people would also be a proponent of these:
From the book of Leviticus:
a child must be killed if he/she curses their parent (Leviticus 20:9)
all persons guilty of adultery are to be killed (20:10)
the daughter of a priest who engages in prostitution is to be burned alive until dead (21:9)
the bride of a priest must be a virgin (21:13)
ritual killing of animals is required for religious ceremonies, using cattle, sheep and goats (22:19)
a person who takes the Lord's name in vain is to be killed (24:16)
heterosexual intercourse when a woman has her period is a sin (Leviticus 18:19),
harvesting the corners of a field is prohibited (19:9),
eating fruit from a young tree is a sin. (19:23),
cross-breeding livestock is a sin(19:19),
sowing a field with mixed seed is not permitted (19:19),
shaving or getting a hair cut is sinful (19:27),
tattoos are anathema to God (19:28),
even a mildly disabled person may not become a priest (21:18),
charging of interest on a loan is prohibited(25:37),
collecting firewood on Saturday to prevent your family from freezing is not permitted.
wearing of clothes made from a blend of textile materials, so forget cotton-poly blends
In addition, both the old and new testaments support slavery, including the sexual slavery of women. The use of female slaves as sex toys and breeding machines was perfectly OK according to Second Samuel 5:13, Judges 19-21, and Numbers 31:17-20 .
Often on this board, we are told "you can't have it both ways, it's either one thing or it's another"...seems to me that if you use the bible as your justification for homosexuals being discriminated against, you'd better be willing to start cutting goat's throats before church, drown your kids when they cuss at you, and burn the preacher's slutty daughter at the stake...
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posted on January 23, 2004 04:47:05 AM new
However there profe... civil laws have made God's word hard to follow in all circumstances... so we must walk the line with man's laws and celebrate when man's laws coincide with the moral fiber this society should be embracing.
You can't discriminate against something that doesn't nor should ever have rights.
posted on January 23, 2004 07:55:33 AM new
Tweleve, I am reminded of a most prophetic thing Jesus said: "Render unto Ceasar, what is Ceasar's". Even he, with that statement submitted there is seperation of Government and God and in doing so, he did never comdemned the operation of any such government outside of his religious purpose. In his statement it is the simplist of facts the government is operating as need be so follow its rules because you live here.
Personally, I dont really care about people being gay and as much as I care about who people are, and what their character is. I could really hate some gay people and blame it all on their being gay. But I could really hate some straight people and never blame it on they're being straight. So wtf is that??? As they say, "they're here, they're queer, get used to it."
posted on January 23, 2004 08:39:49 AM new
"get used to it"; hoiw often I see liberals spout these very words, but when it is against their ideals they seem to forget them...
How about taking some of your own words and "get used to it" because the will of the people do not support your liberal ideals.
posted on January 23, 2004 01:46:29 PM new
Fortunately, Twelvepole, the "will of the people" hasn't (unanimously) swung so far right that your simplistic views have become universal laws requiring me to "get used to them".
posted on January 23, 2004 09:14:04 PM new...laws prevent me from doing what should be done,..
Ay, que varon, que hombre muy macho twelve...
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posted on January 23, 2004 09:57:43 PM new
I'm still wondering why you seem obsessed with gay issues, Twelve. Have you been hit on by gay men? Sometimes there's a reason.
posted on January 24, 2004 05:44:35 AM new
Keep wondering there Kraft... unlike you I don't fall for any idiotic cause that comes across in the news.
I do not like Gays period... It is a deviant behavior that should not be tolerated in any shape or form...
I also don't like people who do animals, their own children (family) or with the dead... but at least they have the decency not to be so open about it.
All deviants and should not be tolerated.
What's the matter kraft, you allow this deviant behavior in the sh*t hole to the north... jealous because we have some moral values left here in the US?
posted on January 24, 2004 07:58:52 AM new
Hi, I'm new to this board, but have been lurking for awhile.
This thread was too much to pass up and not say something.
I have found that usually those that talk the loudest, argue the most against a subject, such as gay people, usually have either something to hide or have homosexual feelings they have been repressing.
Gay are no more deviant then straight people. And Twelve, if you are so sure gays are deviant, how do you know? Personal experience?
All people deserve the same rights under the law. It's that simple.
posted on January 24, 2004 11:49:46 AM new
OK. Let's say you're right, Twelve, and Canada's a sh*thole run by socialists that are jealous of the the U.S.... how does that relate to your fear of gays? You're the one that keeps bringing up the issue and instead of talking about the issue, all you can do is say how deviant gays are. Why bother to start a topic about gays if you're not willing to discuss the topic? My question was an honest one.
posted on January 24, 2004 12:08:22 PM new
Really, Krafty, it's not like you to attempt to delude people... mlb618 needs to know that this place is actually referred to as the sh*t hole to the south
posted on January 24, 2004 12:10:50 PM new
Kraft, the person we're questioning here wants to go overseas and bring back an Asian girl and use her for his personal work slave and sex slave. He said she wouldn't be allowed to be near other males but he'd screw her girlfriends. And he talks about deviant behaviour?
posted on January 24, 2004 12:51:31 PM new
Pat, Twelve would think you mean Mexico.
LoL Kiara! Yes, he did say it would be OK for him to screw his girlfriend's girlfriends... I forgot about that! I wish I knew how to find old threads, like some people here (hint, hint). Besides the tons of Bushism literature I've read, Twelve's posts gave me some of the best belly laughs I've EVER had.
