posted on February 13, 2004 12:51:46 AM new
Pat I choose to be heterosexual when I realized I liked boys. I suppose it was when kissing a boy was pleasurable and not yuckie.
okay, I'll go read it. Never one to turn off any enlightenment.
Pole, you need to stop writing queers. It is an extremely derogatory term coming from you and it mars any credibility you might lend to the debate about this.
[ edited by neroter12 on Feb 13, 2004 12:57 AM ]
posted on February 13, 2004 12:57:28 AM new
Oh, that's beautiful. The most obvious candidate here for mucho mental help is recommending it for others.
Are you familiar with the [established] theory of projection, Uberpole? Or the even more advanced [but equally established] one that says each man becomes what he resists?
You're in for a world of hurt, man...
posted on February 13, 2004 01:00:25 AM new
LAW OF THE LAND
60% of polled Americans:
No homosexual marriage
Latest survey shows residents rejecting same-sex matrimony by 2-to-1 margin
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Posted: February 9, 2004
5:00 p.m. Eastern
A new poll shows a majority of Americans do not want state laws that would make same-sex marriage legal.
The survey was taken after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court said last Wednesday in an advisory opinion same-sex couples are entitled to marriage and not an alternative, such as Vermont-style civil unions. Only full and equal marriage rights will fulfill its November ruling, four of the seven judges said, paving the way for the nation's first "gay" weddings in mid-May.
The high court decided Nov. 18 homosexual couples are legally entitled to wed under the state constitution. However, the 4-3 November ruling stopped short of declaring homosexual couples should be granted the license, ordering the state legislature to come up with a solution within 180 days. Last week's opinion was a response to a request by the state Senate about whether civil unions, which accord many of the rights and privileges of marriage, would be sufficient.
According to the new poll, Americans are against any law legalizing same-sex marriage by a 2-1 margin, 60 percent to 31 percent.
The survey by the National Annenberg Election Survey showed less support, however, for a federal constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriages.
The poll indicated 49 percent are opposed to such an amendment and 42 percent are in favor.
In their advisory opinion, the four justices who ruled in favor of same-sex marriage wrote: "The history of our nation has demonstrated that separate is seldom, if ever, equal. The bill that would allow for civil unions, but falls short of marriage, makes for "unconstitutional, inferior, and discriminatory status for same-sex couples."
With the ruling, the Massachusetts legislature is now set to consider an amendment legally defining marriage as between one man and one woman.
However, a constitutional amendment could not be brought before a vote of the people until 2006.
Last week, Ohio became the 38th state to pass a law that defines marriage as only between a man and a woman.
"We've heard from the court, but not from the people," Gov. Mitt Romney said in a statement last week. "The people of Massachusetts should not be excluded from a decision as fundamental to our society as the definition of marriage."
Some state Republican chairmen who met at the Republican National Committee in Washington one week ago said they want the White House and the Bush re-election campaign to put more emphasis on the president's opposition to same-sex marriage.
"It's clearly important to our base, along with the president's tax cuts that helped the economy recover nationally," Virginia state Chairman Kate O. Griffin told the Washington Times.
President Bush's spokesman, Scott McClellan, said today the White House is reviewing the issue but indicated an amendment might be necessary.
"If activist judges continue to try to redefine marriage, without regard to the voice of the people, then the only alternative will be a constitutional process," he said.
Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic front-runner for president, said last week he is opposed to same-sex marriage.
"I believe and have fought for the principle that we should protect the fundamental rights of gay and lesbian couples – from inheritance to health benefits," he said. "I believe the right answer is civil unions. I oppose gay marriage and disagree with the Massachusetts court's decision."
Last month, a Zogby International poll showed a majority of Massachusetts residents oppose the high court's November decision.
The survey also indicated most respondents favor a constitutional amendment to protect matrimony as the union of one man and one woman.
According to the Zogby poll, 69 percent of respondents wanted to vote on an amendment to keep Massachusetts a traditional marriage state. Also, 52 percent vs. 42 percent agreed only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal and binding in America.
Additionally, more than two-thirds, or 69 percent, believed it is better for children to be raised in a household with a married mother and father.
"It seems the more people consider the long-term impact of homosexual marriage on the family and society, the more they oppose homosexual marriage," said Ron Crews, spokesman for the Coalition for Marriage, a non-partisan state and nationwide alliance of supporters of traditional marriage.
Once the decent people of MA get that admendment to their constitution in 2006 and the Federal Admendment passes.... that will be a step in the right direction.
posted on February 13, 2004 01:01:35 AM newWhich makes me ask; why other mammals and/or animals do not engage in this?
They do. While Bonobos (pygmy chimpanzees) are the most noted animals to engage in homosexuality, other species have been observed doing so as well. For instance:
posted on February 13, 2004 01:02:17 AM new
Well, that's great, Neroter. You realized at some point that you liked boys. Can you possibly get your mind to grasp that the exact same thing happened to some girl when she kissed another girl, and that it felt "right" to her -- just as "right" as it felt to you when you kissed that boy -- and that she knew then that she 'liked' girls?
posted on February 13, 2004 01:09:35 AM new
Darn it, Bunnicula! The link from Gravid is all about homosexual/lesbian behavior in the animal kingdom. Go read it!
That's right, Manlypole, you go right on scrambling to bolster your hatred and fear with ding-dong statistics you snag off the oh-so-reliable Internet. You're not fooling anyone -- not even yourself -- anymore. You're headed for a crisis of the first water...
posted on February 13, 2004 01:14:12 AM new Darn it, Bunnicula! The link from Gravid is all about homosexual/lesbian behavior in the animal kingdom. Go read it!
I did, actually. But that is no reason not to post a link of my own...
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Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on February 13, 2004 01:27:06 AM new
Twelve, if you believe what you preach here perhaps you should be going out there with all your manly powers and work your charm on all the lesbians and show them the right path.
posted on February 13, 2004 01:34:03 AM new
Okay, KC, after pedophiles come serial killers and rapists. I lump 'em together cuz the one usually does the other and the other is bad enough!
posted on February 13, 2004 01:39:43 AM new
Kerry Backed 'Gay' Marriage
Democratic presidential front-runner Sen. John Kerry has declared opposition to same-sex marriage, but two years ago he signed a letter issued by homosexual Rep. Barney Frank urging Massachusetts state lawmakers to drop an amendment limiting nuptials to a man and a woman.
More reason not to vote for Kerry... can't stay on one side or the other...
posted on February 13, 2004 01:52:10 AM new
No haggling, KC! Let's just move on to the next level, which would include kids who kill their parents and spouses who kill their partners and parents who kill their kids. This 'modern age' has delivered so many variations on the theme [familycide] that my tiny head can't accord each version its own category...
Rabidpole, you've been repeatedly urged to seek help outside this chatboard. Must we produce the canvas jacket?
posted on February 13, 2004 03:29:52 AM new
I'll repeat my view on the subject: homosexuality is a sexual identity disorder. I believe that it's the same type of mental illness that causes sexual attraction to babies/children/family members/animals/etc.
I don't hate gays but I do think they are sick. My attitude used to be "Live and let live" and Don't Ask Don't Tell: I won't ask you if you're gay and you don't tell me that you're gay. Basically: KEEP YOUR GAYNESS TO YOURSELF.
But gays and liberals are trying to turn homosexuality mainstream and I resent it. And now I strongly oppose ANY type of gay rights.
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It CAN be done. -Ronald Reagan
[ edited by ebayauctionguy on Feb 13, 2004 03:31 AM ]
posted on February 13, 2004 03:42:07 AM new
Yes, Pat, I can grasp that. And I sincerely do not judge anyone for their preference. However, I am still not convinced it is genetic. That logic just does not jibe with my view and knowledge of the universal order of things. If someone likes to be gay it really doesnt bother me, or affect my world, but I dont believe people are *born* to life partner with same sexes. Sorry, I just dont.
And as far as marriage goes, I think gay couples can have a civil contract for the legalities necessary to their partnership, property, death benefits, etc., but I also think there is some overstepping going on here with the Tradition of marriage by calling it that.
I can understand how heterosexuals find that imposing and threatening to what has always been established. Traditionally and biologically, we are all born of a mother and father. So why can't gay people grasp that the unconscious concept that we are moving away from that foundation rocks the very core of truth that most straight people uphold? To me, it is almost a tribal instinct to rebuke that.
Anyway it seems to me, some gay activists are pounding the gavel because they dont want their truth left unrecognized; but then fail to grasp heterosexual's truth as to what the concept of marriage is about to hetrosexuals.
posted on February 13, 2004 03:50:02 AM new
Well, ding ding ding, EAG, with this remark:
"I believe that it's the same type of mental illness ... " you've just identified yourself as yet another cretin on this board who hasn't read a book (and I don't mean Harry Potter) in over thirty years.
What kind of prize shall we award you? Dunce cap?? Pudding Pop?? How about a Library Card!!
posted on February 13, 2004 03:56:48 AM new
Neroter, A A A for effort, and, actually, I'm beginning to see from your post some core fundie het issues I've never understood before. Gotta thank you for that, but still gotta swat ya for believing that you have the right to vote on how another human being lives. It's nothing personal, heh...
posted on February 13, 2004 05:17:11 AM new
EAG, you know that is how it was for me to but now I guess it has turned to hate...
Paws is right it shouldn't be hate that is not right either, however it is like watching a loved one die, you can't seem to stop it and that frustrates the hell out of you.
Especially when I firmly believe queers choose to be that way or they have a mental disorder (like you said) that they refuse to have taken care of...
We help all kinds on menatally ill, why can't we help the queers? Because like some of the child molesters they are... they really like it... ok... just don't ask me to tolerate it or accept it.
They need help mentally, not to be allowed "rights".
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
http://www.nogaymarriage.com/
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