Helenjw
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posted on February 16, 2004 05:49:01 PM new
The only thing I saw at the picnic was a piss ant.
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Linda_K
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posted on February 16, 2004 05:51:09 PM new
are pushing a proposal that would allow the state to disregard gay unions performed elsewhere.
I'm going to have to go re-read the Marriage Protection Act, because I thought that was already established in that bill that clinton signed.
Re-elect President Bush!!
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plsmith
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posted on February 16, 2004 05:59:28 PM new
"The only thing I saw at the picnic was a piss ant."
Odd. Twelvepole cabled his regrets that he was unable to attend...
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Helenjw
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posted on February 16, 2004 06:04:54 PM new
That's easily explained. If twelvepole had attended I would have seen two piss ants.
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neroter12
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posted on February 16, 2004 06:19:56 PM new
Linda, thanks for the compliment but I am probably just a humanitarian at heart; or maybe just stupid enough to repeat what has been conveyed to me by those I've known, and try to examine my own feelings on it in a public forum. I dont really have any solution. As pointed out, if it went to a vote, gays would lose simply because they are a minority. I dont hold the view that majority of views are aways right or that our representatives really represent us anymore.
Pat, my brother used to have a saying, "What it is, is what it is."
That always infuriated everyone. What does that mean, I would say? That doesnt mean anything!!!
But now I think it means if you want to take something that "is" and make it what it isnt, than that what is becomes a was and no longer an is. ?am I making sense? I am probably not articulating that right and you probably know more about that concept than me with your experience with guru's and spirituality.
I am sympathic to gay rights. If anyone hasnt noticed they pay taxes, they vote, they work, they buy, they f/u in society AND make contributions to society just like everybody else, they are dead wrong. I know this. I just dont think straights are ready willing and able to give up that "is" for: "used to be marriage was between a man and a woman". Its too confusing to straight people, Pat.
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plsmith
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posted on February 16, 2004 06:37:08 PM new
"But now I think it means if you want to take something that "is" and make it what it isnt, than that what is becomes a was and no longer an is. ?am I making sense? "
You sound like Arnold Horshack, Neroter 
Remember "Welcome Back, Kotter" ?
Anyway, I do see your point (and most others here). I know it's an emotional argument on both extremities of the issue and that there are a huge hunk of people in the middle on both sides who don't really give a post-toastie one way or the other.
Since I'm not married (and never have been and never will be) I, personally, couldn't care less how marriage is defined, but when it became apparent that having the right to marry was a big deal for some gay people, it seemed (and still does) perfectly reasonable to me so I support it.
Why should gay people miss out on the realities of marriage? As Bill Maher quipped on his show last Friday, "Let their sex lives go to hell, too!" 
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neroter12
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posted on February 16, 2004 06:57:25 PM new
LOL on the Arnold horseshack!!! hahaha!!
Gawd! If I do sound like that I am now sulking away in embarassment. (I love Bill Mawr's comical parodies, btw!)
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plsmith
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posted on February 16, 2004 08:11:20 PM new
[ edited by plsmith on Feb 16, 2004 08:11 PM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on February 17, 2004 04:53:34 AM new
Linda,
DOMA does do that, but with the queers getting out of hand in that region, I think they just want some "insurance" that that disease doesn't cross over into their state.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
http://www.nogaymarriage.com/
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logansdad
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posted on February 17, 2004 12:54:51 PM new
Twelve:
I think they just want some "insurance" that that disease doesn't cross over into their state.
Since when did you become a doctor, twelve? I thought you needed to go to school to get a medical license. In case you haven't read the journals lately, homosexuality is not a disease and not a mental condition.
Perhaps you should take out some insurance so you don't get hurt the next time you go into gay bars trying to convert people to your holier ways. How many toasters have you given away to your converts?
Marriage is a Human Right not a Heterosexual Privledge
Bigotry and hate will not be tolerated.
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plsmith
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posted on February 17, 2004 01:02:59 PM new
Now, now, Logan; everyone knows if Elmo can play doctor, Twelveholes can too...
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logansdad
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posted on February 17, 2004 08:08:19 PM new
Better yet plsmith,
Let's have the fab five give Twelve a make over.
http://www.thequeereye.com/Be_on_the_Show/
Marriage is a Human Right not a Heterosexual Privledge
Bigotry and hate will not be tolerated.
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kraftdinner
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posted on February 17, 2004 09:12:22 PM new
They don't do trailers, Logansdad.
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plsmith
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posted on February 17, 2004 09:13:43 PM new
LOL!
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kraftdinner
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posted on February 17, 2004 09:33:23 PM new
What a succesful thread! 8 pages of posts and 1 person agreed to sign the petition.
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plsmith
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posted on February 17, 2004 09:35:58 PM new
Yeah, but he was probably disqualified when he couldn't spell his name...
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on February 18, 2004 01:08:45 AM new
A question for liberals: What if a schizophrenic with multiple personalities decides he wants to marry one of his personalities?
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on February 18, 2004 01:11:11 AM new
You know, skylite really seems to like himself. I believe skylite should have the right to marry himself.
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Twelvepole
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posted on February 18, 2004 03:15:41 AM new
Why ask EAG? They don't care.... queer priests can still molest young boys, hell queers have a right to molest anyone, coming from their mouths...
It probably grates on their ignorance that some of the good people that do not support queer marriage are not religious... they just don't want to see the tradition of marriage bastardized by same sex couples...
Those shams in SF will soon come to end... We will soon have an amendment putting a stop to all this BS and then we can move on to more important things...
I will have to give the queers credit though... they picked a good time to try their BS, but I think they must now realize they are not wanted or accepted... after all 70% of the US agrees, that doesn't happen very often.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
http://www.nogaymarriage.com/
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gravid
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posted on February 18, 2004 04:36:41 AM new
In all this long discussion nobody has pointed out that the big difference between gays and colored or women is you can't tell who is gay by looking at them. That makes a huge difference since it introduces an element of fear. Why the fellow next to you in the locker room could be one of THEM. Did he let his eyes linger a little to long on your hairy butt?
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logansdad
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posted on February 18, 2004 06:37:39 AM new
Gravid,
I brought that point with twelve earlier in the thread, I asked him "what if his doctor was gay?" Wouldn't that be a pleasant thought for him to ponder for a while, especially the next time he goes for a physical.
Marriage is a Human Right not a Heterosexual Privledge
Bigotry and hate will not be tolerated.
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logansdad
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posted on February 18, 2004 06:40:06 AM new
Twelve,
You still don't get it.
Child molesting is illgeal no matter who does it. Homosexuality is not against the law except perhaps in your own "Leave it to Beaver World".
Marriage is a Human Right not a Heterosexual Privledge
Bigotry and hate will not be tolerated.
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logansdad
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posted on February 18, 2004 02:25:21 PM new
Another mayor supports gay marriages:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040218eddaley,1,6654693.story?coll=chi-news-hed
It was interesting to read what he contributes to the "moral decay of society".
Marriage is a Human Right not a Heterosexual Privledge
Bigotry and hate will not be tolerated.
[ edited by logansdad on Feb 18, 2004 02:26 PM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on February 19, 2004 03:14:48 AM new
A father watched his daughter playing in the garden. He smiled as he
>reflected on how sweet and innocent his little girl was. Suddenly she
>just stopped and stared at the ground. He went over to her and noticed
>she was looking at two spiders mating.
>
>"Daddy, what are those two spiders doing?" she asked. "They're
mating,"
>her father replied. "What do you call the spider on top, Daddy?" she
>asked. "That's a Daddy Longlegs," her father answered. "So, the other
>one is Mommy Longlegs?" the little girl asked. "No," her father
>replied. "Both of them are Daddy Longlegs."
>
>The little girl thought for a moment, then she stomped them flat and
said
>"Well, it might be okay in California, Vermont, and New York, but
we're
>not having any of that #*!@ in Michigan."
LOL
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
http://www.nogaymarriage.com/
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logansdad
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posted on February 19, 2004 06:39:09 AM new
Oh great now Twleve is an expert in the mating rituals of the animal kingdom.
Why not just make him the next president, this world would be so far better off to have someone as wise as him?
Marriage is a Human Right not a Heterosexual Privledge
Bigotry and hate will not be tolerated.
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Twelvepole
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posted on February 23, 2004 05:19:47 PM new
Lets get this back to the top!
Over a million signatures and growing... keep'em coming
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
http://www.nogaymarriage.com/
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