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 NearTheSea
 
posted on February 28, 2004 11:23:24 AM new
paws4god said it much better than I did

Christianity is NOT a religion. So true.



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"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."- Carl Sagan
 
 paws4God
 
posted on February 28, 2004 12:20:34 PM new
Reamond----

Quit blaming God for what men do. As I said we have a free will and we certainly use it. God doesn't charge for salvation. God doesn't abuse children. God is pure and holy. He is not capable of sin that is why He can't look upon us when we are sinners. Jesus paid the price for us. God is just and can't turn a blind eye to our transgressions. How would you like it if a monster savagly raped and killed your mother, sister or some other loved one then the judge turned them loose. The judge thought the guy just had a bad day so winked and turned him loose. God is just and has to have payment.

The people who do evil and use God's name to hide will pay someday unless they ask forgiveness and turn from their ways. God will deal with them in His time. Sin is sin though and it all cost the same price from Jesus. People tend to say one sin is worse than the other but they are all sin. God sees no difference because they all separate us from Him. But don't blame God for what people do that is just plain mindless.

As for God changing, He doesn't! Some people try to change what He said but even God says " I am the same yesterday, today and forever". The truth NEVER changes! Yes, some weird "religious" people come along and distort the Truth for their own gain but again, don't blame God for people's evil. You can argue until you last breath on that one but it won't change the truth. People use God's word for their own gain but don't look to them. Look to God for truth and quite blaming Him for what stupid, greedy, evil people do.

Look to God for truth and read His word, that is where you will find the TRUTH, not in deeds of lost souls.

 
 profe51
 
posted on February 28, 2004 12:22:15 PM new
Religion is man's way of coming to terms with that which is unknowable. It is the means with which we come in contact with the infinite. I believe, if a particular system of spiritual belief works for an individual or group, then it is serving it's intended purpose well. What I cannot accept from born-again christians is this "I used to be just like you" condescension....sorry, you didn't, not ever, used to be just like like me. Your assumption of that is the height of arrogance. Your faith works for you, more power to you. Leave others well enough alone. I don't care to believe in a creator so small minded and human-like that he would only be able to give human beings a single way to approach him.
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 paws4God
 
posted on February 28, 2004 12:41:52 PM new
profe51----

What I meant by "I used to be like you" you have totally taken out of context. I haven't been like you in any way other than separated from God by my sin.

I meant I was an unbeliever. I didn't know or believe in Jesus.

Yes, your "religion" may serve the purpose of making you feel better whatever your "religion" is. However, it won't restore a personal relationship between you and God of the universe. You can't earn anything....how could you. I'm sure you are a good person and have done a lot of good things in your life. So where has your good gotten you? Do you have a peace and joy that NOTHING can take away? Isn't there something deep inside you that knows something is missing? You know there has to be more to this life than mortgages, kids and death.

Something you believe doesn't prove itself just because you believe it. Becoming a Christian will prove itself. Again all I can say is honestly ask God to prove Himself and He will.....IF you are honestly asking and looking. God doesn't push Himself on anyone. Have you ever seen the famous picture of Jesus standing at the door knocking? The door has a very small window? Look at this picture again. The artist painted it just as Jesus said it is, you have to ask Him. There is NO door knob on Jesus' side. He doesn't push Himself on anyone, they have to open the door from their side to let Him in.

 
 Linda_K
 
posted on February 28, 2004 12:45:05 PM new
a single way to approach him.
We are in agreement on that part of what you said.

We will never really know which 'version' of religion is the 'correct' one.


Reamond mentioned above how similar the different religions are to one another. My position is that while each takes it's own road...they still all have the same basic foundation, a belief in a God, Higher Power, Allah, etc. etc. One strong powerful basis of agreement.




Re-elect President Bush!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Feb 28, 2004 12:50 PM ]
 
 paws4God
 
posted on February 28, 2004 01:00:52 PM new
Linda-K ----

One of the main differences is: All those guys were just men and are still in their graves. Jesus is alive and the tomb is empty!

Mohammed taught hate, especially to anyone who believed in Jesus. Christians are to be hated and killed according to Mohammed. Jesus taught to love everyone and don't kill anyone. Jesus said the way is narrow and not many will find it. Broad is the way that leads to destruction. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. No man (woman) can come to God except through Him. Again the way is narrow but Jesus said it is. Jesus paid the price...did anyone of the other so called good men? You can't argue that Jesus was a good man. He was either a lunatic or who He said He was. A man who was simply good would NOT have gone through what he went through. A lunatic might have. He was the Son of God and that is what makes Christianty the truth. Would hundreds of men ( and some women) die a martyrs death for the cause just for a good man?

 
 Helenjw
 
posted on February 28, 2004 01:47:38 PM new

Couple of good articles...

Divine Transmissions

The Despoiling of America

The second article is the documented story of how a political religious movement called Dominionism gained control of the Republican Party, then took over Congress, then took over the White House, and now is sealing the conversion of America to a theocracy by taking over the American Judiciary. It’s the story of why and how "the wrath of God Almighty" will be unleashed against the middle class, against the poor, and against the elderly and sick of this nation by George W. Bush and his army of Republican Dominionist "rulers."

Ubb ed.

[ edited by Helenjw on Feb 29, 2004 10:49 AM ]
 
 paws4God
 
posted on February 28, 2004 01:54:53 PM new
Helenjw----

Look around. Do you really think there is a chance of a Christian group taking over? Yes, God (not Bush--the REAL God)is still on the throne but the Republicians taking over through that is way way left liberalism propaganda.

Besides we were talking about The Passion not politics.

 
 Helenjw
 
posted on February 28, 2004 02:00:32 PM new

Sorry that you misunderstood, Paws4God.

My comment was not addressed to you or your comment.

Helen

 
 Linda_K
 
posted on February 28, 2004 02:06:52 PM new
paws4God - One of the main differences is..

I understand what you're saying and I share a large part of your beliefs...the 'road/path' you have chosen. It's just that I accept others haven't chosen the same road I have and that that's okay.


edited to add: To me, that's the **free will** we were given.


Re-elect President Bush!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Feb 28, 2004 02:31 PM ]
 
 profe51
 
posted on February 28, 2004 03:29:52 PM new
What I meant by "I used to be like you" you have totally taken out of context. I haven't been like you in any way other than separated from God by my sin.

Clearly, I took nothing out of context, if you're saying I am separated from god by my sin. This is exactly the kind of condescension I am talking about. You're saved, poor me, I'm not. You have decided that you are part of an elect group of individuals who have discovered the only way to what you believe is "salvation".

Yes, your "religion" may serve the purpose of making you feel better whatever your "religion" is. However, it won't restore a personal relationship between you and God of the universe.

What pompous arrogance. You know nothing of my religion. Perhaps for you, nothing else will work. That's fine. But why can't you keep it to yourself?

I'm sure you are a good person and have done a lot of good things in your life.

Which in your view counts for nothing, unless done in Jesus' name. How pitifully sad.

Do you have a peace and joy that NOTHING can take away?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. It is the joy of my family, my culture, my language, and my 300 year old roots in this land I take care of.

Isn't there something deep inside you that knows something is missing?

Nope. I am a happy man. Pleased with myself, my family, my home. I am content.

You know there has to be more to this life than mortgages, kids and death.

I don't have a mortgage, am not the least bit afraid to die, and believe that raising children is the creator's highest calling for an adult. As far as there being more, you're absolutely right. There is. There is the wonder of god's creation all around me. There are sunrises and sunsets and the opening of spring flowers. There is the wonderful mystery of the birth of a lamb and the scream of a mountain lion in the middle of the night. There are warm tortillas fresh off the comal, and a good cigar on the porch in the afternoon. There is the look in the eyes of a kid who finally "gets" how to do his math. I'm in heaven, right here on earth.

There is NO door knob on Jesus' side. He doesn't push Himself on anyone...

So why have those of you who are "saved" taken it upon yourselves to do what Jesus doesn't? Sounds pretty blasphemous to me.



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 paws4God
 
posted on February 28, 2004 04:26:48 PM new
I'm not pushing my beliefs on anyone. Just stating the facts. If no one tells them how will they know.

Why am I blasphemous by stating my beliefs and you aren't? Isn't that a double standard. You tell me to keep my beliefs to myself yet it is ok for non-Christians to scream theirs to the world. This whole thread was started to ask opinions on a Christian story told through a movie. I have stated my beliefs and how they differ from others, yet I'm put down for it. You are the one who is being condescending. When I state my beliefs I always do it in a tone of love and concern which is hard to hear in typed words. Nonetheless I don't do it to put anyone down. I just know that I know that Jesus IS the TRUTH and unfortunately some will learn too late. I don't want anyone to spend eternity apart from God. Yes, I know you say who says I'll be apart from God and who are you to make that judgement. Someday we will all know that one thing for sure won't we.


The people who yell tolerance the loudest are the ones who put down Christianty the hardest.

 
 profe51
 
posted on February 28, 2004 04:51:38 PM new
I'm endlessly tolerant of your personal faith paws. I applaud you in it's depth, and I would defend your right to hold it in a heartbeat. What I am intolerant of , is the attitude of anyone who thinks they know more about how I should live my life, and what I should believe in than I do. Of that, I am bigoted, prejudiced, and endlessly intolerant. Anytime someone decides to say they know "facts" about god or spirituality, "facts" that they presume to want to impart to those who don't "know", they can count on me for an argument if I'm in earshot.
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 paws4God
 
posted on February 28, 2004 05:46:09 PM new
Prof-----

First. Above I used kids as an example of more in life. BAD example! Kids ARE the greatest gift in life. Just trying to think of mundane things which they are anything but.



Anyway. I can understand where you are coming from believe it or not. In this country you still have the right to your beliefs. Actually you can believe whatever you want regardless of what the government says. But more to the point. Here is another very simplistic example and I'll leave you alone. After all God does tend to keep it simple.

Say you have terminal cancer. I am a dr. with a complete cure for your cancer. You say no thank you I want to try alternatives, after all there has to be more than one way to be cured. Why would you turn down a totally free gift that will cure you. I know you say you don't need curing and I understand that also.

As I said earlier, we could argue until we take our last breath and not change one molecule in the other's thinking. That's life. All I know is I want to tell as many people as possible about the wonderful gift I received. I'm not special in any way, shape or form, God offers it to everyone, but how can they know unless someone tells them? So now I've told ya and it's yours to do with what you choose.

 
 austbounty
 
posted on February 28, 2004 06:24:58 PM new
Reamond said
""What do you think Jesus would say if he could he gaze upon the multi-million dollar churches with exercise rooms, multi-media equipment, $100,000 stained glass windows, and the vast majority of the world starving?""

Yes….Too damn right!!!!!

I’d bet 10 tiffany windows that he’d smash them all!!

Paws4God “Mohammed taught hate”
Do you think Jesus would only throw over ‘gross’ displays of economics if they were on Jewish stalls?
Is there a little difference when valuers and dealers and art galleries and real estate agents and developers march in and out of churches.. talkin’ turkey’???

‘Our’ bible (interpretation as currently amended) has plenty of instructions to ‘smite’ or haven’t you read it??.
And one of ‘our’ most golden commandments is to not bare false witness.

When you are without sin/prejudices & an immaculately learned scholar of Bible and Koran I shall follow you blindly.

[ edited by austbounty on Feb 28, 2004 06:25 PM ]
 
 Helenjw
 
posted on February 28, 2004 07:35:40 PM new


It would be nice to see biblical proselytizers with some humility, and the peace, love and forgiveness that was characteristic of Jesus.. Instead, I invariably see such people as intolerant of others life style, inconsiderate with a condescending and selfishly exclusive attitude. They are generally believers in nationalism, war, capital punishment and against welfare programs to help the poor. Maybe such people need to stop and think, "What would Jesus do for others?" rather than maintain a selfish focus on what Jesus may have done for them as the crucifixion story prophesies.

Helen


 
 Neroter12
 
posted on February 28, 2004 07:39:31 PM new
Helen, those look like some interesting reading articles. I will read them when I get some more time and get back to you with my opinion. ha.

btw, you must read alot!

 
 Helenjw
 
posted on February 28, 2004 07:47:18 PM new
Hi, Neroter

I'm spelling better today.


Helen

 
 Fenix03
 
posted on February 29, 2004 12:03:15 AM new
::Say you have terminal cancer. I am a dr. with a complete cure for your cancer. You say no thank you I want to try alternatives, after all there has to be more than one way to be cured. Why would you turn down a totally free gift that will cure you.::

Because if it is not what you are seeking and does not fulfill your needs it is false and hypocriticial. Is that how religion is being packaged these days? Take it as a means to an end? Is that really how you want to market your god. Sure you may not be interested in it but claim it as yours anyway because the payoff is good? Here's what zealots don't get. You cannot sell religion to people. You cannot market it. You cannot pitch God.

A religion lives or dies on it's own merits and the more you try to sell it the less takers you get. It is there for people to find when they seek it.

As someone who has been the recipient of more pitches than any human should ever have to endure I will tell you simply... They not only don't work but they are counterproductive. The raptured bliss of the salesperson is quite frankly, scary.

Paws, enjoy your religion, enjoy the comfort that you have found in it but if you truly want to do justice to your beliefs, keep your personal beliefs personal. If someone wants or needs god in their life they will seek it for themselves.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
[ edited by Fenix03 on Feb 29, 2004 12:11 AM ]
 
 Neroter12
 
posted on February 29, 2004 05:46:13 AM new
ha-ha Helen. I didnt know what to make of those other threads btwn you and linda and my name sandwiched in there. But figured best to just let it ride whatever it was. lol.

Going to read those articles now.
bbl

 
 Reamond
 
posted on February 29, 2004 10:03:23 AM new
Quit blaming God for what men do. As I said we have a free will and we certainly use it.

If you believe in free will then you can not be a Christian with a god that is the all knowing author of everything in the universe.

If you have free will then your Christian god can not know and be the author of all the past and the future.

If your christian god is all knowing and the author of all things then your god must know the outcome of your "free" will "choices". If he knows the outcome and is the author, there can be no free will.

Free will can only be a delusion to the true Christian.

Either the Christian god is all knowing and the author of all things, or you have free will. You can't have it both ways, it is a glaring contradiction.

Remember all those "Christian" founding fathers of our country that the fundementalists all carp about? This is the conclusion the founders reached too, that God could not be the author of all things or we lacked free will.

These men were "Deists". In order to be Christian and have free will, they posited that god created the world and let it go on its own way, like a clockmaker that makes his clock, winds it and lets it go.

It amazes me that all these "Christians" have never use any critical thought about their religion, their god, and their bible.

Until fundementalists start using critical thinking skills, we could be doomed to a future of the same mistakes and religious wars and persucutions we have witnessed in the past.







[ edited by Reamond on Feb 29, 2004 10:14 AM ]
 
 Reamond
 
posted on February 29, 2004 10:21:53 AM new
don't blame God for people's evil.

Well I guess you have established there are some things god has no control over, and that he nevers changes his mind.

Where to start ?

If god never changes his mind, they why pray ? Why ask god for something, when he/she knew from the beginning the outcome and can not change it ? If god must change his mind then he/she is imperfect.



 
 neroter12
 
posted on February 29, 2004 03:46:45 PM new
Helen, I read the first article but the link (at the time anyway) to the 2nd was busted.

It reminds me of one of my sisters who is trying (or doing) the Christian life and we talked about Bush and she said: "Well, I like the fact that he's a Christian." And all I could do was grimmace.

But I tell ya, when I read stuff like that, it all seems so fruitless to me. Like were just fri**in puppets to the movers and shakers. Seems like no matter who is in power, the game is so way beyond the comprehension and credibility of what the average american can process as real. I think we prefer our fairy tales Helen. You know, Bush is sincere doing the best for the country, blah, blah, blah.

 
 Reamond
 
posted on February 29, 2004 04:10:40 PM new
All anyone that thinks fundy christians are put upon in the USA by secularists need only to read those articles to see why.

The articles show the very scary and accurate depiction of fundementalists as anti-democracy and on a crazy train towards fascism.

Thanks for the links Helen, they were two very good pieces.

 
 Helenjw
 
posted on February 29, 2004 05:03:42 PM new


Neroter,

"I think we prefer our fairy tales Helen"

That's a Bush prayer that will not be answered. We've seen too much reality to deal with his lies and deceit for another four years.


Reamond,

Your comments are always instructive and I appreciate knowing that you enjoyed the articles.

Helen






 
 Linda_K
 
posted on March 1, 2004 06:19:31 AM new
Taken from the E-online web site:

"Passion" Blesses Box Office
by Bridget Byrne
Feb 29, 2004, 3:25 PM PT


The Passion of the Christ really nailed it.

Mel Gibson's tough-love Jesus movie earned an estimated $76.2 million over the three-day weekend, making the independently financed and released movie the best ever February opener and the seventh biggest opener of all time, on a list headed by Spider-Man's $114.8 million last May.



Since it officially debuted Wednesday with $23.5 million, the Newmarket release, directed, cowritten and bankrolled (for $25 million) by Gibson and starring Jim Caviezel in the title role, has earned $117.5 million, making it the first movie this year to cross the $100 million threshold.


The Passion racked up the second best five-day total for a movie opening on a Wednesday, beating Star Wars: Episode I--The Phantom Menace, which made $105.6 million, and trailing only The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, which grabbed $124.1 million.


It is also the second most successful R-rated opener, only trailing The Matrix Reloaded (which ranks second on the all-time best list), with $91.7 million.



On more than 4,000 screens at 3,043 theaters, Gibson's violent and controversial movie averaged a huge $25,041 per site. Its weakest day was Thursday, with $14.78 million, its strongest, Saturday, with $32.84 million. The Passion defied the odds, not just for a movie of its grim seriousness, but for a time of year notoriously slow at the box office.



"The grassroots marketing, the huge amount of press coverage devoted to the film, the controversy, the Mel Gibson factor--that all conspired to create this incredible opening weekend," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of Exhibitor Relations, the company that tallies the studios' grosses.



Re-elect President Bush!!
 
 Helenjw
 
posted on March 1, 2004 07:22:13 AM new


'The Passion' of the Americans
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Friday 27 February 2004

The television airwaves have been filled for the last several days with a lot of back-and-forth about Mel Gibson's new film, 'The Passion of The Christ.' A great deal of debate centers around whether Gibson has fashioned a broadside against Jewish people in the manner of the Medieval anti-Semitic passion plays of old. There are plenty of rabbis arguing with Christian ministers on just about any channel you might choose to watch, so I'm going to leave that question to them for the time being.

My question is much simpler: Why would Mel Gibson make a movie about people in the ancient Middle East and cast it with so many white people? To look at the central actors in this film, you'd think Jesus did his work near Manchester, New Hampshire instead of the Holy Land. The answer to that question lies within the United States, the prime market for this film. There are millions of Christians in America, some 25% of whom would characterize themselves as evangelical. It stands to reason that this film would do very well here, especially given the controversy that has surrounded the content.

The whiteness of the cast, however, speaks to a decidedly un-Christian truth that lies near the heart of this republic. Simply put, nailing a white Jesus Christ to the cross on film will generate a far more emotional response from the American viewing public than the crucifixion of a savior who actually looks like he is from the Middle East.

First, let's dispense with the idea that the white people who were cast to play the most emotive characters - Jesus, Judas, and Mary Magdalene - have anything to do with historical accuracy. In truth, the region where Jesus was born was, and remains, populated by brown-skinned people. The fact of Christ's non-whiteness is borne out in the historical record, and in biblical scripture. Right off the bat, the Book of Matthew describes Mary and Joseph fleeing to Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Egypt is in Africa, and is populated by brown-skinned people. For my money, this would be the last place on earth I would go to hide a white baby from an angry King.

The earliest renditions of Jesus, painted by the first Christians called Essenes in the catacombs of Rome, depict a person with brown skin. During the time of Roman Emperor Justinian II, a gold coin featuring an image of Jesus was minted. This coin, which today can be seen in the British Museum, depicts a man with demonstrably non-white features and tightly curled hair. Finally, there is the Book of Revelations, which bears out the crafting of the Essenes and the Roman coin-makers by describing Jesus as having hair like wool, feet the color of burnt brass, and who resembled jasper and sardine stones. Jasper and sardine stones are both brown, as is burnt brass.

The Jesus most familiar to Americans, the Jesus featured in Gibson's film, looks like the front man for an alternative rock band out of Minnesota. Judas in this film is a shorter version of the same phenomenon. White skin, long straight brown hair, decidedly European features - this is not the Jesus that preached revolution against the Empire long ago. This is the Jesus fashioned by Michelangelo five centuries ago, who used his white cousin as the model for the savior.

The ugly truth which never even occurs to most Americans is that Jesus looked a lot more like an Iraqi, like an Afghani, like a Palestinian, like an Arab, than any of the paintings which grace the walls of American churches from sea to shining sea. This was an uncomfortable fact before September 11. After the attack, it became almost a moral imperative to put as much distance between Americans and people from the Middle East as possible. Now, to suggest that Jesus shared a genealogical heritage and physical similarity to the people sitting in dog cages down in Guantanamo is to dance along the edge of treason.

George W. Bush calls himself Christian. If you believe him, he is on armchair-to-armchair relations with the Almighty, enjoying regular conversations with He Is What He Is on everything from tax policy to invasion plans. Bush serves a unique dual role as both the Commander in Chief and as high priest to the evangelical wing of American Christianity.

When Bush did his little flight-suit strut across the aircraft carrier last May, he proclaimed victory in biblical verse and sent a signal to those Christians who see him as more than a man. Bush, that day, quoted Isaiah's passage from the Servant Songs about captives coming out and slaves being free. This is the same passage, as described in Luke chapter 4, which Jesus used to announce his coming as the Son of God. "Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing," said Jesus. Bush's use of this incredibly loaded passage speaks as much to his messianic fantasies as it does to his status as Christian-in-Chief.

Yet this is the same man who invades countries without cause and consigns tens of thousands of innocents to explosive, burning death. This is the same man who pushes tax policies that further enrich the wealthy while stripping funds and services from the neediest in this nation. This is the man who speaks the language of vengeance, of fear, of violence. This is the man whose entire moral existence flies in the face of Christ's words from Luke, chapter 12, verse 15: "Take care to guard against all greed, for though one may be rich, one's life does not consist of possessions." Sadly, the skewed moral compass of George W. Bush is shared by too many Americans who would call themselves Christian.

Possibly the most important words ever spoken by Jesus can be found in Matthew, chapter 5, verses 38-45. "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth,'" said Christ. "But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."

It is these words that condemn both Bush and the hands-off moral attitude of too many American Christians. Certainly, Jesus was no fool. In Luke, chapter 11, verse 21, he said, "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are in peace." Self-protection, for person and nation, is both moral and intelligent. But vengeance, violence and hatred are not Christian. Mercy, love and generosity are the hallmarks of the teachings of Jesus. If you are to call yourself Christian, you must be for the poor and the weak, and against empire and vengeance. Period.

These simple attributes are all too absent in the American soul and spirit. Gibson's white Jesus is but one example of how far we have strayed. It is a safe bet that, had Gibson chosen a brown-skinned actor to portray Jesus, his film would not find a connection in this country. Millions of Americans try to live by the teachings of Jesus, and do so with success, but find themselves at odds with those who carry the banner of Christianity. This is a travesty.

Too many so-called Christians are blind to history, blind to the actions of our nation, blind to the hypocrisy of our so-called leaders, and the world bleeds because of it. Too many so-called Christians are people who would slaughter the savior to protect their power and position. Were Jesus alive today, he would probably nail himself to the cross to get away from all these people who act like barbarians in His name.


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[ edited by Helenjw on Mar 1, 2004 07:31 AM ]
 
 toben88
 
posted on March 1, 2004 08:25:13 AM new
I saw the movie last night

Its gory, but not as gory as rambo.

Its not antisemitic - there are good jews and bad jews in the movie. Jesus was a jew, his mother was a jew and all his closest friends were jews. The romans crucify him. He says several times in the movie, that he chose this path.

Its basically the book of John in the new testament.

 
 Linda_K
 
posted on March 1, 2004 08:29:47 AM new
Morgenstern [who is a Romanian actress, plays Mary - Mother of Jesus] also felt that filming "The Passion of the Christ" was a unique experience, especially given all the different actors who came together from different nationalities and religious backgrounds.   
  


"We were all together, and speaking Aramaic and Latin languages meant discovering a new way of performing, a new way of acting," Morgenstern said.   
  

"It was like we wanted to say 'This is something special. We are trying to speak through our emotions.'"   
  

"It's a universal film. It's a film for all people, for all time," Caviezel said. "It transcends even whether you are religious or not.   
  

When you go to the Vatican and you look at the Pieta, at the Blessed Mother and the Son, you don't have to be religious to appreciate this art. You can look at it and say 'My God, it's done by a 23-year old-kid, Michelangelo, what a genius.' Same thing goes with this movie."   
  

"It is about the vision of an artist," Morgenstern agreed. "It's emotion and pure art."  
 
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My question is much simpler: Why would Mel Gibson make a movie about people in the ancient Middle East and cast it with so many white people?

LOL - Maybe because there weren't any actors/actress from the ancient Middle East who auditioned for these parts?


edited to add: The film was produced in Italy.


Re-elect President Bush!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Mar 1, 2004 08:34 AM ]
 
 reamond
 
posted on March 1, 2004 02:24:48 PM new

LMAO !!!

666 Appears on Some 'Passion' Tickets
The Number 666, Which Some Christians See As Unholy, Appears on Some 'Passion' Tickets

The Associated Press



ROME, Ga. March 1 — Tickets at one movie theater screening Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" are being deemed decidedly unholy.
The number 666, which many Christians recognize as the "mark of the beast," is appearing on movie tickets for Gibson's film at a Georgia theater, drawing complaints from some moviegoers.



The machine that prints tickets assigned the number 666 as a prefix on all the tickets for the film, said Gary Smith, owner of the Movies at Berry Square in northwest Georgia. The 666 begins a series of numbers that are listed below the name of the movie, the date, time and price.

"It's from our computer and it's absolutely a coincidence," Smith said. "It has nothing to do with the film company or any vendor. It's completely in our computer."

In the Bible, the book of Revelation says 666 is the "number of the beast," usually interpreted as Satan or the Antichrist.

Several patrons have made comments about the numbers, and one person who was uncomfortable having 666 on her ticket asked for a pass to be substituted for a ticket.

"A lot of people have asked what the numbers mean, some said it seemed odd, some said it was inappropriate," said theater employee Erica Diaz.

The movie, which opened Wednesday, is a bloody depiction of Christ's final hours and crucifixion.



 
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