posted on March 25, 2004 05:29:56 PM new
KD - The problem is that nobody does anything about these issues or a group like PETA wouldn't be necessary[/i].
It's one thing to do something along the line I suggested to get the 'word' out. It's another to go off the deep end and scare children.
Like I said, next time you take a bite of meat, try to remember the sacrifices that animal went through for you.
Each and everytime I eat anything I remember the sacrifices my husband went through to earn the money for me to eat on....I'll not be thinking about the cow, chicken or pig.
You can only ignore something like this for so long. I'm ignoring nothing. I was mostly raised on my grandparents farm. They raised cows, chickens, turkeys, pigs and an occassional lamb. I'm the one dealing in reality here, please don't worry about me.
posted on March 25, 2004 05:38:23 PM new
kraftdinner
How do you define humane treatment??? What do you see that needs to be done?
try to remember the sacrifices that animal went through for you. You can only ignore something like this for so long.
That food item made no sacrifice at all. It only exist for one reason only and that is for food.
When a large cat pulls down a deer do you think it cares if the deer does not like it? No, its food.
There are groups out there who protest the eating of "greens." They worry if that carrot you pull out of the ground is suffering. Where does it end? No food, then you die.
How do you mass produce food and keep prices and costs down? For larger spaces it will cost.
posted on March 25, 2004 06:16:11 PM new
Sorry Linda. I didn't mean YOU in particular in my last post. Just the first sentence was for you. And I'm talking about commercial meat, not small farms like you were raised on or what Prof has going.
Trai, are your saying because animals are raised for food they should be treated any differently than any other animal? Have you seen the condtions we're talking about? If you want to ignore that fact that these animals have feelings and are forced to live in terrible conditions, that up to you, but somebody has to put a stop to this for the sake of these animals. They are no different than puppy mills. Whether it's a mouse or a moose, it shouldn't make any difference to how these animals are treated.
And yes, Twelve. I've seen a cock fight and a dog fight between pit bulls on a documentary. It was sad to me. All that to entertain us.
posted on March 25, 2004 06:27:43 PM new
I said this more than once, Im in favor of decent treatment of animals but I ask you what do you think needs to be done and how will it be paid for.
Besides more room for livestock what would make this any better?
posted on March 25, 2004 06:56:22 PM new
And I said, Trai, if you had seen the conditions that these people are talking about, you wouldn't need to ask. More room is an excellent start though.
posted on March 25, 2004 09:58:50 PM new
I don't agree with the extremes PETA goes to. And as an omnivore who leans more to carnivore than the other way, I don't agree with their extreme views regarding the eating of animals.
THAT SAID: neither do I believe in torturing my food before I eat it. Someone compared our animal raising/slaughtering habits to those of wild carnivores catching & killing their prey. The two simply don't equate--the wild carnivores don't torture their food, they simply catch it & eat it. And another poster compared modern factory farming with the farm of her grandparents, who I highly doubt were factory farmers--farming methods have changed drastically in the past 30 odd years. I do think it's torture to cut off the beaks of chickens & turkeys, to cram them into tiny areas where they have little or no ability to move about and, in the case of chickens, leave the lights on 24 hours a day to increase egg production. It's torture to cram pigs into concrete bunkers for most of their lives and force sows into metal gratings to feed their piglets, allowing no interaction. It's torture to place calves in small boxes, not allowing them to exercise at all. Etc. etc. etc.
I eat meat, yes. I have no problem with--humans are omnivores, after all. But I'm willing to pay a bit more to buy from people who treat the animals more humanely. And if it's not available I can do without.
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Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it should end there --Clare Booth Luce
posted on March 26, 2004 04:58:12 AM new
trai, (and twelve) if I had wanted to insult you, I would have called you ignorant. I didn't. I called the atitude ignorant. Ignorant means "unaware" or "lacking knowlege". I used the word specifically to indicate that the attitude people have towards their food sources in most of our country is an unawareness of the grisly, inhumane way the animals are treated before and during slaughter. People don't know about it (ignorance) and most of them like it that way, in my opinion. They'd rather not be reminded that their Popcorn Chicken had the sharp end of it's beak burnt off with a hot iron when it was a day old, , spent the rest of it's 7 weeks of life crowded into a shed with between 10 and 100,000 other birds, having about 1/2 square foot of space to call it's own if it's lucky. Most people don't know, and would rather not think about the fact that in that broiler shed I spoke of, about 10% of those birds will die due to lung disease and cardiac arrest, and that they'll lay there with the living ones sometimes for days before they are noticed by the shed keepers.
"Show me a smart chicken", is another statement that perfectly describes this unaware attitude.
I apologize if you thought I was calling you ignorant. Apparently I didn't make myself clear. I wasn't. It's the attitude.
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posted on March 26, 2004 05:18:00 AM new
Wrap it however you want... your backdoor insult got called and now you're backpedling like a child caught with their hand in a cookie jar... LOL
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
posted on March 26, 2004 12:35:01 PM new
Geez Twelve. I see an (unnecessary) apology from Prof. More than I've ever seen you do with your "backdoor insults", whatever that means.
Those were admirable posts from Prof and Bunni, but then again, their posts always are.
posted on March 26, 2004 02:42:43 PM newWrap it however you want... your backdoor insult got called and now you're backpedling like a child caught with their hand in a cookie jar... LOL
Nope, you're mistaken. If the difference between calling a mindset ignorant and calling a person ignorant is lost on you, that isn't my concern. I elaborated. I didn't backpedal. LOL all you want.
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posted on March 26, 2004 06:28:34 PM newI think you will find others here alot smarter than you give them credit for... but hey you apologized and that's what counts...
As long as you understand that I apologized for failing to make myself clear. I did not apologize for calling anyone ignorant, because I didn't. I give credit where it's due. As I said, if you can't see the difference between calling a person ignorant and calling an attitude ignorant, that's not my concern.
posted on March 28, 2004 10:33:01 PM new
I want to pose a question, along the lines of PETA. I am sure it will stir up much contriversary, but oh well.
There are many of us who oppose abortion. What would happen if those of us who are pro-life went out back behind an abortion mill, grabbed murdered fetus', and started throwing them at children. I mean, if people care so much about how much our table guests suffer (cows, chickens and such), how do you think people would react to this attempt to bring to life the horrors of abortion? Any comments.
In Christ,
Rick
Romans 8:16
edited for a run on sentence...lol
[ edited by ChristianCoffee on Mar 28, 2004 10:33 PM ]
posted on March 29, 2004 09:56:35 AM new"What would happen if those of us who are pro-life went out back behind an abortion mill, grabbed murdered fetus', and started throwing them at children."
Grabbing murdered fetus's behind an abortion mill? Since when did they dispose of aborted fetus's that way? And how do you compare fake blood and plastic bones to this?
posted on March 29, 2004 12:01:27 PM new
Rick, I think you need to forget the analogy. First, toss out the image of pro-human life throwing a murdered fetus at children.
