kiara
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posted on April 30, 2004 01:41:09 PM new
The CRTC and FCC both control programming to a certain extent. We used to get HBO here. There has always been controversy about how the CRTC and FCC control things.
Like Kraft and Bunni said, the CRTC regulates it so Canadian satellite/cable providers offer a certain percentage (I think it's less than 30%) of the Canadian content as the country is bombarded with American programming. This way Canadians have a choice to watch content from both countries.
The CRTC is less regulative than the FCC when it comes to nudity and bad language, etc. There was nudity on TV here decades ago and it was never a big deal and most just shrugged at it whereas I remember when they couldn't even show a bra commercial on American ads unless it was on a mannequin and they couldn't show deodorant being applied to a bare armpit. 
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Linda_K
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posted on April 30, 2004 01:41:57 PM new
KD - That too is addressed in the article....as I said...ONE of many.
Of course, if Canadians don't like their current cable television offerings, they might be tempted to shell out some bucks for a foreign satellite dish (read an American DirecTV satellite system) and pick up some of the juicy American signals (Look, there's Carson Daly showing Angelina Jolie his tattoo!) drifting across the border. But the CRTC tells us that this—as Richard Nixon once put it—would be wrong. It would also be illegal.
Last year, the Canadian Supreme Court ruled that unscrambling foreign satellite signals (read transmissions of "Rugrats" reruns on American Nickelodeon or "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox News) is against the law. And I don't mean against the law in the way that littering is against the law, with violations punished by sternly disapproving looks from elderly fellow citizens. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) are actually actively engaged in raiding satellite television shops, seizing DirecTV satellite equipment, and hanging onto it for months before finally levying charges of "conspiracy to sell and distribute American satellite systems."
It's a scenario that would impress 1984's Big Brother, but it does little for the cultural freedom and independence of Canadian citizens, 83 percent of whom say they want good quality programming available regardless of where it comes from, and 64 percent of whom say they think there should be no restrictions on access to non-Canadian channels.
So, the next time you're thinking about emigrating to Canada to take advantage of all those cheap government-capped prices on prescription drugs or the cradle-to-grave universal health care system, just remember this: No regime of extensive government regulation comes without its price: a tax on personal choice and freedom.
http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.17691/article_detail.asp
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Thanks Near - I thought so - but at least two posters here had said the same thing....so I thought maybe he sold it.
Re-elect President Bush!!
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 01:44:09 PM new
Peter Jennings
Does he communte back and forth between the U.S and Canada?
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 01:47:33 PM new
so, kinda obvious now then, you don't have Michael Medved, Michael Reagan, and..... well forget this: Rush Limbaugh on Canadian radio
Well, you can most likely pick up stations here depending on your location and your radio
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kiara
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posted on April 30, 2004 02:09:40 PM new
I just read many of the links about the Fox News and it seems that Americans are way more upset than Canadians that it's not offered in Canada.
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 30, 2004 02:21:19 PM new
Linda, your articles are from people that are ignorant to the workings of the CRTC. All American programming is available but each program is bought by our own Canadian providers to distribute. No, we don't get HBO, but we carry all of HBO programming on Showtime. So, what's really sad is the ignorance, not the programming.
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Linda_K
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posted on April 30, 2004 02:28:36 PM new
kiara - I'd think all Canadians would be upset they're only getting one version of any media outlet....and [b]that what they can see and hear is controlled by your government[/i].
They send the Canadian police out to remove satelite dishes? HOW FREE is that? They take away your citizens right to choose opposing ideas and thoughts and that appears to be okay with you.
And I don't know where the Canadian in my article got her figures from but if 86% want to be allowed to get their news from where ever they wish.....and the government won't let them....that's a pretty sad statement about how willing your citizens are to be controlled in order to be 'taken care of' by your socialist government.
Or maybe you just don't think it's any big deal that people hear both sides of all the issues....not just the liberal one....that way they won't be troubled by having to make up THEIR OWN MINDS and FORM THEIR OWN OPINIONS on the issues.
Re-elect President Bush!!
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Linda_K
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posted on April 30, 2004 02:31:30 PM new
KD - Are you saying that BOTH of these statements are lies?
Last year, the Canadian Supreme Court ruled that unscrambling foreign satellite signals (read transmissions of "Rugrats" reruns on American Nickelodeon or "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox News) is against the law. And I don't mean against the law in the way that littering is against the law, with violations punished by sternly disapproving looks from elderly fellow citizens.
and:
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) are actually actively engaged in raiding satellite television shops, seizing DirecTV satellite equipment, and hanging onto it for months before finally levying charges of "conspiracy to sell and distribute American satellite systems."
Re-elect President Bush!!
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 02:31:33 PM new
kiara, the stuff I posted was off a Canadian message board, posted by Canadians.
They are the ones that seem upset.
Now, just in case I go up to Canada, I want my Hannity and Colmes! and looks like I can't get it
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 02:33:26 PM new
is there even McDonalds up there??????????????????
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Linda_K
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posted on April 30, 2004 02:39:20 PM new
NTS - LOL....can't tear yourself away from that cutie, huh? I won't mention that to Mike
I'd most miss Brit Hume and his panel....then O'Reilly.....even though I don't always agree with him.
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But I can't believe there would be stations that I might want to watch on my satelite dish....I'd have the police coming after me....and charges would be filed because it's not on the 'approved' list. 
Re-elect President Bush!!
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 02:43:27 PM new
Hannity is a little cutie isn't he? BUT then there is Shep...... but tooo young I'd say
Oh! I like Brit Hume..... wasn't he an anchor for one of the non cable Primetime News?? at one time??
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 30, 2004 02:45:58 PM new
Linda, the RCMP will raid shops that carry illegal computer chips. These chips allow a non-paying customer to receive free satellite signals. It's illegal to steal satellite signals here and in the U.S.
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 02:47:07 PM new
Do the Mounties really still ride horses everyday?
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Linda_K
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posted on April 30, 2004 02:56:33 PM new
Shep too young? Never especially not for YOU.
Brit - Yes, he did...as have others once Fox News took hold and gained in popularity.
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KD - Could you explain why all these Canadians would be saying the same thing then....about not being about to watch certain programs....Fox News included?
Do you think they all are misunderstanding the situation? Especially the Canadians who have lived in the US and Canada are more aware of the differences between both countries.
Your people can't get 'disapproved' stations up there but other left-leaning stations are being approved....like the Arab ones. Sure looks to me when reading several links...they're all saying the same thing. Anything with views or opinions that don't go along with what's approved by your government isn't being seen.
Re-elect President Bush!!
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kiara
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:02:56 PM new
Linda, why are you so upset over this? Why are you flying out of your nest and squawking my name? Just because I presently reside in Canada I have no control over this and it isn't an issue to me whether I get Fox News or not. As I said, I wasn't even aware it wasn't available here and from what I understand it was only offered as a package deal with ESPN and MTV and Canada already has TSN and Much Music.
I can take a quick jump over the border and watch Fox News if I wish too.
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Helenjw
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:04:22 PM new
The people in Canada are better informed without Fox news. A study by Knowledge Networks found that those people who relied on Fox news were uninformed about events in Iraq. Several questions were asked the respondents. In this example, respondents over June-September mistakenly thought that the U.S. had "found" WMD. Fox readers represented a higher percentage of those who were under false impressions in every question.
Question...October 2, 2003 , "Is it your impression that the U.S. has or has not found weapons of mass destruction?"
Those answering yes, there has ...
Fox ..33%
CBS...23%
NBC...20%
CNN...20%
ABC...19%
Print media...17%
PBS-NPR....11%
And.... "when respondents were asked
whether the US has found Iraqi weapons of
mass destruction since the war had ended,
22% of all respondents over June-September
mistakenly thought this had happened. Once
again, Fox viewers were the highest with
33% having this belief. A lower 19-23% of
viewers who watch ABC, NBC, CBS, and
CNN had the perception that the US has
found WMD. Seventeen percent of those
who primarily get their news from print
sources had the misperception, while only
11% of those who watch PBS or listen to
NPR had it."
MISPERCEPTIONS, THE MEDIA AND THE IRAQ WAR
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:11:45 PM new
excuse me Helen, was that survey taken by Canadians? I didn't click your link.
If not, who are you to say that 'The people in Canada are better informed without Fox news.' ?
Thats up to a majority of Canadians, wouldn't you say?
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:12:13 PM new
Linda, I'll try to explain it. It's like an American wanting cheaper prices for everything and not knowing that to get these cheap prices, they will lose their jobs to the Chinese. Same with Canada. Some Canadians want to watch 100% American programming but to give them that, we would be selling out our Canadian owned companies that provide the exact same programming.
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:14:46 PM new
kiara, I'm not Linda, but maybe, just maybe its the same way that Canadians will post about U.S. 'freedoms' the 'U.S. in Iraq' The U.S. President, the U.S. The U.S. the U.S.A Now why do Canadians get 'upset' over things like, our (U.S.) freedoms or rights?
how bout Kentucky Fried Chicken, got that?
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replaymedia
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:15:38 PM new
Why would Canada WANT to hear American talk radio like Rush Limbaugh anyway?
Can't really blame them, I wouldn't want to listen to Canadian politics three hours a day either.
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:16:48 PM new
LINDA, yes Shep is too young, look at that cute baby face!! he's more my daughters type!!!!
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:18:07 PM new
replay, they probably wouldn't, that was just off the top...... who I could think of.. course Hannity has his own radio show, so does O'Reilly...... wonder if they get those? naaaaa
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Helenjw
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:21:46 PM new
Just a thought, Nearthesea. based on the research of the Center for International and Security Studies at the University of Maryland School for Public Affairs and the independend non profit organization COPA along with PIPA. You can read about it by clicking my links or not.
Helen
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:22:10 PM new
Are you serious Near? An unwarranted war brought on by a President that lied to it's people is a bit different than whether we get Fox News. Geez. 
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:27:47 PM new
kraft.... the war wasn't all that I posted about. EVERYTHING AMERICAN or U.S. is talked about by Canadians here! How much of this RT is devoted to Canada or Canadian Gov't??
I'll answer for you
not much...... this thread??
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:29:29 PM new
copied and am pasting this here
Free Dominion is a Canadian conservative political news forum conceptually modeled after the ground-breaking American website Free Republic. Free Dominion is the world's first proof the power of Free Republic can be imported and applied in any country where there is a desire for liberty. There is now a growing Free Britannia in the U.K., and conservative patriots in other countries are sure follow with comparable websites of their own.
Although Free Dominion was inspired by Free Republic, our primary focus is Canada and international events affecting Canada. Our interests are Canadian, our pursuit is liberty, and our principles are conservative.
The Free Dominion works because liberals cannot control content on a political website on the internet, as they do with the old style media. Liberalism cannot successfully be promoted on a serious internet forum because the usual liberal debating ploys don’t work in the unforgiving environment of a public text debate.
The internet is unique in that it may be the only venue in which a reasoned conservative argument trumps a socialist rant.
In cyberspace, you can't hear a liberal scream.
had to laugh at the last sentence........
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:34:15 PM new
In cyberspace, you can't hear a liberal scream.
LOL!
"I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
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NearTheSea
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:36:33 PM new
Hey! watch it, I think I want that as a sig line!!! LOL!
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 30, 2004 03:40:35 PM new
Near, I don't see anyone getting upset about American freedoms - who? where?
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