posted on May 12, 2004 03:18:59 PM new
right on, Linda.
Thanks for the concern, but no, a dark sedan with Vendio logos did not take me away to a gulag. But the censorship on this board is very disturbing and everyone (especially conservatives) had better be VERY careful what they say or post.
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posted on May 12, 2004 03:19:34 PM new
kraft, you keep saying that, but see nothing wrong with a charred human being, titled with absolutely no warning. please don't tell me you don't wait for pics to load, I have cable, and they just come up, that fast.
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posted on May 12, 2004 03:23:48 PM new
Again, I have YET to see a warning on any of the photos skylite repeatedly posts; but you never mention that, only that EAG didn't have a warning.
Opening a thread with photos directly in front of you of mangled and charred bodies, including babies and children WITH NO WARNING - this is more acceptable than having a link to clink on? Disgusting.
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posted on May 12, 2004 03:26:23 PM new
I am however I see many who wish to stiffle the views of others upset that the "Evil" thread was shut down.
Out of respect to the mans loved ones and family the pictures should not be spread over the internet at this time but that is a personal choice that one makes.
I have seen mayhem first hand although I have not viewed these pictures I do not expect they would have the same impact on me.
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posted on May 12, 2004 03:32:20 PM new
So this is the justification you're sticking with? If Skylite can do it, why can't I? Because there's a difference. Pictures of the dead are to be expected. A series of pictures showing a person being beheaded is not. EAG should have warned people what they were about to view. And I don't care how mature you are, seeing pictures of person being put to death isn't even in the same league.
posted on May 12, 2004 03:34:26 PM newbut see nothing wrong with a charred human being
I thought those photos were awful, too. As much as I didn't like the link, I did point my boyfriend to the thread because he has heard nothing about the killing of Nick Berg. But, it was gone before he got there. I guess he's living in the dark.
davebraun does bring up a good point about the man's family, though. How do we know that no members of his family post here? Or friends of his family for that matter? We were all so busy with our opinions on the link that we seemed to have forgotten about respect for the family. I couldn't imagine what they must be going through. It would be nice to turn this thread around (understanding that most of you are angry) and send condolences to his family even if they never read it. And, I'm going to start it because I feel awful about the whole discussion.
To the family of Nick Berg: I hope you find comfort in the arms of each other and that the good that Nick Berg did in this world is not over shadowed by this horrible deed.
Edited because, as near pointed out, I got the name wrong. I will now try to wipe the red off my face.
Cheryl
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posted on May 12, 2004 03:35:55 PM new
The point I am trying to make is that you are outraged when it is something YOU deem unacceptable; but perfectly alright when one of your "buddies" does it.
You seem to be missing the point that there is a HUGE difference in posting a link and directly posting photos. A link gives you the option to click on it - photos don't, they are right there in front of you.
I can't make it any clearer, KD.
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You are correctl, it is Nick. My face is red. I don't know why I typed Michael except that while typing it, I was screaming at my son Michael to take the trash out before I decide to dump it in his room (not that you'd be able to tell the difference)!!!
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I must have missed that thread, but I get the feeling it would have turned my stomach as well. Listen, I can't even watch the old black and white Psycho without freaking out.
posted on May 12, 2004 03:43:40 PM new
thank you for telling me that, I didn't read WHO it was, as I was, I was shocked that it was there, and under that title
and Helen, I never thought it was you that reported it... I believe someone here on the RT did though.
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posted on May 12, 2004 03:45:07 PM new
Cheryl, it was not a big deal on the name, because in the article(s) I read, they kept saying Michael a lot, Michael is the father.
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posted on May 12, 2004 03:46:53 PM new
Ah, that's where I got it then. I knew it came from somewhere. I'm not in the habit of pulling names out of my hat. Not that I wear one.
posted on May 12, 2004 03:50:35 PM new
Near, I have never seen pictures of a person in the process of being killed, yet I've seen hundreds of pictures of dead people. How many of you have seen pictures or videos of people being put to death compared to the number of pictures you've seen of dead people. Do you see the difference? I am on nobody's side but I'm against somebody choosing for me, what I should and shouldn't see. If EAG said the link was of someone being killed, I may or may not have chosen to click on the link. Because I didn't know what the subject was and clicked on his link to see, when I came back and looked I was confronted with a series of pictures of an American being beheaded - something I didn't choose to see.
posted on May 12, 2004 04:01:08 PM new
I understand that, kraftdinner. I read several warnings before watching the video. I can't imagine seeing that without some previous warning.
posted on May 12, 2004 04:05:42 PM new
KD - I've never seen
I know you're in Canada....and that some of your TV IS censored....but in America we saw, before the war, pictures shown on our TV in Iraq where people were made to kneel down and a person walked over and shot them in their head. In an Iraqi sports arena....where saddam and his 'geneva convention' freaks did some of their dirty work.
And if you read online news articles you will see where there are supporters of this war claiming exactly the same thing we're discussing here. That pictures of what the American's have done ARE being shown...while pictures of the killings are NOW [during this election time] NOT being allowed. It'a a double standard - for sure.
And I don't care how mature you are, seeing pictures of person being put to death isn't even in the same league.
What you're missing is you had a choice to click or not to see what was evil. skylite's pics were just 'there'.....no choice. Either both are okay...or neither are...because neither gave a warning.....IF that's what you really wanted....and not just the pictures to be shown that you didn't approve of.
Even on TV they warn you ahead of time that what they are about to show is going to be graphic. You then have enough time to leave the room if you choose to. BOTH skylight's photos and that link should have come with a warning even if it's just out of courtesy for other posters. No one here, as far as I can tell, has said they should not post these things at all. All that was suggested was that warning the viewer a head of time would have been the considerate thing to do. KD has just as much right to NOT see the photos as much as some of you feel you have the right to see them. I don't take any of KD's comments as meaning she favors censorship or even wants it.
posted on May 12, 2004 04:25:39 PM new
By the time I saw EAG's thread several had already posted to it so I knew what the link was about. I can understand if Kraft was shocked by it if she wasn't expecting to see that.
Canadian TV does show killings/shootings at times and the stations give warnings first that it may be offensive to some viewers. My concern is that younger people who don't have adult supervision may view some of the pictures that have been shown recently on the internet and television and that it may seriously affect them.
posted on May 12, 2004 04:38:36 PM new
Linda, the pictures themselves are equally graphic, it was the lack of any warning, that I was about to witness a person being killed, that I found disappointing. Death doesn't bother me, but seeing a person go through what this young man did, without prior knowledge, is irresponsible. I don't approve or disapprove of Skylite's pictures, but I can see the difference with this one.
posted on May 12, 2004 04:49:30 PM new
EAG, can you say anymore about the censorship here, esp. on conservatives? I understand if you don't want to
kraft, I think wgm explained it better than I could, see above.
no, I don't like or go out of my way to see dead bodies. And aside from violent stuff, as in war, I've always thought that open caskets at funerals should end. (this has nothing to do with the dead photos, or the person BEING killed) but since the first funeral I've been to, I could not and did not look at the open casket, and in our church, they usually always had open caskets, I could not look at my mother! I know that the body there isn't the person we knew.
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posted on May 12, 2004 04:50:17 PM new
Cheryl - Even on TV they warn you ahead of time that what they are about to show is going to be graphic
Agreed. But there are two issues being discussed here, imho. One is if ALL here should give a warning....or if only some are being called to the carpet.
Then the issue of whether any should be shown or not - [ at all]
My statement reflects that I see a VERY BIG double standard here.
posted on May 12, 2004 05:02:21 PM new
The difference is clear. One person shows pictures of dead people, the other shows pictures of a person in the process of being killed. If you thinkk they are the same then we think differently.
