logansdad
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posted on May 25, 2004 05:58:00 PM new
NTS,
This link is another study about gay parents and the children they raised. It was done by the APA.
http://www.apa.org/pi/parent.html
Re-defeat Bush
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In the words from Cher:
We’re gonna love one another ’til morning comes
Sweet salvation for what we’ve done
Give up resisting one by one one by one
We’re gonna love one another
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logansdad
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posted on May 25, 2004 06:01:25 PM new
For those that live in Canada, I would like to hear if there are any debates over what gay marriages will do to the Canadian society.
Do the Canadians have the same concerns as Americans?
Re-defeat Bush
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In the words from Cher:
We’re gonna love one another ’til morning comes
Sweet salvation for what we’ve done
Give up resisting one by one one by one
We’re gonna love one another
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cblev65252
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posted on May 25, 2004 06:16:17 PM new
I still fail to understand how in the hell a gay person getting married affects any one of you personally (meaning those of you so adamantly opposed). They have not asked to come live in your house. They have not asked to eat at your table. They have not asked you to accept their lifestyle. They have not asked you for anything. They have asked our government for the same rights, the same consideration and the same respect that everyone else in this country expects. It is not up to anyone on this board or anywhere else to judge them. The very people you judge with so much venom are the most tolerant and accepting people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. What some of you are spewing is nothing more than bigotry.
Cheryl
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on May 25, 2004 06:17:02 PM new
Not only should gay marriages be illegal, but homosexuality should be illegal too.
"I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
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cblev65252
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posted on May 25, 2004 06:23:23 PM new
Bigotry should be illegal. Who appointed you or anyone else here judge? Judge not lest ye be judged. Well, maybe you are being judged and I don't think the verdict will be innocent.
Cheryl
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on May 25, 2004 06:37:39 PM new
Just my opinion. Sorry, but I'm sick and tired of hearing all this gay crap. Now I'd vote to make it all illegal.
"I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
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logansdad
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posted on May 25, 2004 06:52:29 PM new
EAG: Just my opinion. Sorry, but I'm sick and tired of hearing all this gay crap. Now I'd vote to make it all illegal.
If you don't like it, then go live in Iraq. They have many more freedoms over there and plus you will not have to tolerate any more from the gays.
If you don't like it then don't participate in these threads. Why don't you just put everyone on ignore.
Re-defeat Bush
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In the words from Cher:
We’re gonna love one another ’til morning comes
Sweet salvation for what we’ve done
Give up resisting one by one one by one
We’re gonna love one another
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NearTheSea
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posted on May 25, 2004 07:05:56 PM new
Cheryl, I am not adamatly opposed, frankly right now, I could care less. But, it does make 'traditional' marriage 'less important', where it is a long tradition, that goes back centuries. I don't think I explained that well! 
They have not asked you to accept their lifestyle. They have not asked you for anything
In this thread, I only came in when it was either yeager or logansdad,sorry can't remember which, said that 'someone in your family is gay' (paraphrased) and I answered honestly, no, none are, and none are in the closet either. Then it derailed.. like most threads do....
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NearTheSea
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posted on May 25, 2004 07:08:07 PM new
sorry, it was mentioned to Linda, and I came in and answered about gays in my family.... correction to the above
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Linda_K
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posted on May 25, 2004 07:28:25 PM new
Cheryl - [/i]Who made you judge and jury[/i]?
Certainly you're not suggesting that those who hold different opinions can't state them. Or maybe it's only if they agree with your opinions that they're allowed to speak up. We're all the 'judge and jury' when it comes to which direction we want to see our nation take and we're all entitled to our opinions.
John Kerry is against gay marriages....but I don't see that bothering any of those who think only bigots support that position. 
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logansdad - There are conservatives and liberals in Canada too. There are many links that show they have the same disagreements....while they do tend to be more liberal as a whole.
here's a link that caused outrage in Canada. lol -
http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_landolt/20040518.html
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Re-elect President Bush!!
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 25, 2004 07:53:34 PM new
Near, I just can't see how a gay marriage makes a traditional marriage between a man and a woman less important. Here's an example I thought of - my family has always enjoyed a turkey dinner on Christmas day. Because I'm the only vegetarian, everyone decided no meat on Christmas. How does that make the tradition less important?
Logan, we LOVE gay people here. I grew up with gay friends, have 2 gay friends now and work with gays. Personally, the gay thing has never been an issue with me or anyone I've known, so it's like asking me how Canadians are adapting to snow.
Cheryl, you're right-on with your gay rights posts. I've read every one and you're always sooo right.
EAG, you're like a mini-Twelve-in-waiting. Why would you want to fill his shoes?
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Linda_K
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posted on May 25, 2004 08:05:15 PM new
KD - I thought only Quebec had approved gay civil unions? Not the other providences. Has that changed?
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And here's an article I think both Cheryl and logansdad should read....because of their statements about the voices of others being silenced....thought it was PERFECT
Liberals Want Conservative Voices Muted:
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/guestcontributors/grogan_20040525.html
Re-elect President Bush!!
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yeager
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posted on May 25, 2004 08:27:55 PM new
Helen,
My deepest apologies to you. I made a mistake typing your name instead of the Linda's. I must of been thinking of you! xxxooo
Cheryl,
Your comments are very well said. It wouldn't have any bearing on anyone else.
EAG,
Nobody is asking to you take part in this thread. If you don't like taking part in it, then move on! Nobody is forcing to click on this thread so you can spread your version of hate towards others. On your anti gay comments. What's the purpose of being stupid unless you can show it?
NTS,
kraftdinner is what Canadians call Kraft Macaroni and Cheese Dinner. I didn't mean serving kraft for dinner. We need him here to battle Linda K's very own brand of nonsense.
Now on to Linda,
Linda,
First of all, please don't try to disallow Cheryl for posting her thoughts. That's what we are doing here. Everyone is making their thought known. When you do it, it's correct and acceptable. When others provide information, it's incorrect or flawed in some way. Or you resort to calling them a broken record like you did to me.
Linda also says,
Just like pediphiles...they deserve/have equal rights too...that doesn't mean people accept their sexual behavior either.
I am sure, that you are aware that pedophilia is a crime. It is NOT an issue having anything to do with the gay marriage issue. I think that most gay men and women would also agree with me.
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 25, 2004 08:42:19 PM new
Linda, this is the way I see Canada - the majority are conservative but the conservatives are more liberal-conservatives and the liberals are very liberal.
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yeager
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posted on May 25, 2004 08:42:27 PM new
Linda,
I know that you are for all the traditions in marriage. Some of the traditions are really antiquated. The tradition of placing a wedding ring on the third finger of the left hand is one. The reason this practice started is that people of long ago thought that the main vein running to the heart was in that finger. Maybe we should have a constitutional amendment for that too. Do you think?
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
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Helenjw
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posted on May 25, 2004 08:45:38 PM new
Thanks, Yeager, I appreciate that. You're a Gentleman and a Scholar!
Helen
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kiara
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posted on May 25, 2004 09:07:59 PM new
logansdad, gay marriage doesn't seem to be all that important of an issue in Canada, it's seldom on the news and no one I know seems the least bit concerned about it. Since it's been legal in a few provinces it hasn't harmed society that I know of and I doubt it will.
There will be an election in Canada next month and as far as issues, I think gay marriage is at or near the bottom of the list. There are more important things to focus on such as health care and the economy and the integrity of the government.
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NearTheSea
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posted on May 25, 2004 09:09:39 PM new
LOL, I understand between the poster Kraftdinner and Kraft Mac 'n Cheese 
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Linda_K
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posted on May 25, 2004 09:19:51 PM new
yeager - First of all I argue my position....I don't tell people to move to Iraq if they don't like it, I don't tell people they don't have a right to express opposing views and I don't call people names when they express a different opinion.
Now that that's settled:
Gay marriage will hurt society in many ways. Gays pushing for their 'rights' is trampling on the 'rights' of others, imo.
Kerry is dealing with a divided party on his position of NOT supporting gay marriage. Those on the left don't like it that he thinks their 'rights' can be accomplished by civil unions. The blacks don't support gay marriage, and don't like the gays comparing their 'right's to their own hard fought for civil rights. Then there's the Catholics...who don't support kerrys position on many moral issues, including gay civil unions, abortions, etc. Then there are those OTHER democrats who oppose gay marriages.
As this topic heats up before the election....what's going to happen is it's going to bring more conservatives to the voting box in Nov...and that will be good for President Bush.
I just love all this 'they only want to love one another....to marry and be recognized as equals'. Their mission is to change our society to force their lifestyle on others. They have fought against the Boy Scout Groups....that have done nothing but promote strong leadership and concern for others in their organization.
Now they're pushing to get the Salvation Army closed down because they want gay 'partner' benefits and the Salvation Army is a religious organization. And I seriously doubt those two organizations are going to be the only ones the gay force to meet their agenda.
So now the people who depend on the Salvation Army either for their jobs or for meeting their needs....won't have the help they once had. But will the gay activists step in and help the needy? I seriously doubt it....they'll be on to their next social change. Those changes ARE hurting our society.
Re-elect President Bush!!
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 25, 2004 09:24:47 PM new
"Their mission is to change our society to force their lifestyle on others."
Linda, how does a gay person force their lifestyle on you or anyone? How can they?
[ edited by kraftdinner on May 25, 2004 09:27 PM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on May 25, 2004 09:25:48 PM new
[i]Just like pediphiles...they deserve/have equal rights too...that doesn't mean people accept their sexual behavior either.
I am sure, that you are aware that pedophilia is a crime. It is NOT an issue having anything to do with the gay marriage issue. I think that most gay men and women would also agree with me[/i].
Well.... I DON'T agree with you.
I wasn't talking about either being a crime....but rather whether the BEHAVIOR is accepted or not.
Re-elect President Bush!!
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Linda_K
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posted on May 25, 2004 09:37:59 PM new
I've decided who ME and MY people are
The US map on this link shows the blue states that support MY position....so I'll consider them MY people.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_marr.htm
oh.....PLUS John Kerry
Re-elect President Bush!!
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 25, 2004 09:39:43 PM new
P.S. I'm not a guy, Yeager. 
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Linda_K
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posted on May 25, 2004 09:44:14 PM new
KD - Linda, how does a gay person force their lifestyle on you or anyone? How can they?
Probably the best way I can help you understand it is to remind you how you feel about religious groups ....those church going people. I believe you've mentioned you think they try to 'shove' their beliefs down the throats of others. Same thing here.....different group.
Re-elect President Bush!!
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Helenjw
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posted on May 25, 2004 09:50:31 PM new
Lol KD...
Yes, Yeager, Kraftdinner is a gorgeous girl.
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NearTheSea
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posted on May 25, 2004 10:02:22 PM new
Yo Linda, I'm one of 'your' people
There sure are a lot of blue states!
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Linda_K
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posted on May 25, 2004 11:54:06 PM new
NearTheSea - And I thought WA state was a liberal state.
Well...it's charts, graphs, etc like that map that help me keep things in perspective around here. With the majority of posters being dems or left leaning I am very much out numbered, but gain strength when I see out in the 'real world' things are much more even or at times, even very much slanted to my position on the issues - as in this case.
Re-elect President Bush!!
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cblev65252
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posted on May 26, 2004 03:33:20 AM new
Their mission is to change our society to force their lifestyle on others.
Oh, brother, Linda. Have you been hitting the bottle? I laughed so hard at that ill thought out comment that I spilled my coffee. The KKK thinks allowing blacks the same rights as whites will deteriorate society. How is their thinking any different from yours?
"Their mission. . ." ROTFL!
Cheryl
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Helenjw
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posted on May 26, 2004 05:14:57 AM new
Cheryl,
Thanks for pointing that bizarre statement out. You are looking at Linda's remarks with a fresh eye, while I generally think same-old-sh t. and ignore it. My loss -- because after reading your comment this morning I had a good laugh also. Then I reviewed the total comment including the attack on the Boy Scouts and the Salvation Army and almost spilled my coffee too.
Hahaha!
[ edited by Helenjw on May 26, 2004 05:19 AM ]
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cblev65252
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posted on May 26, 2004 05:20:40 AM new
Helen
You're welcome. Some remarks here are just so way out there they scream paranoia. And I should know, I've seen paranoia up close. LOL!
Cheryl
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