posted on June 27, 2004 08:05:32 PM new
My point, linda12, is that whenever you're asked a direct question that you may have a little difficulty answering you disappear?
posted on June 27, 2004 08:35:17 PM new
bunni - Even the World Socialist Web Site www.wsws.org said he was "in the post known as a left critic of American Society".
He used to write for the Nation, the Guardian etc.
What changed a ultra-ultra liberal around to reviewing his own position? Clinton's actions and 9-11 So it just goes to show that even the most liberal can come to their senses.
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And no, not everyone who posted here, besides myself was a rightie.
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I understand that when a leftie reviews a leftie film....in a very negative way, many here aren't going to like it. Kind of like when Horowitz changed his political positions.
posted on June 27, 2004 08:39:56 PM new
Several years ago Christopher Hitchens was somewhat left. Now he is very closely aligned with Bush...along with David Corn, Marc Cooper, and Todd Gitlin.
posted on June 27, 2004 08:47:01 PM new
From what I've read about him sounds to be like he FOR defending this country...something the democratic party can't be trust to do.
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lefties commenting on this movie.
neroter
cheryl
profe
kraftdinner
getalife
fenix
no...they didn't post a review of it as I did. But they DID comment on it and they're not 'righties'.
posted on June 27, 2004 09:05:50 PM new
linda12onesource says,
"something the democratic party can't be trust to do."
I think she meant "trusted" but....linda, my father was a Democrat and he, UNLIKE GEORGE BUSH, fought a war to defend our country.
And, how nice of you to just brush away all the sacrifices Democrats have made in all our wars...nice of you to wipe away what some veterans did because they happen to be Democrats......ya know, it would be nice to support our troops no matter what their political affiliations are because they went into battle and risked their lives for us UNLIKE GEORGE BUSH who gladly sends other people to die but couldn't pull himself out of the bottle long enough to do HIS duty!
[ edited by crowfarm on Jun 27, 2004 09:14 PM ]
posted on June 27, 2004 09:06:28 PM new
And just how willing is Moore to defend what he portrays in his movie.....NOT AT ALL.
taken from the wonderful review I posted:
"Moore has announced that he won't even appear on TV shows where he might face hostile questioning. I notice from the New York Times of June 20 that he has pompously established a rapid response team, and a fact-checking staff, and some tough lawyers, to bulwark himself against attack.
He'll sue, Moore says, if anyone insults him or his pet. Some right-wing hack groups, I gather, are planning to bring pressure on their local movie theaters to drop the film. How dumb or thuggish do you have to be in order to counter one form of stupidity and cowardice with another? By all means go and see this terrible film, and take your friends, and if the fools in the audience strike up one cry, in favor of surrender or defeat, feel free to join in the conversation.
However, I think we can agree that the film is so flat-out phony that "fact-checking" is beside the point. And as for the scary lawyers--get a life, or maybe see me in court.
But I offer this, to Moore and to his rapid response rabble. Any time, Michael my boy. Let's redo Telluride. Any show. Any place. Any platform. Let's see what you're made of.
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hiding from answering any questions pretty much says he isn't willing to be challenged or defend his work. That's cowardly behavior.
posted on June 27, 2004 09:11:51 PM new
linda12, the Bush's and their close personal friends, the bin Ladens, and their business partners, the Saudis, appreciate everyone like you.
posted on June 27, 2004 09:13:15 PM new
linda12 says,"hiding from answering any questions pretty much says he isn't willing to be challenged or defend his work. That's cowardly behavior"
Kinda like you avoiding my question about Bush's and Kerry's military service??????????
posted on June 27, 2004 09:49:20 PM new
I'm suspicious about that statement regarding "hostile interviews" in your review, Linda. The thing is, do a search, and the only time it comes up is in that particular review...and blogs or sites quoting from that particular review. So when did he say it? Who did he say it to?
As for the facts in the movie--most of them were ones I remembered reading about when they happened. "Fact checking" is relatively easy to do in a case like that. But unless you go to see the film, you will never know what actual facts are mentioned, will you.
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posted on June 27, 2004 10:05:13 PM new
linda12 says,"hiding from answering any questions pretty much says he isn't willing to be challenged or defend his work. That's cowardly behavior. ""
Kinda like linda.
""ABCNEWS.com : Moore Responds to Challenges Over Film
Michael Moore says his new film, ... Is OnFilmmaker Michael Moore Takes on Factual Challenges ... 20, 2004—. Michael Moore's controversial new movie, Fahrenheit 9 ... George Stephanopoulos visited with Moore in his hometown of ...""
""MSNBC - Moore defends incendiary film
... Michael Moore talks to Matt Lauer about this controversial new movie, “Fahrenheit 9/11.”. Dateline NBC. Moore defends ... Filmmaker Michael Moore serves up a ...""
posted on June 27, 2004 10:11:37 PM new
Be fair. It's not that Linda is lying. It's just that she takes as gospel what conservative news sources tell her, and never looks for herself.
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posted on June 27, 2004 10:15:59 PM new
Well,ya, bunni, you're right(as usual).
But it was kind of a dig because her only argument she ever gives me is "you're lying".
posted on June 27, 2004 10:19:43 PM new
Have not seen the movie, but will. I HAVE read up on Mr. Moore and he is an elitist. I am not impressed by the man's public behavior. The liberals are reeeeeally desperate for a figurehead for their cause (whatever the heck it is).
The liberals are sure busy howling at a full Moore.
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You know...the best way to defeat a liberal is to let them speak.
posted on June 27, 2004 10:22:21 PM new
actually, it is the conservatives who are "howling."
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posted on June 27, 2004 10:41:41 PM newBut unless you go to see the film, you will never know what actual facts are mentioned, will you.
No, bunni that's why I had ask if you'd share your opinion, so we could discuss it. But you chose not to....your choice.
And yes, I'd believe someone how is referred to in all the google searches I did as previously being an unabashed liberal whose has changed his position over someone like Moore. You bet.
posted on June 27, 2004 10:55:26 PM new
Linda, as I already said, I did that search. Only your reviewer, and people quoting him, give that tidbit of information.
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I commented on how busy I am right now and "noted" that I'd like to see the movie. It would be very hard for me to comment on this movie since I haven't even seen it and don't know totally what it is about (I'm trying to avoid that so it doesn't spoil the movie for me). I said I'd like to see it (I also mentioned Shrek 2). However, once I do see it, you can be guaranteed that I will comment on it.
Edited to add: Commenting on the movie would be: I liked the movie, it was true. What a truthful movie. I especially liked. . . . I didn't like. . . . It is not "I'd like to see it".
If that were the case, all the book reports I had to do in school would have been a breeze. I could have just said, "I'd like to read . . . ." I'm afraid I wouldn't have gotten away with that. LOL!
Cheryl
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It's not that Linda is lying. It's just that she takes as gospel what conservative news sources tell her, and never looks for herself.
I have the same problem with my brother. Instead of doing is own investigations and research, he relies on what he reads - and only things coming from the conservative camp. I don't think he even hears what I tell him most of the time. He tries to talk over me. I noticed that a lot with some conservatives. Some think if they talk louder than you, they will drown you out.
There are some people are just single-minded and there's not much you can do about it.
posted on June 28, 2004 05:13:17 AM new
Linda_K, You better get some help nearly 20% of the replies to this post are yours. You seem to be on this board 24/7. That borderlines on the obsessed. You really need some help to get a life back. No kidding you really need to take a hard look at yourself with help. I am worried you won't be able to handle it when John Kerry wins this fall.
posted on June 28, 2004 05:28:29 AM new
my oh my isn't it cute how the liar crowfart has such a low intelligence he can't even tell that we are not one and the same poster...
after all considering that this troll has had an id here since 2000 and is just now using it, is quite amusing..
Edited out a post saying he was leaving the boards... "changed his mind" lie #1
talk about not answering questions... he has refused to answer who is original id is... lie #2
just ignore crowfart linda... troll, nothing more...
posted on June 28, 2004 06:17:00 AM new
Twelvepole, So you're the new protector of the crabby crone? While I've been sitting you in the corner, you really needed a rocking chair rather than an uncomfortable stool. I'm so sorry, twelvepole.
It's amazing how much attention you pay to those you target with the "low intelligence" allegation. Crowfarm should apply to mensa. Your targets are always those with the highest intelligence.
posted on June 28, 2004 06:23:43 AM new
Linda needs no protecting from the likes of you and crowfart... just thought I would let people see that crowfart does the same things he accuses others of... just as you do.
(Reuters Photo) 'Fahrenheit 9/11' a No. 1 Hit Across America
June 28, 2004 — By Dean Goodman
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bush-bashing became the nation's favorite spectator sport over the weekend as Michael Moore's red-hot documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" earned more in its first three days of release across North America than his previous record-breaking movie did in its entire run.
According to studio estimates issued on Sunday, "Fahrenheit 9/11," in which Moore takes aim at President Bush, and the war in Iraq, opened at No. 1 after selling about $21.8 million worth of tickets in the United States and Canada since June 25.
All told, the movie's total stands at $21.96 million, because it got a head-start on Wednesday in two Manhattan theaters to help build more media buzz before expanding to a relatively modest 868 theaters two days later. (By contrast, most of the other movies in the top five were playing in more than 2,500 theaters each.)
Moore's previous movie, "Bowling for Columbine," which nabbed the Academy Award for best documentary last year, grossed about $21.5 million during its nine-month run, peaking at about 250 theaters, according to Moore. That haul was a record for a documentary in regular movie theaters.
"These are mind-blowing numbers," Moore said during a conference call, "And the fact that all the predictions that the movie would only speak to the choir and that it would only be those who don't like Bush coming to the movie, I don't think have turned out to be true."
Indeed, "Fahrenheit 9/11" played strongly in big cities and small towns, in Democrat and Republican states, said Tom Ortenberg, the president of distribution at Lions Gate Films, one of the firms that backed the movie.
"FAHRENHEIT" FRENZY
According to exit surveys in about 15 cities, 91 percent of respondents gave the film an "excellent" rating, while 93 percent said they would "definitely recommend" the film -- tallies that Ortenberg said were the best he had ever seen. The core audience was aged between 25 and 34, he added.
The Disney brouhaha, which broke in early May, weeks before "Fahrenheit 9/11" went on to win the top prize at the Cannes Film Festival, helped give the movie a huge public profile virtually unprecedented for a $6 million documentary.
Moore and the Weinsteins, well-practiced masters of media spin, were also helped in their efforts by grassroots groups from both sides of the political fence that chimed in with their opinions. Moore thanked his detractors for helping boost awareness and ticket sales.
While Moore has previously boasted that "Fahrenheit 9/11" would help Bush lose his job in November, he backed down during the teleconference, merely hoping that the film would inspire the large non-voting bloc to be "an active participant in our democracy." Similarly, Moore reversed himself on previously stated plans to release the DVD version of the film in October. "No deal has been done to do that," he said.
But one thing is certain. The Oscar race is now definitely underway ahead of next year's Feb. 27 ceremony, with "Fahrenheit 9/11" joining Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" as the highest-profile contender. "We have big plans for the award season, absolutely," Ortenberg said.
I'm afraid I wouldn't have gotten away with that. LOL!