posted on July 1, 2004 02:58:31 PM new
No, reamond: those are the results of what we have accomplished.
No matter what you may think, WOMD are/were there. It's not about oil, it's about stability in the region, and establishing a foothold in an area. Like any beach head, you attack where it will be easiest to do the most good. Of course, liberal biast doesn't understand that.
In Christ,
Rick
Luke 12:48
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on July 1, 2004 03:17:12 PM new
Coffee, I think you're a little naive about this one: It's not about oil, it's about stability in the region
Whatever 'good' we do over there is a just a by-product. But we can focus on it, if it makes us feel better because surely the underling oil factor will never come to light, (unless somebody messes up big time like Nixon did) and there's not much else to take away from the whole thing with any dignity left as an American that had to go over there. I am glad the Iraquies can have democracy. I really am. But I refuse to kid myself into thinking their isnt some deeper motive which usually leads right to the almighty dollar.
There has never been a war based on just presumtive goodwill for another country.
edited to add a funny: The way that medical solider was looking down his throat back then, you'd think he was hiding the WOMD's down there!!!
[ edited by neroter12 on Jul 1, 2004 03:19 PM ]
posted on July 1, 2004 03:45:28 PM new
I thought all along that the invaision of Iraq was due to WOMDs and the war on terrorism
That is what Bush said for his reasons to go to war. Then his tune changed when there weren't any. I wonder what he will say after the troops are all pulled out.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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posted on July 1, 2004 04:51:30 PM newBear, your fantasy that you and Twelvepole are the only posters on this thread who can appreciate and understand the concepts of duty, honor and country is typical, unjustified arrogance. People all over the world understand these concepts...not just the U.S. military. The Iraqis in Kirkuk with "Lorie Bright" understand them too.
Helen all you understand of "duty Honor & Country" is what you have read. You have no experience in the true meaning of the words. A true word warrior is what you are Helen and the only thing you have ever placed on the line is your dictionary.
I know you libs have trouble reading without moving you lips, but for once try.
"The natural family is a man and woman bound in a lifelong covenant of marriage for the purposes of:
*the continuation of the human species,
*the rearing of children,
*the regulation of sexuality,
*the provision of mutual support and protection,
*the creation of an altruistic domestic economy, and
*the maintenance of bonds between the generations."
posted on July 1, 2004 08:10:46 PM new
So ChristianCoffee - you seem to posit that even if there was no oil in Iraq and neighboring countries, we would still be there "stabilizing" and creating "beach heads" ?
posted on July 1, 2004 08:15:32 PM newNo matter what you may think, WOMD are/were there.
Just like jesus is here too ? You can't see him and there isn't any physical evidence of him being here, yet YOU KNOW he's here. Jeusus and WOMDs are all around aren't they ?
Well sorry CC, the rational sane world requires proof before asserting something exists.
posted on July 1, 2004 10:17:28 PM new
Logic indicates that in the production of munitions, whether small arms, artillery or bombs, the manufacturing process would not stop at only 15 to 20 rounds. Since in this instance where 16 or 17 artillery shells containing sarin or mustard gas have been located you can bet that more came off the assembly line. These aren't orphans.
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Iraqi chemical weapons found by Polish troops
Sec. Rumsfeld informed at NATO summit
of recent discovery of undeclared WMD
"Now these are weapons that we always knew Saddam Hussein had that he had not declared, and they have tested them, and I have not seen them, and I have not tested them, but they believe that they are correct that these, in fact, were undeclared chemical weapons ... ," Rumsfeld told radio talk host Roger Hedgecock in an interview transcribed and posted on the Department of Defense website. (url]http://www.dod.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040630-secdef0949.html[/url]
Rumsfeld said he was told of the discovery of the "quite lethal" chemical weapons by the Polish minister of defense at the NATO summit in Turkey last weekend.
The troops had made the find "within the last period of days" before the summit, he said.
Arguing for the difficulty of finding WMD in a country the size of California, Rumsfeld pointed out the hole where ousted dictator Saddam Hussein was captured "was probably big enough to hold chemical and biological weapons sufficient to kill tens of thousands of people."
Rumsfeld also mentioned the U.S. had found jet aircraft Hussein's regime had buried in sand.
Hedgecock asked Rumsfeld to comment on published reports that Syria is hiding Iraq's WMD.
The defense secretary acknowledged "there have been a lot of intelligence speculation and rumors and chatter about the fact that Saddam Hussein may have placed some of his weapons of mass destruction in Syria prior to the start of the war."
But he said, "Until that can be validated and proved, you’ll find people in the administration not talking about it."
"The natural family is a man and woman bound in a lifelong covenant of marriage for the purposes of:
*the continuation of the human species,
*the rearing of children,
*the regulation of sexuality,
*the provision of mutual support and protection,
*the creation of an altruistic domestic economy, and
*the maintenance of bonds between the generations."
posted on July 1, 2004 10:47:24 PM newIraqi chemical weapons found by Polish troops Sec. Rumsfeld informed at NATO summit of recent discovery of undeclared WMD
"Now these are weapons that we always knew Saddam Hussein had that he had not declared, and they have tested them, and I have not seen them, and I have not tested them, but they believe that they are correct that these, in fact, were undeclared chemical weapons ... ," Rumsfeld told radio talk host Roger Hedgecock in an interview transcribed and posted on the Department of Defense website.
""There is no doubt that the warheads contain chemical weapons," Defense Minister Jerzy Szmajdzinski told TVN24. "The problem is what period they came from, whether the (Persian) Gulf War or earlier, and whether they were usable, partly usable or not at all."
Rumsfeld also mentioned the U.S. had found jet aircraft Hussein's regime had buried in sand.
Yes, aircraft that were unusable, having been partially disassembled & buried in such a way that they were ruined.
The defense secretary acknowledged "there have been a lot of intelligence speculation and rumors and chatter about the fact that Saddam Hussein may have placed some of his weapons of mass destruction in Syria prior to the start of the war."
So why didn't Bush invade Syria? We keep hearing "they hid the WMDs in Syria".
But he said, "Until that can be validated and proved, you’ll find people in the administration not talking about it."
That's never stopped them before...
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[ edited by bunnicula on Jul 1, 2004 10:50 PM ]
posted on July 2, 2004 06:30:39 AM new
"Just like Jesus is here too ? You can't see him and there isn't any physical evidence of him being here, yet YOU KNOW he's here. Jesus and WOMDs are all around aren't they ?
Well sorry CC, the rational sane world requires proof before asserting something exists."
Here we go, the weak and all un-knowledgeable reamond at work again. As usual, his silliness and inability to support his opinions has led him to once again insult Christians.
Of course, his living in a fantasy world where he evolved from an ape may have something to do with it: after all, apes react in predictable ways to outside stimuli.
The evidence is there for those who take the time to honestly look. Unfortunately, there are those who are so blinded by their bigotry and hatred that they will never see.
In Christ,
Rick
John 6:32-59
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on July 2, 2004 07:02:51 AM new
christian coffee says, "Here we go, the weak and all un-knowledgeable reamond at work again. As usual, his silliness and inability to support his opinions has led him to once again insult Christians.
Of course, his living in a fantasy world where he evolved from an ape may have something to do with it: after all, apes react in predictable ways to outside stimuli.
The evidence is there for those who take the time to honestly look. Unfortunately, there are those who are so blinded by their bigotry and hatred that they will never see.
"""
Once again a statement like this from one of those "loving" christians proves what nasty,name calling, insulting, bigots they really are.....talk about bigotry...they have it in spades!
posted on July 2, 2004 08:08:09 AM newHere we go, the weak and all un-knowledgeable reamond at work again. As usual, his silliness and inability to support his opinions has led him to once again insult Christians.
Knowledge must have an evidencial basis in reality. Faith has no basis in reality or it would be knowledge. CC confuses the two.
"Of course, his living in a fantasy world where he evolved from an ape may have something to do with it: after all, apes react in predictable ways to outside stimuli."
There is testable evidence of evolution, but there is no evidence of creation. Who talks of fantasy the christian or the atheist ? Ohhh, Slam dunk.
The evidence is there for those who take the time to honestly look. Unfortunately, there are those who are so blinded by their bigotry and hatred that they will never see.
I agree with the above CC, you have stated the problems with the religious very well.
We were lied to about Iraq in order for Bush to invade and occupy, and we did it for oil. Bush isn't interested in terrorism or he would have taken control of our borders years ago.
posted on July 2, 2004 09:34:29 AM new
Denial. a libs best defense.....
"The natural family is a man and woman bound in a lifelong covenant of marriage for the purposes of:
*the continuation of the human species,
*the rearing of children,
*the regulation of sexuality,
*the provision of mutual support and protection,
*the creation of an altruistic domestic economy, and
*the maintenance of bonds between the generations."
posted on July 2, 2004 12:44:18 PM new
Here is one Marine's thoughts on the war. It is what he is having to deal with not that he no longer fighting. The article talks about his combat duty, why he left the service, and why he protested the war with his mother.
The article is long so I won't post it, but rather give you the link.
posted on July 2, 2004 01:17:11 PM new
Linda: No logansdad - He did NOT give only one reason....he listed several..womd being one of them.
You are right, Bush insisted WMD's were present in Iraq, and Saddam was building a nuclear arsenal. There was also the suspected link between Iraq and 9/11. Let's not forget the alleged Iraqi-ordered assassination attempt on George H. W. Bush
Are there any that I am missing? I haven't found any articles saying this was a humanitarian effort where Bush wanted to liberate the Iraqi people.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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All Things Just Keep Getting Better
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
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