posted on July 5, 2004 09:07:17 PM new
DADOFSTICKBOY, Maybe you can answer this question for me. How many people in the U.S. are unemployed wheather they want to work or not. You are saying anyone can find a job if they want to and that the unemployment problem is caused by people that don't want to work or find a job. Anyway you want to look at it UNEMPLOYMENT is still a very big problem in the U.S. If its a U.S. problem don't you think this government should know how big the problem is? Don't you think its this governments job to to tell its people what they think is causing the unemployment problem. If what you say is true don't you think this government should tell it people, there is no unemployment problem in the U.S. Its just that 6 million or 8 million or maybe 12 million people just don't want to find a job and go to work. Please just answer a simply question HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE UNEMPLOYED IN THE U.S.of A.
posted on July 5, 2004 09:11:43 PM new
Linda_K come on your a smart gal and do all kinds of research. The question is HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE UNEMPLOYED IN THE U.S. can you answer, can you give us a number?
posted on July 5, 2004 09:32:23 PM new
bigpeepa - According to the link provided 1.5 million are [marginally] unemployed. The defination of marginally unemployed means certain criteria have to be met. ONE of them is to be actively LOOKING for a job.
Please just answer a simply question HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE UNEMPLOYED IN THE U.S.of A.
As far as how many people are unemployed:
I have no Clue!
Do You?
And please don't Copy & Paste some B.S. report as a response!
Yes: any one who wants to work can find a job.
You may not get the Job of your dreams, but you will be working!
Anything is good till something better comes along!
How many people here on this board are working?
Don't answer.
Whether or not you are working for yourself,or someone else, How did you get your Job?
Answer to yourselves.
Yes: I feel that a big part of the problem is caused by people who don't want to work.
A lot of them may want to work, but feel they want to take a break, and collect some benefits. This makes the #'s go up.
Yes:
The government knows how big a problem it is.
Why: is it the Governments job to tell the people to get off their asses?
Hitler:
Found jobs for every Man, Woman, and child.
Is that what you want here to motivate the people?
If what you say is true don't you think this government should tell it people, there is no unemployment problem in the U.S. Its just that 6 million or 8 million or maybe 12 million people just don't want to find a job and go to work.
You have the right idea, at last your catching on!
The big problem is the Government only tells them to fill out the required papers and they will be getting a check shortly in the mail!
posted on July 6, 2004 07:00:45 AM new
Linda_K, LOL its good to see you have a sense of humor with that repay. Like I said before we will never know how many Americans are unemployed under this government. Simply put this government does not tell its people the truth about many issues.
LETS OUTSOURCE BUSH AND CHENEY BEFORE ITS TO LATE.
posted on July 6, 2004 11:07:46 AM new
Yup - this Bush economy is just humming along. Is it too late in Bush's term to still blame Clinton?
Stocks Tumble on Oil, Profit Warnings
July 6, 2004 — By Megan Davies
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Stocks fell on Tuesday as investors were spooked by a hike in oil prices to nearly $40 a barrel and a spate of profit warnings, which hit technology-related stocks.
The tech-laced Nasdaq Composite index fell more than 2 percent to its lowest point in a month.
Shares of Veritas Software fell about 36 percent, after the company said it will post weaker-than-expected second-quarter results, citing sluggish sales.
In addition, communication chip makers were under pressure after Lehman Brothers said demand is lackluster and cut its ratings on four stocks.
The Dow Jones industrial average was down 67.17 points, or 0.65 percent, at 10,215.66. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index was down 9.90 points, or 0.88 percent, at 1,115.48. The technology-laced Nasdaq Composite Index was down 41.13 points, or 2.05 percent, at 1,965.53 - its lowest since June 3.
Oil prices rose after the weekend attacks on Iraqi oil pipelines cut exports. Crude prices climbed more than $1 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange to $39.50.
Crude oil is a component of almost every sector of the economy, including manufacturing and transportation, and higher oil prices can immediately erode corporate profits.
A report on the vast U.S. services sector of the economy contributed to the downbeat mood as it fell short of expectations.
The Institute for Supply Management's monthly nonmanufacturing index fell to 59.9 in June from 65.2 in May. Wall Street analysts had been looking for a dip to 63.0.
"Concerns are starting to mount that the economy does not really have as big a head a steam as everyone had hoped," Paul Cherney, chief market analyst at Standard & Poor's, said.
The number of unemployed persons, 8.2 million, was essentially unchanged
in June, and the unemployment rate held steady at 5.6 percent. The unemploy-
ment rate has been 5.6 percent in all but one month this year.
The 1.5 million designated as "marginally" attached to the labor force were not counted as unemployed.
posted on July 6, 2004 03:22:48 PM new
dadofstickboy, you wrote, "I have no Clue!" it takes guys like you hundreds of words to finally admit that you have "no clue" how many people are unemployed in this country.
LETS OUTSOURCE DOUBLE TALKING PEOPLE LIKE BUSH AND CHENEY IN NOVEMBER ALONG WITH THEIR SUPPORTERS THAT DON'T HAVE A CLUE.
John Kerry is traveling the nation on his misery tour, inundating voters with his pessimism about America's economy. What voters may not realize, however, is that the growing economy that Kerry continues to talk down is remarkably similar to the economy Bill Clinton touted during his 1996 reelection campaign and that Kerry speaks of in glowing terms.
Unemployment was 5.6 percent in May 1996, the exact same level as it is now. The average monthly payroll growth from January to May 1996 was 233,000 jobs, and from January to May 2004 the economy created an average of 238,000 jobs each month. Many key economic indicators are stronger today than in 1996, including GDP growth and homeownership.
President Bush's leadership has helped America overcome great challenges, including 9/11, war and recession. As a result of the President's pro-growth policies, America's economy today is strong and getting stronger-even stronger than Bill Clinton's 1996 economy.
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 6, 2004 03:44 PM ]
posted on July 6, 2004 06:15:21 PM newUnemployment was 5.6 percent in May 1996, the exact same level as it is now.
There is no way the above claim can be made. 5.6% represents those actively collecting unemployment insurance and does not count those whose benefits have run out, or who took lower paying jobs, or who took part time jobs.
But I would bet that under Clinton's economic leadership those whose benefits had run out, or who took lower paying jobs, or who took part time jobs, were quite a but less than under that liar and retard George Bush.
posted on July 6, 2004 06:26:55 PM new
You lefties are either stupid or playing stupid. The bubble burst and the economy was in a nose dive before Bush was even elected. My stocks crashed on Bill Clinton's watch. If Bush didn't jumpstart the economy with tax cuts, we'd still be in a recession.
"I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
posted on July 6, 2004 06:54:52 PM new
Then of course, there's always kerry's way not creating new jobs.
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Sen. John Kerry is the clear favorite and at this point will be hard to beat. But Edwards more than rivals him in many ways and on many issues. We are also very troubled by how out of touch Kerry was with an economic development project — the proposed Excelsior Energy power plant that holds the potential of 1,000 construction jobs and 500 permanent jobs — on the Range.
An energy bill currently being debated in Congress contains, because of the hard work of Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., $800 million in federal loan guarantees for the project that could serve as a vital catalyst for private investment in the $1.2 billion clean-energy coal gasification plant.
Kerry was one of five senators who signed a letter last year calling the provision of loan guarantees for the Range project "pork." That's bull. To sign such a letter at the same time he is campaigning on investing in new jobs in the country makes him, on that issue, a "walking contradiction" — which is a label he has given to President George W. Bush.
edited to add....reamond, I don't remember at what exact point during clinton's administration it was....but the total unemployment rate was over 11 million.
Face it we're doing better whether the left wants to admit it or not. Especially when compared to other countries unemployment rates.
posted on July 6, 2004 07:18:15 PM new
Nobody I know who wants a job is lacking for one.
At my wife's place of employment(housekeeping), they pay 11.00 per hour (the median wage here is 12.28 per hour) plus .36 a mile on days when the employees use their own car.
They are always looking for help due to the work ethic of todays employees.
For those that are truly concerned about unemployment, think of all the things you purchase that are produced in foreign countries (Buy American).
The Bush Tax cuts will stimulate the economy, but you want overnight results. These things work in cycles and it is swinging back for the good. Whoever is in office for the next 4 years (BUSH) will reap the praise.
Sure, we could do better than Bush and I wish there was an alternative, but at this time there is not.
posted on July 6, 2004 09:16:22 PM new
Gene, I am glad all is well with your family. Your wife's pay of $11.00 an hour with full benefits like health insurance is good. If she doesn't have benefits this old man is here to tell you, you are voting for the wrong party. In 1961 as a young man I was moving furniture for a living. I was making $8.50 per hour then so 43 years later $11.00 an hour doesn't look to good to me. There has been a lot of replies to my original question and so far no one has been able to answer it. My original question was HOW MANY ARE UNEMPLOYED IN THE U.S. Take a few minutes and review the posts from some of your party members. I bet you will see how people like Linda_K are making a fool of themselves buy trying to confuse the issues with all her copy and paste posts. She and others like her can't answer the question but try to muddy the issue with lots and lots of blah blah.
Please read my 9:07:17 post it kind of goes along with your thoughts. Don't get me wrong like John Edwards I didn't grow up in a rich family. I am 100% and always have been for hard working people like your wife. For the rest of my life I will work only for hard working people and not the rich greedy republicans. No way will I be happy that the rich are getting richer from you wife's hard work while they pay her $11.00 and hour in the year 2004.
posted on July 6, 2004 09:46:44 PM new
I do not know how many people are out of work and I think it is a hard question to accurately answer as both sides skew the methods of calculation and therefore the final numbers to meet their needs. I do believe it is more than it was in 2000, but believe it is an economic cycle not a product of the Bush presidency.
My wife makes 11.00 an hour, but consider she is 43yo and until I met her 5 years ago, she lived her whole life with her ex husband both collecting disability.
What was the problem?
They both are deaf and all their lives, people told them they could not work and to sit home and collect the checks they were entitled to.
I am a firm believer in individual responsibility and control of you own destiny.
I have a close friend who post here (I should add, that when we met, we were both conservitive republicans but he has since drifted away or as he says "the party in catering to the extreems has drifted away from him" while I have become more conservative. However, we remain best freinds.), and I always tell him these economic downturns do not effect me because I refuse to participate.
Now her income supplements mine and she has come to enjoy having things she never could afford before.
To this day, her ex wonders why she works when she can sit home and get her ~550.00 a month.
I can tell you she enjoys contributing.
I think a lot of it is a matter of perception. Before my prior wife died, we had 3 children and for several years lived on 15,000 a year and still enjoyed ourselves.
From that time though to this day, I try not to buy anything on credit. If I can not afford it, I save the cash till I can. I believe this provides some of my resistance to economic changes.
In the end, I think the Liberals instill a sense of entitlement in people and stifle self sufficiency so I will vote not for Bush but for a Republican.
Gene
[ edited by scrabblegod on Jul 6, 2004 09:57 PM ]
posted on July 6, 2004 09:56:56 PM newNobody I know who wants a job is lacking for one.
What about the other 2 million people ?
At my wife's place of employment(housekeeping), they pay 11.00 per hour (the median wage here is 12.28 per hour) plus .36 a mile on days when the employees use their own car.They are always looking for help due to the work ethic of todays employees.
So how many million is this cleaning company hiring this week?
For those that are truly concerned about unemployment, think of all the things you purchase that are produced in foreign countries (Buy American).
You're kidding right ?
The Bush Tax cuts will stimulate the economy, but you want overnight results.
You mean the $600 tax cut last year ? The tax cuts won't stimulate the economy because the tax cuts weren't given to consumers, the vast amount of tax cuts went to wealthy people and it didn't impact their consumption one bit. How many cars can one millionaire drive ?
These things work in cycles and it is swinging back for the good. Whoever is in office for the next 4 years (BUSH) will reap the praise.
Yeah, the cycle was Reagan Bush = bad economy for 12 years, then Clinton = great economy for 8 years, Bush= bad economy again.
Sure, we could do better than Bush and I wish there was an alternative, but at this time there is not.
posted on July 7, 2004 12:26:28 AM new
linda says,"""An energy bill currently being debated in Congress contains, because of the hard work of Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., $800 million in federal loan guarantees for the project that could serve as a vital catalyst for private investment in the $1.2 billion clean-energy coal gasification plant.
Kerry was one of five senators who signed a letter last year calling the provision of loan guarantees for the Range project "pork." That's bull. To sign such a letter at the same time he is campaigning on investing in new jobs in the country makes him, on that issue, a "walking contradiction" — which is a label he has given to President George W. Bush. """
If Coleman is involved it's pork! And 500 jobs were NOT guaranteed and Minnesota needs THOUSANDS of jobs not the "promise" a measly 500 so Republicans can line their pockets.
posted on July 7, 2004 11:44:22 AM newmore government isn't the answer?
Well apparently it is if it is a privacy issue, such as reproductive rights, or what books you check out of the library, or how about the deficit Bush is running up for our grand children, just a few examples of the "more government" the republicans have given us.
At least the dems offer productive use of government. Clinton got the budget under control and was actually running a surplus with a booming economy to boot.
Governmet in the proper hands can accomplish great things.
In the wrong hands we have the situation we have now.
posted on July 7, 2004 07:35:46 PM new
Are all of us selling on E-Bay unemployed? If so that sucks because I have to turn it in on my income tax. Shouldn't have to do that being unemployed.
posted on July 7, 2004 07:53:05 PM new
MAH645, If you sell on Ebay you should be alright reporting your sales to the I.R.S. With the economy so bad most sales on ebay suck. You can report a business loss for three years. I almost forgot you can also claim health insurance payments if you have any being self-employed. My health insurance payments for 3 people run $850.00 per month for a bad policy. That is just one more reason WE HAVE TO OUTSOURCE BUSH/CHENEY BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. Hell if I had heart problems like Cheney has they would have my house and I will bet Cheney didn't pay one penny for his care.
[ edited by bigpeepa on Jul 7, 2004 08:05 PM ]
posted on July 7, 2004 08:32:25 PM new
reamond - clinton didn't have 9-11 to deal with either. The recession was just beginning as he left office. Over 400,000 jobs were lost in Oct. 2001 alone, following 9-11. He didn't have the cost of war going into Afghanistan to break up the Taliban there.
Many things he didn't have to deal with. This President has done a great job of bring our economy around. Check out the numbers....some are showing growth larger than what's happened in the last 20 years. We're way ahead of the other countries who are still stuggling with 9% unemployment rates...and economies that are less than 1/2 of how well ours are doing.
