posted on July 11, 2004 07:20:35 AM new
So crowfarm according to you murderers and homosexual childmolestors are ok, because they too are outside the "norm"
Figures... see folks how the left thinks or in crowfarms case doesn't...
posted on July 11, 2004 08:19:44 AM new
Neroter, just like you there are parts of the "gay lifestyle" that I do not understand - the whole drag queen aspect- if a gay man is gay why does he need to feel the need to dress as a woman. But then again there are straight men that like to dress as women as well so who knows. I am sure there are aspects of the straight lifestyle that you find appalling or difficult to understand. To each there own and that is what this country is all about.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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posted on July 11, 2004 08:25:51 AM new
Support what? that people are born heterosxual?
No silly you have yet to support why you feel gays choose to be gay. Since you obviously can't understand my previous examples let me make it more simpler for you.
You and I are walking down the road when a person offers each of us an ice cream cone. You accept it, I do not. Why do you choose to accept the ice cream cone and I don't.
This is a choice we both made. We were both faced with the same opportunity/challenge but each one of us decided to do something different.
You keep saying everyone starts out being straight and then some choose to be gay. Well if some choose to be gay everyone must have been given a choice to either remain straight or become gay otherwise everyone would still be straight. What about this don't you understand??
The real answer is that I just shot a hole in theory and you can't defend you point of view anymore. If you need help from your conservative friend my all mean ask them for help.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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posted on July 11, 2004 08:30:29 AM new
How do you explain murderers logansdad? are they born as well? or do they make a choice?
Some people choose to be murders some do not. Some people plan their crimes before hand while some are just victims of circumstance - ie those that kill out of rage.
Teddy Bundy chose to be a murder. If I killed an intruder that broke into my house, yes I would still be a murder but I did not choose to be one. I did it out of fear for my life and because that person broke into my house. The intruder choose to break into my home.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
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posted on July 11, 2004 08:33:24 AM new
Oh and if the paper means so little to you... why the big push for marriage? You have said yourself you don't need it...
I am doing it for equal treatment, for all those gay people in the next generation that should have the right to get married just like the previous generation of gay men and women who had fought for anti-discrimination laws and marched for gay rights.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
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posted on July 11, 2004 12:52:01 PM new
The fact is, this is a serious change being URGED upon our culture. A profound change that has very real and possibly detrimental effects. As a youth I wondered at marriage, common law marriage, and partnership. Marriage is a partnership, but partnership is not a marriage.
Here is one definition:
Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: 'mar-ij
Function: noun
1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law
By this definition, you could marry two same sex people in a legal and ecumenical ceremony and still not have a marriage.
But the whiners don't want a new word like joiniage or partneriage, they want us to redefine an accepted word to include the relationships THEY want included. This is all about revising THINKING and attempting to mainstream convoluted and extreme life styles to please a SMALL minority that doesn't care what applecarts they upset in their crusade.
You could make all the laws in the world, and criminalize the reference of marriage as being between opposite sexes; people will still think the way they want to think. And, of course, if you are trying to alter thinking that has been around since the caveman you have a loooong row to hoe.
It won't happen, not in THIS century. Settle down back there, don't make me stop this car.
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posted on July 11, 2004 02:39:37 PM new
I don't know about ping-pong, but parklane64 just made the same arguments that white supremeisists make and used for the "separate but equal" doctrine.
posted on July 11, 2004 02:54:22 PM new
LAST TIME LOGANSDAD... you need psycho therapy, I am not going to give that to you here... that is what you need and why are you afraid to get it?
Why do you expect a message board to solve your lifestyle choices?
Only you know why you made the choice you did... try getting some therapy will ya...
You need help, they have help at a lot of places for homosexuals who have made a bad choice... why do you refuse to get some?
Do you keep asking the question because you are so unhappy at being homosexual that you need a reason for the choice you made?
either that or you're one dense SOB
You have gained no support for your cause, as I have said the backlash to homosexuals will increase as this abomination increases...
If Kerry comes out for homosexuals, he will in all likely lose the southern states...
Yep... thank you homosexuals...
Senate starting debating on the amendment Friday...
posted on July 11, 2004 05:17:42 PM new
Twelve, did you ever stop and think people are born gay and you chose to be straight.
Of course not because that would not support your view.
I think you are the one that needs help because you still feel all gay people should be exterminated.
Why dont you bring this up at your next Narth meeting.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on July 11, 2004 05:25:32 PM new
Parklane, do you feel marriage is religion based or civil based?
Based on your defintion I would guess you take marriage to be based upon religion.
The first amendment guarantees the right to freedom of religion and freedom from government interference. Therefore Bush's proposed amendement would be against my freedom of religion. Furthermore the 1st amendment enforces separation of church and state. Again Bush's amendment would be in violation of the 1st amendment.
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. See U.S. Const. amend. I. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments.
Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The establishment clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. It enforces the "separation of church and state. Some governmental activity related to religion has been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. For example, providing bus transportation for parochial school students and the enforcement of "blue laws" is not prohibited. The free exercise clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a persons practice of their religion.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
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posted on July 11, 2004 05:32:34 PM new
You've taken the first step logansdad... you have visited that NARTH site... I do like how you have remembered it...
But that is not the only one and I am sure that once you begin therapy, your unhappiness at choosing to be homosexual will go away...
posted on July 11, 2004 05:49:37 PM new
Sure are logansdad... sure you are..
NARTH stands for the National Association for Research and Threrapy of Homosexcuality...
Nice thought though, but fear plays not part in it.. you in fact show more fear than I ever have... I have given you resources to help you correct your wrong think choice, but you seem to be afraid to try?
Seems to me that those crying happy the loudest are the ones least happy...
posted on July 11, 2004 05:53:36 PM new
Twelve says, "your unhappiness at choosing to be homosexual will go away..."
Logansdad, let's take a poll(maybe start another thread) and see who is judged happier.....you or Twelve??????????
Twelve to me sounds bitter, nasty, envious, shriveled, lonely, stupid, hate-filled, soul-less and definitely the unhappiest person I know.
You on the other hand sound happy,well-adjusted, intelligent, positive, and have a big heart.
posted on July 11, 2004 05:54:27 PM new
Maybe logansdad's group of choice is NAMBLA, 12?
LOLOL
In Christ,
Rick
Genesis 1:1
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on July 11, 2004 09:24:45 PM new
Twelve, you call Bigpeepa's post tactless and YOU call some one a pedophile because they're gay?
You are one sick and extremely stupid creep!
Logansdad please don't lower your self by addressing that post....anyone with at least an IQ in double digits knows that's ridiculous...and twelve's IQ is a single digit.
[ edited by crowfarm on Jul 11, 2004 09:28 PM ]
posted on July 11, 2004 09:33:51 PM new
Christian sh!thead said: Maybe logansdad's group of choice is NAMBLA, 12?
LOLOL
In Christ,
Rick
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You dirty rotten sick pr!ck...you come in here and preach your holier than thou religious doctrine... all in the name of JESUS.. and then turn around and accuse someone of being a pedophile...
I hope your Jesus kicks your idiot ass up around your shoulders.. It is people like you who turn others away from religion..
You make me sick..
posted on July 11, 2004 09:40:09 PM new
WOW that was an education... NAMBLA never had heard of it before... but Hey maybe that is why logansDAD is so happy being a homosexual...
Thanks for playing maggienuthins... you added just wonderful insight to this thread...
But you thought it was funny to call me queer... and your sarcastic attempt at an apology was wasted on me...
Was that secret homosexual organization that you are mad cc let the cat out of the bag?
Well at least you can't claim to be a member maggienuthins... LOL
posted on July 11, 2004 09:42:09 PM new
Why Maggie, what is wrong with NAMBLA? The men are homosexual, and all they want are younger males. If homosexual marriage goes through, you can be sure they they will petition for the same "right" as other homosexuals have. If my post makes you sick, oh well: this is what will come, Maggie. The homosexual movement will not be satisfied until ALL barriers to marriage are broken: until the basis of the family is destroyed. So you can sit there in your own little world and es pout your style of truth, while the real truth is right in front of your face.
In Christ,
Rick
John 3:16
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on July 11, 2004 09:43:49 PM new
And logan, God did not make you homosexual, for some odd reason that maybe you do not fully understand, you choose it. Just like I choose to be completely hetrosexual.
In Christ,
Rick
Luke 12:48
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on July 11, 2004 09:50:20 PM new
How does being gay and breaking the law become one and the same? How can you talk about people who are pedophiles, murderers, etc., in the same breath as homosexuals and expect to have a decent discussion?
posted on July 11, 2004 09:53:09 PM new
Here is an article on the homosexuality "gene"
http://www.family.org/fofmag/pp/a0024032.cfm
and here is an excerpt:
What can we conclude about the biology of homosexuality? Consider a comprehensive review article, “Human Sexual Orientation: The Biological Theories Reappraised,” written by William Byne and Bruce Parsons from Columbia University in 1993.
The article reviews 135 research studies, prior reviews, academic summaries, books, and chapters of books—in essence the entire literature on homosexuality, of which only a small portion is actual research. The abstract summarized in its findings that there is no evidence at present to substantiate that biological factors are the primary basis for sexual orientation.
Whatever genetic contribution to homosexuality exists, it probably contributes not to homosexuality per se, but rather to some other trait that makes the homosexual “option” more readily available to some than others.
Most studies to date have many flaws. Some are caused by the intrusion of political agendas into what should be objective research, and some are due to the complex nature of the subject. These flaws must temper any conclusions we make. It is premature, and will almost certainly prove to be incorrect, to state that homosexuality is genetic.
In Christ,
Rick
Romans 8:5
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on July 11, 2004 09:57:22 PM new
I take it back.. you are a worthless piece of sh!t too Twelve. I gave you the benefit of doubt.. and apologized to you for calling you a name.. what was I thinking! You call everyone on this board vile names and like Crow said you are indeed a very sick puppy.
I think most of the posters here know you for what you are .. just a coward who will say anything to incite an argument.. You never make on bit of sense.. You must be one ugly little freak with a teeny tiny little pecker.. to be so damn bitter.. You have shown your ass tonight little girl..
From now on you are Weenie Boy..
And as far as you.. CC.. keep one thing in mind ...God didn't come down to earth and make you His spokesperson.. Stop trying to play God.. I am soooo ashamed of you.. You are lucky God doesn't strike you dead for your judging ways.. You stink of KKK.
posted on July 11, 2004 10:00:14 PM new
I never spoke of murderers, KD: i am speaking of the direction this will go if homosexual "marriages" are allowed. 12 used the analogy to show how some people may be more prone to some actions: homosexuality and murder included. But I have never said homosexuality was akin to murder.
I firmly believe that a practicing homosexual can change back to a heterosexual: I have seen it happen. One pastor at my church had been a closet homosexual for 25 years: he went to counseling and discovered what started him on the path he decided to follow. He has been heterosexual for 30 years now, was married (his wife died of cancer 7 years ago), and works closely with those in the homosexual community.
It is a choice.
In Christ,
Rick
2Tim 2:2
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
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